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July 18, 2020, 04:19:13 PM |
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Admin/mods will deny any accusation thrown at them about a cheating system and mock/ridicule you on public chat. Any proof you send them will be refused and they will simply state we couldn't find this in your bet history and it was doctored. Please see the below screenshot for proof I'm not lying to you. There is no way this could have happened unless there was a glitch in the system; thank god it was only play money. Sadly a friend of mine lost 8000+ doge on a 84 loss streak using 2x, and of course will never see a refund. https://i.imgur.com/b9FeS2I.jpgThey will also ban you for disrupting the chat and throwing around "baseless" accusations, and refuse to pay your remaining balance if you happen to have any.
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July 18, 2020, 04:48:05 PM |
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It looks like they have a provably fair section. Can you get some of those bets, their details, and put it through a check? This skepticism is because recently, a lot of "loss streak" threads have started popping up and we want to make sure that you are making a genuine scam accusation rather than a typical gambling loss ragepost. Surely this is not the case, right? This appears to be the code for dice: $client_seed = "your_client_seed"; $server_seed = "your_server_seed";
$result_seed = hash_hmac('sha512', $server_seed, $client_seed); $result_number = hexdec(substr($result_seed,0,10)); $lucky_number = $result_number % 10001;
echo $lucky_number;
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wixi_scam (OP)
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July 18, 2020, 04:50:53 PM |
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It looks like they have a provably fair section. Can you get some of those bets, their details, and put it through a check? This skepticism is because recently, a lot of "loss streak" threads have started popping up and we want to make sure that you are making a genuine scam accusation rather than a typical gambling loss ragepost.
Surely this is not the case, right?
https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/2020/03/12/wixiplay-provably-unfair-gambling-practices-at-anonymous-online-casino/ and plenty of other sites have proven some casinos can manipulate "randomness". However, this takes unfair to a whole new level.
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July 18, 2020, 04:56:38 PM |
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It's looking extremely similar to the case of 999Dice, if you are at all familiar with that ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0). I will do some investigating on the site itself and see if I can catch any seed discrepancies. Shouldn't take long if they're doing it this often.
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July 18, 2020, 06:55:14 PM Last edit: July 18, 2020, 07:08:45 PM by Aamir511 |
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Admin/mods will deny any accusation thrown at them about a cheating system and mock/ridicule you on public chat. Any proof you send them will be refused and they will simply state we couldn't find this in your bet history and it was doctored. Please see the below screenshot for proof I'm not lying to you. There is no way this could have happened unless there was a glitch in the system; thank god it was only play money. Sadly a friend of mine lost 8000+ doge on a 84 loss streak using 2x, and of course will never see a refund. https://i.imgur.com/b9FeS2I.jpgThey will also ban you for disrupting the chat and throwing around "baseless" accusations, and refuse to pay your remaining balance if you happen to have any. according to your screenshot if you didn't win a single bet so your wager and negative profit should be same ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) this screenshot is not acceptable coz its fake ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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July 18, 2020, 08:39:57 PM |
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according to your screenshot if you didn't win a single bet so your wager and negative profit should be same ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) this screenshot is not acceptable coz its fake ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) The site is unfair, though. The constant changing of server seeds means that despite getting nonces and a hashed seed every time, you cannot be sure of anything when it comes to the legitimacy of your bet. You do not know if the wager that you placed was in a fair state or not and under those circumstances, it may as well be a lost bet. I don't know what to say about the discrepancy in the screenshot, but I do know that Wixiplay should be avoided despite any skepticism with the picture.
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July 19, 2020, 01:25:37 PM |
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Admin/mods will deny any accusation thrown at them about a cheating system and mock/ridicule you on public chat. Any proof you send them will be refused and they will simply state we couldn't find this in your bet history and it was doctored. Please see the below screenshot for proof I'm not lying to you. There is no way this could have happened unless there was a glitch in the system; thank god it was only play money. Sadly a friend of mine lost 8000+ doge on a 84 loss streak using 2x, and of course will never see a refund. https://i.imgur.com/b9FeS2I.jpgThey will also ban you for disrupting the chat and throwing around "baseless" accusations, and refuse to pay your remaining balance if you happen to have any. according to your screenshot if you didn't win a single bet so your wager and negative profit should be same ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) this screenshot is not acceptable coz its fake ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) That is a logical assumption and is correct at a non-glitchy casino, however I just imputed the below parameters to prove a point. Notice your theory is disproven. https://i.imgur.com/ws3fyUS.png
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July 19, 2020, 04:31:33 PM |
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Admin/mods will deny any accusation thrown at them about a cheating system and mock/ridicule you on public chat. Any proof you send them will be refused and they will simply state we couldn't find this in your bet history and it was doctored. Please see the below screenshot for proof I'm not lying to you. There is no way this could have happened unless there was a glitch in the system; thank god it was only play money. Sadly a friend of mine lost 8000+ doge on a 84 loss streak using 2x, and of course will never see a refund. https://i.imgur.com/b9FeS2I.jpgThey will also ban you for disrupting the chat and throwing around "baseless" accusations, and refuse to pay your remaining balance if you happen to have any. NEW PROVABLY FAIR SYSTEM We just updated our provably fair system. The server seed does not change anymore, it will change only if you press the "Change Pair" button. This provably fair system was inspired from primedice. Check it out: https://wixiplay.io/dice
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July 19, 2020, 06:27:06 PM |
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-snip- ... what? You are still changing the server seed without having the player knowing the result. If this is the case, then there is still no affirmation that a player is going to get a pairing that is as fair as possible. One could implement the nonce-client-server seed system but if they're not going to use it properly, then they might as well not use it at all.
