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July 20, 2020, 06:22:55 AM
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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

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July 20, 2020, 06:29:12 AM
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I also like bitcoin because it helps me a lot before when I am not using bitcoin I can't buy things I want but when I enter the world of crypto it gives me a chance to get what I want and what I need. This is a somehow similar experience with my friends because we entered the world of crypto at the same time.

Our world needs it because it gives us a chance to earn money, there are some people who are now that comfortable working outside their home so this bitcoin cryptocurrency helps them to earn money even though they are at their home. It also gives them a chance to save their money and making it profitable at the then long term through investing. Investing is risky but the excitement and thrill give it happiness on me.
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July 20, 2020, 06:33:49 AM
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Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool.
This is simply false. Yes, a lot of people use it for unethical purposes, but the percentage is minuscule.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Look. It's true that not everyone needs it, at least right now. And I'm guessing that you have such opinion because you're from a economically-healthy country. Take a look at Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and other more countries that are currently facing hyperinflation. Saying the world doesn't need it just because you don't, is being quite narrow-minded and selfish. Think outside your circle.

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July 20, 2020, 06:39:22 AM
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The percentage is minuscule? You mean of the honest ones, right? Find me an ethical shop that prefers bitcoin than governments cash or paypal, I'll wait.

I forgot about the donations. That was a thing, if you don't want to show any bank accounts. But as I said, to hide something.

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July 20, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Bitcoin is very important for all of us since it can be the future financial system of the whole world if the mass adaptation occurs. It will make the economy of the whole world better and the basis of country's being rich is how many Bitcoin they have on their country although hackers can hack some accounts and device to rob but different wallets will surely have a tighter security if the mass adaptation occurs so we don't need to worry unless you are using a non secured wallet.

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July 20, 2020, 06:55:49 AM
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It's a funny question after all these years that Bitcoin is present.
I have to say that I'm involved with Bitcoin for almost 8 years now and for me the answer is definetely yes. Bitcoin appeared as alternative to fiat currencies and to my opinion it fulfilled its purpose. It helped me in difficult financial times and I think that people need to have multiple choices.
In digital era and so fast development of new technologies Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are very logical solution.

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Bitcoin is very important for all of us since it can be the future financial system of the whole world if the mass adaptation occurs.

Mass adoption isn't enough. Governments must agree with the idea too. In fiat, if the central bank gets hacked, insurance will just make a case to get your money back.

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July 20, 2020, 07:08:45 AM
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I don't understand the term honest being used in the opening post. How does you segregate honest money and black money. If you say money issued through the bank is honest money, then I say it is wrong. Now each and everything is associated with data, and banks are the profit makers of the same.

In simple when someone goes for a loan, the bank pays certain percentage (~10%) to the central banking authority. The authority provides the right to issue the amount that's been requested as loan. That means if $10000 is requested as loan, then the bank pays $1000 to the central authority. It gives authentication to provide $10000 to the person requesting loan. Here nothing is transferred just the data. So what the bank has spend is $1000, and when it gets back it receives $10000 along with the interest.

This way with $1000 the banks circulate ten times the amount. So nothing is honest, to eliminate this intermediary bitcoin is essential in my opinion.
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July 20, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
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I think you are in haste.
Yeah, they might not need it now and there is truth that it became just an investment.

But the answer also resides in your back story before your questions.
Adoption.
Not much merchants yet because of the volatility.
They are still afraid to lose more while using bitcoin.
But there are some merchants who are already taking the next step.

It might be difficult to explain it for now. But, when it's widely used then I don't think you will need to explain to them.
Social media is also becoming a large part to give people the right answers.
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July 20, 2020, 07:18:35 AM
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The percentage is minuscule? You mean of the honest ones, right? Find me an ethical shop that prefers bitcoin than governments cash or paypal, I'll wait.

I forgot about the donations. That was a thing, if you don't want to show any bank accounts. But as I said, to hide something.

Because wanting to be private automatically means you want to hide something unlawful or illegal, right? It's the old heavily flawed "nothing to hide argument" argument again. This is a very old argument and has been discussed hundreds and hundreds of times already.

