Natural corona virus immunity sky rockets.

[Jet Cash]

The numbers of confirmed cases of the corona virus are sky rocketing around the world, and the count of "cured" cases is over 50% of the infections. Given that there is a delay of many days between the "cure" and the reported infection, the real percentage must be much higher, probably over 70%. If you factor in the number of people who were infected, but didn't have any real symptoms before they were "cured". Then the real figure could well be over the 85% that were predicted to be able to overcome the virus via their own immune system. None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.

[optimisticcm]

I think world is moving towards herd immunity as virus has infected almost the majority of people by now it is just that most of the people were asymptomatic and some got mild sick while percentage of serious or hospitalized people is very very small so untill this immunity maintains we are safe but we do not know for how long.

[Upgrade00]

There's the issue of disappearing immunity. I read an article recently about the possibility of someone contacting covid-19 twice while this is not very popular and majority of people would develop antibodies to the virus, there are still quite a number of unknowns about how the patient's body responds after recovery, some reports also suggests that the antibodies developed by asymptomatic patients wanes after a while and hence they become susceptible to another infection.
The research on the virus is limited and no conclusions can be drawn as yet.

[KingScorpio]

The numbers of confirmed cases of the corona virus are sky rocketing around the world, and the count of "cured" cases is over 50% of the infections. Given that there is a delay of many days between the "cure" and the reported infection, the real percentage must be much higher, probably over 70%. If you factor in the number of people who were infected, but didn't have any real symptoms before they were "cured". Then the real figure could well be over the 85% that were predicted to be able to overcome the virus via their own immune system. None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.

and what if the virus mutates?

[CryptocurencyKing]

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.

Apparently, such is the nature of disasters, even when it is courses by nature itself. Though, the real source of this pandemic covid19 is still unknown, it still carries the both side to a coin. The side that brings suffering and the side that enrich the industrious and the authorities. At least, a new product is now rampant and common in the market (the face mask) amongst others, surgical gloves, hand sanitizers and others.
Again some figure head of authorities and unions/bodies still would instigate a plot to make the most and I don't blame them for is the nature of disasters. Where it becomes apparently important is what counts and where.
In this case, what counts is the people, the masses that suffers from this pandemic. We have to face this challenge before us as  individuals because, despite how careful we could be and immune some of us are, their is a chance of being cought up in this complications. After all, all that is to be know about the virus is not yet known.
Stay safe!

[CryptocurencyKing]

The numbers of confirmed cases of the corona virus are sky rocketing around the world, and the count of "cured" cases is over 50% of the infections. Given that there is a delay of many days between the "cure" and the reported infection, the real percentage must be much higher, probably over 70%. If you factor in the number of people who were infected, but didn't have any real symptoms before they were "cured". Then the real figure could well be over the 85% that were predicted to be able to overcome the virus via their own immune system. None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.

and what if the virus mutates?

Yeah! Their is the risk of mutation and a greater chance at that. We already have 6 strands of it and judging from the behaviour of how microbes reproduce copies of themselves in minutes or even seconds, the virus can mutate and what worked before might not work now...

[franky1]

gotta laugh at this topic

jetcash. if you want to be ignorant and wanna just go to morrisons/mcdonalds cafe's to use your internet fine.
if you done some real math. you would see that there are risks


the reality is that out of ~100 people
50 if they stay at safe distance to low dose viral load will have no symptoms
30 will have mild symptoms(just a cough and slightly warm, nothing too bad)
10 will have more acute symptoms(restless night and coughing/sweating extremes)
10 will need hospital care

the issue is if in a population of say 100k town. they will only have 200 special care beds (0.2% average)
so if there are over 1000 people a week. meaning 100 a week needing hospital beds for 2 weeks. (200)
thats just too much for hospitals to handle

yes if people were to group together and lick each others faces and dryhump and really inhale high viral loads from each other
it would be more like
10 no symptoms
30 mild
40 acute
20 hospital
meaning only 500 a week would become a problem due to it translating to the 100 in hospital

so how about offering advice for people to learn personal space respect.

another way to view it is
imagine streets are filled with graffiti artists with spray paints
if you stand right infront of them only a metre away your at high risk of getting face covered in paint.
but if you stand at 2 metres away less paint can get on you.
wear a n95mask and you should be good. wear a cloth mask. we better then nothing but expect to get some paint

its called common sense.

[Gyfts]

and what if the virus mutates?

The entire family of coronaviruses doesn't have too high of a mutation rate, apparently. The literature is limited but the specific strain for COVID-19 has multiple mechanisms to check replicated RNA so it's pretty accurate when it multiplies.

[JohnBitCo]

and what if the virus mutates?

The entire family of coronaviruses doesn't have too high of a mutation rate, apparently. The literature is limited but the specific strain for COVID-19 has multiple mechanisms to check replicated RNA so it's pretty accurate when it multiplies.