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July 19, 2020, 09:37:28 PM |
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-snip- ... what? You are still changing the server seed without having the player knowing the result. If this is the case, then there is still no affirmation that a player is going to get a pairing that is as fair as possible. One could implement the nonce-client-server seed system but if they're not going to use it properly, then they might as well not use it at all. How could we do that? The server seed does not change anymore, if you want to verify it https://www.diceroll.xyz/wixiplay
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July 20, 2020, 04:27:46 AM |
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Wrong. The server seed changes upon a client seed change. This is not provably fair. If I were to generate a new server seed upon knowing your client seed, there would be at least one corresponding pair ( even with nonces) that can be created to manipulate the bets in some way. If a user is betting in a predictable fashion, this can be abused. Suppose the probability of winning is never above 50%. Then, bets that have a result around 5000 create a much higher house edge than typical random generation. You need to show the next server seed hash.
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July 20, 2020, 06:27:56 AM |
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Seems you are trying to make them scam, but I got the original screenshot https://imgur.com/eaiDFUVYou can check the profit and the wager total bet If you can edit the image you can, good try to edit but you leave the original screenshot in telegram group ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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July 20, 2020, 12:46:12 PM |
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This 'original screenshot' still doesn't make any sense... where are you all getting these from? How is it possible to get any profit at all if the win count is at 0?
Regardless, it has moved past the whole image situation. The system is not provably fair: whether the screenshot has been modified or not does not change that fact.
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July 20, 2020, 07:59:14 PM |
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This 'original screenshot' still doesn't make any sense... where are you all getting these from? How is it possible to get any profit at all if the win count is at 0?
Regardless, it has moved past the whole image situation. The system is not provably fair: whether the screenshot has been modified or not does not change that fact. look at his screenshot and mine too, so I have mentioned that he uploaded in the telegram group if he does not win a single bet where is profit come from? and how is that possible to 1.50x in zero wins with 463 bets rolls? he trying to edit but every human can make mistakes, Whenever you saying the same words The system in not provable fair: whether If you can prove and have clear evidence, then you need to post it all here if you want to make proper scam accusations. according to your screenshot if you didn't win a single bet so your wager and negative profit should be same ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) this screenshot is not acceptable coz its fake ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Yes, as Aamir511 says the screenshot didn't win a single bet so why not match with negative profit with wager??
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July 20, 2020, 08:03:49 PM |
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Whenever you saying the same words The system in not provable fair: whether If you can prove and have clear evidence, then you need to post it all here if you want to make proper scam accusations. It doesn't matter if the screenshot is real or fake because the topic has moved since this point. If you want more information from elsewhere, go check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261196.0
If you generate the server seed after I send my desired client seed, then it allows you the opportunity to change the results to better favor you, even if you have a nonce system. Because the space of hashes in their process is far greater than the space of results (modulo 10000) you can have many, many series of results that make it so that a player is not getting optimal fairness, especially if one determines the betting strategy/patterns that a player adopts.
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July 21, 2020, 07:45:40 AM |
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Whenever you saying the same words The system in not provable fair: whether If you can prove and have clear evidence, then you need to post it all here if you want to make proper scam accusations. It doesn't matter if the screenshot is real or fake because the topic has moved since this point. If you want more information from elsewhere, go check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5261196.0
If you generate the server seed after I send my desired client seed, then it allows you the opportunity to change the results to better favor you, even if you have a nonce system. Because the space of hashes in their process is far greater than the space of results (modulo 10000) you can have many, many series of results that make it so that a player is not getting optimal fairness, especially if one determines the betting strategy/patterns that a player adopts. I think you should start learning about provably fair.
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July 21, 2020, 12:53:56 PM |
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I think you should start learning about provably fair. Agreed: you should educate yourself on fairness and exploitation thereof.
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July 22, 2020, 10:44:09 PM |
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UPDATE ON THE PROVABLY FAIR SYSTEM We updated the new provably fair system, now you can see the next server seed (hashed) .
Check it out: https://wixiplay.io
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