Also:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/report-just-1-percent-bitcoin-transactions-involve-illicit-dark-web-activity
https://www.coincenter.org/a-new-study-finds-less-than-1-of-bitcoin-transactions-to-exchanges-are-illicit/
https://cointelegraph.com/news/chainalysis-only-1-of-1-trillion-transacted-in-crypto-in-2019-was-illicit

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Bitcoin is not a currency, it is money. This is an important distinction. It is the only hard virtual asset in crypto, and because of this it is essential in the modern digital world. Its decentralisation and availability for everyone helps protect wealth in times of changing government policies and even governments. It also helps to protect us from the banking elite who are determined to pursue their goal of globalisation.

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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Government can impose tax in bitcoin holder if they want.Yes,government can't track you easily because of the blockchain technology that you used anonymously but if you're going to cash out your bitcoin and you need to exchange it first into fiat money then the government can trace your transaction through their banks or remittance center. What the government want is the centralize digital currency so that they have a full control over it. That's why it's difficult for them to accept bitcoin. Whatever the reason i still use bitcoin  not just as investment  but also as payment method especially now that the covid 19 virus keep on spreading.

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Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon.

Me likey Bitcoin long time too, but no, bitcoin did not went to moon because of big adoption and fixed supply. If you're keen to test this theory, just you try now and live on Bitcoin alone and no fiat for a month and see how that goes. Adoption is happening but on not many measures can you say it's in a big way. Your own question puts that notion to the gallows.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin.

Money laundering tool? Where's your stats? Look back on all the major corruption and laundering cases. King of Spain. Panama papers. Danske Bank. Are any of them using Bitcoin?

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July 20, 2020, 08:22:40 AM
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Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Bitcoin is very much welcome in commercial use and from the perspective of being used illegally, that's changing into the mainstream day by day. It doesn't mean you use bitcoin because you are into illegal activities. You use bitcoin because you know that it's a good investment and a good alternative payment method.

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Bitcoin is a store of value and the main indicator of the industry, we cant live without it
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Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Bitcoin is very much welcome in commercial use and from the perspective of being used illegally, that's changing into the mainstream day by day. It doesn't mean you use bitcoin because you are into illegal activities. You use bitcoin because you know that it's a good investment and a good alternative payment method.

Did I say that fiat is not used for money laundering? No.
Indeed, the most used cash system would be normally used for money laundering too.

What I'm saying that if you start accepting bitcoin in your business, no one will track you. And no one will tax you.

If you start selling drugs and accept bitcoin instead of cash nothing will change. You will have the same possibility to get caught.

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July 20, 2020, 08:38:20 AM
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Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Hide something ? Well maybe you looking at the government people or people who are in politics taking away people's money and hiding it in bitcoin but for a real investor and hodlers, they don't need to hide anything. For such investors, bitcoin is real investment and asset.
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Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.



Hide something ? Well maybe you looking at the government people or people who are in politics taking away people's money and hiding it in bitcoin but for a real investor and hodlers, they don't need to hide anything. For such investors, bitcoin is real investment and asset.

I'm talking about illegal activity, buddy. Not investment.

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July 20, 2020, 08:45:15 AM
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Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool.
This is simply false. Yes, a lot of people use it for unethical purposes, but the percentage is minuscule.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Look. It's true that not everyone needs it, at least right now. And I'm guessing that you have such opinion because you're from a economically-healthy country. Take a look at Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and other more countries that are currently facing hyperinflation. Saying the world doesn't need it just because you don't, is being quite narrow-minded and selfish. Think outside your circle.
Totally true. Thanks for mentioning that Venezuela needs Bitcoin due to the hyperinflation that it is going through. Bitcoin can help the citizens of my country to earn an income, we have a high unemployment figure since before the coronavirus and now it has worsened. Our internet service has ranked among the worst in Latin America. What makes it difficult for many things but not impossible. Only people need to have the knowledge and dedication to be able to help themselves with Bitcoin.
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July 20, 2020, 08:57:01 AM
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Did I say that fiat is not used for money laundering? No.
Indeed, the most used cash system would be normally used for money laundering too.
Yes, you didn't say that but you are pointing out that bitcoin is being used on it and we are not denying that. I guess that idea was already into bitcoin's character but that's changing already.

