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July 17, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
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Isn't it they are the one who should be responsible with their own mistake?

We can help them, YES, but it is not that we should always remind them about those scammers. They should know how to determine the legit post and a scam post.
I definitely don't disagree.

The OP don't totally laugh at them, maybe he just want to address those victims to become more mindful about the social media platforms that they are using, specially Twitter. 
Maybe you probably missed the point that OP literally said that scam victims:

  • "should be ridiculed and laughed at"
  • "should not receive sympathy because they are pathetic and gullible"

Tell you what. The main point here is yes, they're totally naive to fall for such obvious scams. But calling them names and laughing at them will help no one.

This isn't a problem, as long as you know how to comprehend a topic even if it is in a long paragraph form without spaces, still it is full of ideas. 
Never said that it was nonsense. It's just bad writing.

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July 17, 2020, 06:33:45 PM
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When there is a sentence of "send 1000$, and I will double it", people must stay away from that because that is not true and that will get your money without giving it back to you. But as always, many people will feel greed to see the amount, and it seems, the word "I will double it" attract them to send the money to the scammers. That is an old scam that still works today, and many people still have the interest to try it, whether it's in the online world or the offline world. Please don't send anything. Otherwise, you will get a scam from them.
They don't directly said that "I will double it" neither they use to specify the amount. They ask people to send any amount and they will return them double of that as a giveaway to their fan. They used to specify time limit as well so that the people who is going to fall in their trap does have less time to verify that the offer is legit or not. An example

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If scammer are sending message by hacking the famous twitter handle then some people will definitely going to fall in the trap. I am amazed while checking the hacked twitter handle lists https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/twitter-accounts-of-apple-musk-gates-others-hit-in-major-hack/articleshow/76990380.cms

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July 17, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
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I've always wondered what is the type of people,who fall into such stupid scams.
I have come to the conclusion that 90% of them aren't dumb.They are just desperate.I guy that is financially desperate isn't dumb,he just isn't thinking rationally.He wants money NOW and FAST.It doesn't matter how he might "get" the money.
There is a certain percentage of  dumb and uneducated people,who are falling for those scams out of ignorance,which is sad,but laughing and ridiculing a person,that lost his/her savings is just cruel.

It's not surprising that so many people fall for such scams. They are not dumb, you are right, but they are very naive and completely unaware of possible threaths in cyberspace. Lack of awareness and knowledge, that is my opinion. Unfortunately, it's still very easy for scamers to pull money out of people, they don't need to try very hard. Digital literacy is still very low and as long as we don't change that we will have such scam victims.

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July 17, 2020, 08:34:19 PM
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Oldest and most obvious scam but still being use and people are still falling for it.
I just don't get it why people still fall for such obvious trick just think about it how could they possibly make it happen when it is all about business.
I don't know if they are getting clever or people are being fooled by their own greed they are turning blindly on the fact that it is impossible to really happen.
Joining such investment are only tolerating this kind of schemes this is why they are still around till this day.

There is probably a small percentage of beginners or newbies that are going to fall to these scams.

If we think about it, it is really obvious that we all been there and it is really convincing especially when we are talking about a big amount of profit on websites, most of the newbies are still going to fall to it every time.

We cannot really give our experience to all of the new users or people who are just getting started in cryptocurrency.
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July 17, 2020, 08:37:42 PM
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Let be kind to ourselves dude, this is not funny comedy because we are talking about money and not just fiction. Ridicule the victims shouldn't be encourage, the whole thing about this hack was from the tweeter social media, they should be held responsible for any lose during the raid by the scammers.

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July 17, 2020, 09:40:06 PM
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Don't laugh at them OP, you never know when the tables will turn and you'll be the one who loses money.

I agree that doublers are among the dumbest scams right after the nigerian prince but there's a lot of older people out there who are new to cryptocurrencies and don't spend all day in the Internet like some of us here. Let's hope the first time they're scammed they'll lose very little and treat it like a valuable lesson because they will get scammed at some point and lose money.
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July 17, 2020, 10:24:18 PM
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I've always wondered what is the type of people,who fall into such stupid scams.
I have come to the conclusion that 90% of them aren't dumb.They are just desperate.I guy that is financially desperate isn't dumb,he just isn't thinking rationally.He wants money NOW and FAST.It doesn't matter how he might "get" the money.
There is a certain percentage of  dumb and uneducated people,who are falling for those scams out of ignorance,which is sad,but laughing and ridiculing a person,that lost his/her savings is just cruel.

It's not surprising that so many people fall for such scams. They are not dumb, you are right, but they are very naive and completely unaware of possible threaths in cyberspace. Lack of awareness and knowledge, that is my opinion. Unfortunately, it's still very easy for scamers to pull money out of people, they don't need to try very hard. Digital literacy is still very low and as long as we don't change that we will have such scam victims.