People are focusing on precautionary measures on how to avoid the covid-19 but they don't focus on developing a strong immunity system. If you develop are strong immunity, the virus cannot harm you. We don't need a vaccine or other drugs rather get your daily vitamins intake increase and adopt healthy foods.

[Barnabe]

The numbers of confirmed cases of the corona virus are sky rocketing around the world, and the count of "cured" cases is over 50% of the infections. Given that there is a delay of many days between the "cure" and the reported infection, the real percentage must be much higher, probably over 70%. If you factor in the number of people who were infected, but didn't have any real symptoms before they were "cured". Then the real figure could well be over the 85% that were predicted to be able to overcome the virus via their own immune system. None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.

Do you have any source for this ?

[franky1]

even people with strong immune systems and people that know about health still suffer
take the doctors in the ICU. its their speciality they know about infections they know about immunity. but they get sick too

the reason is not that a good immunity will make you immortal. because when it comes to new viruses that are having their first season where you have not had it before you have no blueprints of the antibody inside you. your just playing a game of 'pot luck' that your body can adapt and find a corresponding random defender to block/fight an attacker

its about viral load too. if your a person inhaling 500m particles per breath for a long time vs someone only inhaling 3 million so there is less virus for your body to battle

think about simple math
if your playing dogeball would you prefer to be hit by 50 balls up close or stay at a distance so you can dodge 47 of them and only get hit by 3

its basic math
if it takes you 1 second to react to hit a ball you cant dodge. would you want to be a metre from the thrower meaning it gets to you in 0.2seconds meaning you cant react fast enough so you get hit hard by all 50 balls.
or
stand metres away giving you more time to react and hit the 3 balls you cant dodge

trying to pretend that being an athlete that has quick reflexes will make you immortal still means you end up getting hit by 50 balls and looking like a fool while getting hurt and wondering why hurt. and just trying to hide the pain and pretend it aint happening..
.. or you can simply just keep your distance and be aware of your surroundings for a much simpler solution

dont 'be a man' getting hurt and trying to be macho pretending it dont hurt
instead be smart and just avoid getting hit so much


remember its a new virus your body doesnt have the blueprints of a antibody built in yet. so even a strong immune system wont be proactive to defend you.. but will possibly be quick reactively to fight it once it has learned the blueprint antibody that works

EG if you got a viral load that overwhelms you
bad immunity = 3-4 weeks in hospital
good immunity = 1-2 weeks in hospital

try to think about math and science.. and not hope and wishes

[BIT-BENDER]

and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

The desperation is so bad - I don't know what the media are playing at- that the new shift is on animals testing positive to the Corona virus covid-19. The news is moving from one animal to another and in numbers, -my wonder-
+Are they just testing animals now -what did they use as test animals for the possible vaccine-
+ Animal to human transmission should have been checked long ago.
+ Will the virus be more severe, some disease that enters an animal, can transform -develop- and the animal serve as a temporary host for that disease and when it passed to humans it's more vigorous.

The vaccine to the covid-19 virus is not coming, people immunity are fighting it, and should I say adapting -the human system can develop cells or cells can specialize to fight a known invaders-. Good a thing the virus has made people understand essential health and healthy living. I don't know the trick the pharmacy companies would have up their sleeves?

[Jet Cash]

even people with strong immune systems and people that know about health still suffer
take the doctors in the ICU. its their speciality they know about infections they know about immunity. but they get sick too

I have commented several times that health care worked can be exposed to viral overloads, and this is a good reason for them to take protective measures. I have also pointed out that many doctors seem to believe in the propaganda pushed on them by the Pharma industry, and this weakens their immunity. Dr John Campbell is one example. He is pro vaccination, statins and other medication, and he reports that he often suffers from viral infections. In fact he has recently published a video which I found interesting, and it discusses memory T-cells, and on reflection, it seems to validate many of my opinions, but he  has given the results a spin that is contrarian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLrjJ90rQg

Another problem with care worker stats is that many of them come from the BAME community, and/or smoke and are obese. You can verify this by observation, and you don't need manipulated stats. There is also a high probability that they have regular vaccination, and are frequent users of pharmaceuticals - all of these factors are know to disrupt the immune system, and leave people vulnerable.

My main point is that the vast majority of the population have a strong immunity to virus that has been given to them by nature. No man made drugs or vaccines have any chance of improving on this. Now id the time when immunity is at its strongest, so lets do all we can to let as many people as possible gain natural immunity, and then we can get on with life and try to handle the real economic problems that beset the world.

The increase in viral load is also an argument against the wearing of mass produced face masks.

[dkbit98]

None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

I agree with you on this and pharmaceutical & media mafia is getting desperate, but don't worry about them as I am sure we are going to see new even more dangerous virus soon.
They invested a lot of money and they wanted to make quick profit.
It would also be good if everyone checks stats and number of deaths each month from all causes in your country, and do that for previous ten years.
Eye opening experience.