What I'm saying that if you start accepting bitcoin in your business, no one will track you. And no one will tax you.
The taxation depends on the country you reside, if they are actively monitoring the progress of bitcoin, they can create or mandate a law that covers the taxation for bitcoin transfers or cashout into their jurisdiction.

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We can't live without internet too. But the world didn't begin in 1995  Smiley
That's valid point.

But let's accept the fact that we are into different generation and era this time. Most businesses are running through internet these days and if your business can't go online, you'll be missing too many opportunities.

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Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Hide something ? Well maybe you looking at the government people or people who are in politics taking away people's money and hiding it in bitcoin but for a real investor and hodlers, they don't need to hide anything. For such investors, bitcoin is real investment and asset.

Agree, for those decent investors they treat bitcoin as part of their investment, they are not dealing with this
investment currency for laundering or hiding their assets, this are misconceptions and a mindset of those who
are not into this business that deep. You'll understand everything once you deal with bitcoin in the right manner
of treating it.

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July 20, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
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What I'm saying that if you start accepting bitcoin in your business, no one will track you. And no one will tax you.

Majority of businesses use payment gateways such as BitPay that automatically sells the bitcoin for fiat at point of sale because most businesses prefer not holding bitcoin due to the price volatility. And just like with every single payment processor, they do report to the IRS. So yea, they will get taxed.

https://support.bitpay.com/hc/en-us/articles/203076766-What-do-you-do-with-my-EIN-What-does-BitPay-tell-the-IRS

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July 20, 2020, 09:04:31 AM
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Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Bitcoin is very much welcome in commercial use and from the perspective of being used illegally, that's changing into the mainstream day by day. It doesn't mean you use bitcoin because you are into illegal activities. You use bitcoin because you know that it's a good investment and a good alternative payment method.
Not only that but cash are mostly experience inflation in these past years, many countries nowadays who now prefer to use digital currencies because of the inflation. Like the country of Venezuela where they experienced hyper inflation that leads to their many citizens to migrate in other countries. I saw a image yesterday where you need to have a lot of cash in order to just buy a whole chicken. Imagine the inflation that they are into, we really need bitcoin because what happened in bitcoin is deflation.
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Bitcoin is really good for investment, but it doesn't mean that people are using bitcoin because of investment. There are many things that we can do with bitcoin. It's not all about investment. We can use bitcoin for online transactions which is faster and more secured compared to fiat currency. Bitcoin could be a standard currency in the future because it gives us help in many aspects of our lives.
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The question of if we really need bitcoin is subjective, in my own case for example, my country's fiat value is depreciating with the years as well as our economy and i doubt there is any silver lining in the future with covid-19 and the recession coming with it, bitcoin is personally a viable alternative to retain value for your money.

I only hold our fiat and a reasonable mount of it to buy by needs in stores that accept just cash, and to pay bills; as i keep accumulating bitcoins regularly, holding only cash means your money loses value daily, economists have predicted a major inflation/recession coming my country's way, i sure need bitcoin as an alternative when that happens.

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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Okay let me clear few things for you :

* It's only used for investments and money laundering ?

Only 10% Bitcoins is used for illegal activities !!
It's an amazing source to transfer the money from one part of the world to another without compromising time/privacy/excess fee and all.
People are buying houses with it !! Even coffee.
Lightning network does need a lot of improvement but in the future we might have some new way to send instantly without using much fee.

* You are seriously talking about governments like they are the rulers of the kingdom and we should do as they please. They work for us not the other way around! Ask for your rights.

See this centralization is disastrous !! We are living in a world where people are oppressed and corruption and discrimination is killing most of them , decentralization gives person a chance .

* It actually gives us a chance to protect our assets in a different way , trade for short and long term , have a option for the time when market falls , even during corona virus Bitcoins did help a lot of people , it provided jobs , opportunities to earn , expand their business overseas without much problems.

* Cash is used way more for these things !!!
We cannot even expect to actually find out about the transactions and such but Bitcoins is transparent and when we are talking about censorship and government , we should understand that it is way more open as compared to any governmental body.


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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

First and foremost, we don’t just look at the price movement of Bitcoin. It’s definitely about the real and positive use cases of it. What I really liked about Bitcoin is the full transparency of the transactions through the disruptive blockchain technology. It cannot be tampered and definitely the most secured way in sending and receiving funds online.