Technology illiteracy will surely matter even if we are already on the high-tech era, there  are still people who arent aware on  how scam works online even it is already  an obvious one but they do still
proceed without any caution or thinking up first but if we do really think up that clearly and using up our common sense then you will surely have the glimpse on how the hell these people do give out
2x return of your money in an instant? with that kind of question in mind will surely give out the idea that you might be dealing up with a fraud.No matter on how known those personalities are and on the
current twitter hack, yes its really an effective one which had been used by hackers since they do know that there are really people who do really support nor easily believe when popular  people do claim of.

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July 17, 2020, 10:31:41 PM
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In part I do agree with you... people that fall for this kind of cheap trick are too blinded by greed to even think about what they are doing... this is a children trick... but I also do not see how you can conclude that these are all well-established greedy people, maybe there are also innocents in the mist and this is why we should not laugh at others disgrace

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July 17, 2020, 10:57:02 PM
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I really think it was ridiculous and laughing them because they are a victim of a scam.
I know they are tempted by these fake promises (double your money) and not even learn a lesson but we should have to laugh at them? It should be a sort of sympathy about their losses because we are not perfect, we all can commit mistakes and that is how they got.

They are really innocent about this and that they need advice for them to know that they are wrong and meant not to happen again. That is what greediness results, it should have to change otherwise, they live that way forever.
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July 17, 2020, 11:13:24 PM
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In part I do agree with you... people that fall for this kind of cheap trick are too blinded by greed to even think about what they are doing... this is a children trick... but I also do not see how you can conclude that these are all well-established greedy people, maybe there are also innocents in the mist and this is why we should not laugh at others disgrace
Soklmetimes it coild also be a desperate move for them to fall for this trap. This because most of us want to try our luck and that even compromising the safety of our money when it comes to investment. There are many who would like to try their luck just in case earning fast and then pulling out usually the plan. However, it seems tha really greed work and instead of some pulling out after earning, some had doubled instead for a faster earning to which then if not lucjy enough investment comprmise and organizers rum away with money. So scammers too were fast in running away with the money. LOL
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July 18, 2020, 04:30:12 AM
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In my opinion all can be victims of scams, usually people who do not think first before acting and people who want to make money
in an instant. What is surprisingly typical is that there are many around us, so scammers will do everything they can to target people
like that. So don't be easily attracted to offers that are to be good to be true, we must be able to think smart and realistic.

Not everyone actually can be a victim of scam, if you know how to think for yourself and you are knowledgable about scams then the chances are likely low that you will get scammed, always remember to not take everything at face value in the Internet unless you really know who you are talking to in real life that is, we should not forget that these scammers are desperate too.

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July 18, 2020, 06:50:49 AM
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If this should have happened for the first time ever or after many years or so then one could you know just think once if this is true or not. But this is nothing new in crypto currency and people are now much self-aware due to social media than ever before. But still if people falling in such double scheme needs to be thought. Because it is painful seeing people losing their money this way.
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July 18, 2020, 07:04:42 AM
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Don't laugh at them OP, you never know when the tables will turn and you'll be the one who loses money.

I agree that doublers are among the dumbest scams right after the nigerian prince but there's a lot of older people out there who are new to cryptocurrencies and don't spend all day in the Internet like some of us here. Let's hope the first time they're scammed they'll lose very little and treat it like a valuable lesson because they will get scammed at some point and lose money.
I am not a hypocrite, if I ever get myself become a victim of any of these scams then I will gladly accept getting my ass handed to me, I know that the words I used were harsh but in this day and age, we tolerate naivete because we are not the one affected, we see this daily but let it slide because we see it as not our problem, if my words hurt these naive fools that have fallen for these scams then so be it but I also hope that itt will resonate a lesson. Again, I do not excuse myself as someone righteous, I have tolerated it too but not anymore.

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July 18, 2020, 07:13:54 AM
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Oldest and most obvious scam but still being use and people are still falling for it.
I just don't get it why people still fall for such obvious trick just think about it how could they possibly make it happen when it is all about business.
I don't know if they are getting clever or people are being fooled by their own greed they are turning blindly on the fact that it is impossible to really happen.
Joining such investment are only tolerating this kind of schemes this is why they are still around till this day.

There is probably a small percentage of beginners or newbies that are going to fall to these scams.

If we think about it, it is really obvious that we all been there and it is really convincing especially when we are talking about a big amount of profit on websites, most of the newbies are still going to fall to it every time.

We cannot really give our experience to all of the new users or people who are just getting started in cryptocurrency.

For the record, this is a new type of scam although they used the doubler format. They are using a verified account of a famous company/people. The chance that there account will be compromise is very low because there account security is stronger than the normal twitter account.

 Imagine this, A well known philanthropist will offer this kind of giveaway while using there own verified account. There will be some people will surely try it because they know that the person who post it was trusted person. You can't determine whether the account was compromised easily.

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I have been a victim of several scams in the past and I can tell you that you should burn your fingers several times, before you start questioning "easy" money. A lot of these scams are very sophisticated and cunning and even the most intelligent person can fall for these scams.

The long cons are the most difficult to spot, because they draw you in with regular "rewards" or payouts and just when you feel comfortable and when they gained your trust, they do a 360 and they are gone with your money.  Angry

There are a lot of desperate people out there, so let's not judge them... right.