[franky1]

Another problem with care worker stats is that many of them come from the BAME community,

you might want to check on that
when you realise a large majority of the 79% general white NHS staff are not patient facing. but office/admin/consultants/lab techs

and if you instead looked at the reports of the actual patient facing staff diversity
you will start to see that there are more philippinos, african, asian, indian in the mix. and its not 2-11%
meaning its not a HEALTH risk difference based on ethnicity. its a close contact risk that has more BAME people getting close to patients than white staff

what real BAME support groups are asking for is why are the white people safe in their office spaces while the BAME community are tasked to be facing patients taking all the risk
its not about BAME people being lower immune
..
its the same with work places. bus drivers and taxi drivers are usually a higher BAME community % yet they are in roles where they have to stay upclose and in confined spaces with loads of people.
again not a health immunity concern but a proximity to random people concern

[franky1]

My main point is that the vast majority of the population have a strong immunity to virus that has been given to them by nature. No man made drugs or vaccines have any chance of improving on this. Now id the time when immunity is at its strongest, so lets do all we can to let as many people as possible gain natural immunity, and then we can get on with life and try to handle the real economic problems that beset the world.

The increase in viral load is also an argument against the wearing of mass produced face masks.

1. if this is the 2nd 3rd season then yea people have built up a tolerance. they have the blueprints from previous seasons and the hospitalisation rate per year would drop from 10% first to 1% second to 0.1% third

but we are in the first season of a new virus..
again because i dont think you understand this part
NEW VIRUS
even if you do have a fast metabolism so when you identify a threat replicate loads of antibodies. this can take hours-days still.. but in that first 20 minutes of sucking face with a sick person the viral load may outpace your bodies ability to have pot luck random defenders.
its then too late its in the lungs replicating

much better to get low dose to then have low amount battle/replicating if they get passed the first defense
..
2. face coverings are only about 20% effective compared to N95/PPE2. and if you just done some maths.
its way better to instead of getting 1mill particles sucking face unprotected. to stand at 2 metres and get
a few dozen thousand. and then reduce that by 20% further so that your body gets a lower dose. thus less fight to need to battle

but overall distance and limiting time exposure makes more of an impact that a covering.

but if you want to keep promoting people should lick faces with sick people for 20minutes a day unprotected then you are just creating more problems for people.
much better to promote personal space respect to only get low dose exposure(social distance/cloth covering)

or if you are in the vulnerable category. then avoid all exposure(shielding/n95)

[BADecker]

Another problem with care worker stats is that many of them come from the BAME community,

you might want to check on that
when you realise a large majority of the 79% general white NHS staff are not patient facing. but office/admin/consultants/lab techs

and if you instead looked at the reports of the actual patient facing staff diversity
you will start to see that there are more philippinos, african, asian, indian in the mix. and its not 2-11%
meaning its not a HEALTH risk difference based on ethnicity. its a close contact risk that has more BAME people getting close to patients than white staff

what real BAME support groups are asking for is why are the white people safe in their office spaces while the BAME community are tasked to be facing patients taking all the risk
its not about BAME people being lower immune
..
its the same with work places. bus drivers and taxi drivers are usually a higher BAME community % yet they are in roles where they have to stay upclose and in confined spaces with loads of people.
again not a health immunity concern but a proximity to random people concern

Since there is no proof that SARS and Covid are different, this is, like, the 20th season for Covid... since we really don't know when SARS actually started.

[squatz1]

Pretty sure herd immunity requires around 80% of the population to actually have gotten it. The state in the US that had the most amount of people get it was NY, and even the state of NY only has 20% of the population get it. This is while 26k (or more now) residents of NY died b/c of Corona.

While yes, we'll get closer and closer to herd immunity as things go on. We're going to have a lot of people dead if we continue to go on the path of herd immunity. The best case is a vaccine soon, but that's also pretty far out at this point.

Rolling lockdowns and social distancing while we wait for a vaccine is really all we can do. Honestly.

[Spendulus]

Pretty sure herd immunity requires around 80% of the population to actually have gotten it. The state in the US that had the most amount of people get it was NY, and even the state of NY only has 20% of the population get it. This is while 26k (or more now) residents of NY died b/c of Corona.

While yes, we'll get closer and closer to herd immunity as things go on. We're going to have a lot of people dead if we continue to go on the path of herd immunity. The best case is a vaccine soon, but that's also pretty far out at this point.

Rolling lockdowns and social distancing while we wait for a vaccine is really all we can do. Honestly.

I think you are going to have to take the "wait for a vaccine" part out of that equation. And where does that leave us?

[Eugenar]

The number of the infected people with the virus is increasing maybe it is because most of the country is now free, most of the government stated that we are now in general community quarantine, that is why most of the people are now back to the normal lives, working, playing or anything which result to violate the social distancing and by that the virus can easily spread to each and every one. I think we should kill first the virus before were getting back to normal.