This is one reason why we need Bitcoin nowadays. No government can prevent us from competing the transactions here and there. Just my opinion.

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I come from a low-income country, so I need Bitcoin to get income. It is true that not everyone need Bitcoin, then the number of people who
have Bitcoin is still small when compared to fiat. But in the future people will need Bitcoin. Because we need an alternative payment other
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

The idea of Bitcoin creation is not to hide something. It's just that the decentralized feature of Bitcoin attracts the people in the SR black market and any other illegal use, then took advantage of it.

I won't say the world doesn't need it, when banks has our data and money. I mean we don't have the full access to our asset. The main idea of Bitcoin is to let us acquire full access of our money. You can easily send and receive Bitcoin anytime anywhere without any confirmation from a third party company (banks) that sometimes fail to work.

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Bitcoin is just an online currency which is decentralized, just like a money, you can use it for illegal or legal purposes, that depends on your decision as you are in control of your coin. You are asking if we need it, yes we need it because the centralized system built by the government is corrupt, with decentralization, we can make transactions of our own without a 3rd party and investors are seeing that potential, reason why bitcoin has increase its value already.

Maybe some would hate, but we can't blame them, everyone has their own stance, and besides, bitcoin is still young, it still need years for people to completely adopt and the market will be fully regulated.

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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

If you think we don't need Bitcoin, then find out about the enormous debt bubble that has been inflated especially since the financial crisis of 2008 and is exploding even further in the current corona period. Bitcoin is currently the only stable value element besides gold in a crazy global fiat financial casino.
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People will need bitcoin, especially for people who want to have freedom in financial and investment. People can manage their own money in bitcoin, whether they will use for buying something, or hold it as the investment, or other things, and that will depend on what reason for every people who have bitcoin.

You don't have to convince people around you, but you can introduce bitcoin to them, and let them decide. I am sure if they have an interest in bitcoin, they will come to you to ask more about bitcoin, so at that time, you can teach them how to have and use bitcoin. I am sure that an honest person will want to have bitcoin if they have an open mind about something new because we talk about technology, which always develops.

We don't need to think about the government will prohibit, ban, or whatever it is because as long as we can use bitcoin, we don't have to worry about that.

Bitcoin is for people who want to have and use, and if the government ban bitcoin, but people want to use bitcoin, they will find out the way to still use bitcoin.
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Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Bitcoin is very much welcome in commercial use and from the perspective of being used illegally, that's changing into the mainstream day by day. It doesn't mean you use bitcoin because you are into illegal activities. You use bitcoin because you know that it's a good investment and a good alternative payment method.
Not only that but cash are mostly experience inflation in these past years, many countries nowadays who now prefer to use digital currencies because of the inflation. Like the country of Venezuela where they experienced hyper inflation that leads to their many citizens to migrate in other countries. I saw a image yesterday where you need to have a lot of cash in order to just buy a whole chicken. Imagine the inflation that they are into, we really need bitcoin because what happened in bitcoin is deflation.
The inflation and deflation comparison. Bitcoin's into deflation and yearly there's an inflation for cash. The hyper inflation in Venezuela is tragic, I can't imagine how I'll survive there but in some videos that I have watched, it was said that citizens there are benefiting from bitcoin.

And transactions are commonly done through cashless payments.

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It so bolded enough to see that Bitcoin isn't for everyone nor the world needs it. And I agreed with that. But you can stop people to use it of anything they to for their Bitcoin, and even its use for money laundering or another form of illegalities. People have their right but somehow it held liabilities that authorities won't agree of being uncensored.

Though authorities don't want Bitcoin nor they give support for crypto but they can't stop people to use this either. For a decade of existence, it found out that Bitcoin demand has increased, and may we able to say the world never needs Bitcoin but somehow Bitcoin places something important now and in the future.

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Short story about a bank that went bankrupt and not


It was 2008/2009 financial crisis
Average joe lost a lifetime of savings, its been 10+ years and still those normal people, some who worked their entire lifes, some that imigrated some who didnt even had consideraval amounts, still waiting for their money.