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I have been a victim of several scams in the past and I can tell you that you should burn your fingers several times, before you start questioning "easy" money. A lot of these scams are very sophisticated and cunning and even the most intelligent person can fall for these scams.

The long cons are the most difficult to spot, because they draw you in with regular "rewards" or payouts and just when you feel comfortable and when they gained your trust, they do a 360 and they are gone with your money.  Angry

There are a lot of desperate people out there, so let's not judge them... right.
I think you meant 180 because if not then they will come back at you (figuratively). These cons you are saying sure are elaborate but they need to have a charismatic personality for their cons to work against these smart people, sadly the scam that I posted is about the dumbest and oldest trick in the book.

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July 18, 2020, 09:14:44 AM
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Recently, twitter accounts of famous people have been hacked and they all posted something in the line "send 1000$ and I will double it". This is the oldest trick in the scammers bible, and wouldn't you know it people fall for it. Yes the hacks should be condemned and the hackers should be apprehended because they are scamming innocent people, before we all burn these hackers in stakes we also should address the fact that these so called innocents are still falling to these thing. In my opinion these people that got their money scammed shouldn't receive any help because they are too blinded by the riches the scammers promised them, I have seen a lot of scams and this victims of bitcoin doubling scam should be ridiculed and laughed at because they have fallen for these, I am standing by that opinion because most of these victims are functioning members of the society, they are not your run of the mill old people getting scammed by tech support scammers, these so called innocent victims are not senile, so in my opinion they should not receive sympathy because they are pathetic and gullible, these makes the work of people who are trying to educate people about scams less effective because no matter how much effort they put in, these pathetic gullible losers still fall for it. This is just a rant about the recent twitter doubling scam, I was watching Crit1kal and as he continue to talk about these I felt a seething rage not for the scammer but for the victims because these is the oldest trick in the book. Feel free to disagree with me but I will stand with my opinion, can't help but to laugh at these victims falling for that. These fiasco should also be a lesson to not take things on the Internet at face value, if you are a high-functioning member of the society then ask yourself why would they give me these x amount of bitcoin/money and why should I send a bitcoin/money first?

Edit: Typo

I would like to say that no matter what it wasn't justifiable in any way , these people might be gullible , might be going through a tough time, might have lost their jobs , might have wanted to get rich fast who know ? At the end of the day it's wrong to actually take any step that would cause unnecessary harm to someone.
Plus I do think Only people who don't have much money did fall the victims since people who are rich and accomplished they don't need to start something like this . This scam was already going on for quite some time. When Elon Musk did post people should have found out about it sooner , I do think next time something like that happens we have to actually share it with more people so that they can understand that it's not a true statement and such , I really feel sorry for the people who did got scammed but :

1. Let's share more about this so that we can spread the information, to educate others about the ways scammers can use you

2. Remember that it wasn't the fault of Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ! It was the fault of Twitter ! They should have spent all that money on being extra secure

3. I sincerely hope that government and Twitter hires cryptocurrencies specialists and track the person down somehow if possible.

4. I do think that Twitter should pay some amount to these people if they can .

Let us remember that There is nothing of the sort by the name *Easy money*

{ This scam reminds me of a movie I watched as a kid , same plot ! Just added cryptocurrencies in , maybe they were inspired by that movie }
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July 18, 2020, 09:21:28 AM
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Most people who got scammed are the newcomers. If you're an oldies in this industry and got scammed by that schemed then you're greedy and noob.
The scheme sounds suspicious even if it is from the famous people. They should have done some research before putting their money into something like this.
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July 18, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
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~snip~
I am not a hypocrite, if I ever get myself become a victim of any of these scams then I will gladly accept getting my ass handed to me, I know that the words I used were harsh but in this day and age, we tolerate naivete because we are not the one affected, we see this daily but let it slide because we see it as not our problem, if my words hurt these naive fools that have fallen for these scams then so be it but I also hope that itt will resonate a lesson. Again, I do not excuse myself as someone righteous, I have tolerated it too but not anymore.

That's their money and their loss anyway, you shouldn't get easily carried away by the situation and control your choices of words.
These money doubler scam technique maybe old, but maybe Bitcoin sounds new to them. Some might have heard about it before which I'm pretty sure they heard about the usual get rich quick narrative about cryptocurrency. So, then these high profiled accounts in Twitter tweet's about doubling their money.
Not everyone has the capability of perceiving and are sensitive about suspicious activities going on in the social media or even in the real world.
Let them learn their lesson from what have happened, calling them fools doesn't make any difference, instead it'll add up to the burden of lossing a money.

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July 18, 2020, 09:38:23 AM
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They have their faults for easily believing in what they saw on the internet, and they are also responsible for it but instead of blaming and laughing at them, why not teach them and give awareness to those who don't have an idea about these scams.

We also make mistakes with our choices but it does not mean that we are not deserving of sympathy and help from others. They can learn from this experience not to trust and believe in everything they see online. If they get scammed again, it's because of greed so they should be responsible. But let's not judge these victims for believing and falling in this old trick scam because we don't have the same level of knowledge and awareness in everything.
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