Meanwhile in these more than 10 years there were a series of uncovered truths that finally saw the light, exposing the natural rich who controled the bank, some peole from the government itself even the prime minister at the time, national phone and electric company all involved in a series of shady business.
Bank changed name, government inject billions on it and counting...now the thing is "should we nationalise the bank in order to save it again while those poor people never got to see their money and they never will"


id rather have bitcoin with all its flaws than continue to experience these sort of modus operandi that only a few "elite" is allowed.












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Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

Governments probably don't find bitcoin as an effective tool to help the economy of a country grow due to its volatility. As they can't collect taxes from bitcoin transactions, they can just benefit those local businesses and not on the centralized transactions. That's why they keep on keeping it illegal in some countries due to selfishness and not thinking of the government's benefits. It is really hard to trust government if those politicians are corrupt.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

We need bitcoin because it has the ability to secure our future, it can be a store of value and a source of profit depending on how you will make it grow with your hardwork and effort.

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You don't have to convince someone to get into BTC. Same goes for precious metals. Some people simply don't think a precious metal should have any value at all. Others use gold as a money laundering tool.

Put the illegal uses to the side and think of the real benefits Bitcoin provides. Crimes will always exist in any medium. BTC crimes are nothing compared to the amount of fiat and bank crimes there are every day. I personally need it for the freedom it gives me. I'm simply sick of the literal slavery banks put us into, so I'd rather be my own bank instead.

I don't think I have done something illegal through crypto and that certainly isn't my goal. My only goal is to be financially free. In the end, I'll probably cash out and pay my taxes in order to materially benefit from my coins - but nobody will know what happened between the moment I bought and the moment I sold all my coins. I might as well use a mixer to improve my privacy - and in the end, I know that my money is real, has not been counterfeited/double-spent and the inflation rate is precise and known. The trustless manner of BTC is wild.
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Let's answer this question by the Bitcoin price. When we need something we demand that thing and increasing demand means increasing the price. Let's say Bitcoin was always in uptrend on long and short term, so I believe according to what I said yes people really need Bitcoin and that is the reason of the increasing demand. Usually for people seeking for some privacy bitcoin is a haven if you know how and where to use it. Also for people transferring a huge amount of money, thy will never need the traditional weak system.

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Any sane person who works and accumulates wealth (little or much) is not happy to lose it because of the distorted monetary policies of these centralizers. Because only the "unhealthy" do not notice the great inflation going on (also because of the distraction and ignorance).
That's why bitcoin is needed, and how it is needed. To keep own capital (to buy the things we want or need): to be free financially.
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Any sane person who works and accumulates wealth (little or much) is not happy to lose it because of the distorted monetary policies of these centralizers.

Good point, there are people who wanted to be free from this centralized types of monetary system.

Because only the "unhealthy" do not notice the great inflation going on (also because of the distraction and ignorance).

Ignorance from how things are working, and that's the reality those who don't have that richness in life doesn't care about inflations.

That's why bitcoin is needed, and how it is needed. To keep own capital (to buy the things we want or need): to be free financially.

Bitcoin is a great alternatives if you want to feel this freedom, since you can hold as much as you want nd store it from your own wallet
without any interfere of any centralized bankings.
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It is a good question.

The answer is very complex or very simple.

No we don't need it as we don't need to be alive. = True.

So I propose we want to be alive and that is why we try to stay alive.

Same for bitcoin we want it we don't need it we want it.

What to we want it for?

A shit ton long list of things.

Security.
Hedge against inflation.
Secret way to move value.


But it can be used much like a hammer can be used.  It can improve the value of a real-estate property.

Buysolar and I have built and use a 115kwatt  solar mining array.
We took advantage of New Jersey solar rules and there is now about 600 panels on his property.
This increased the value of his real estate property
This was legal.
We used the laws in New Jersey to be able to do this.
We used mining BTC to create a legal legit demand for power.

This allowed us to size the solar array to 115kwatt verse  40 kwatts.

This can be done in many parts of the USA.
We are looking into doing one in South Carolina.

But. to answer the question did we need to do it. No
We wanted to do it . Yes

BTW we could have used GPUs and mined ETH or ZCash.

So my answer is it is not needed it is wanted by many for lots of reasons.

I like it and want it to stick around as
It can be used to increase property value.
Via solar expansion.
But that is limited to certain areas of the world on of which I happen to live in. 

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July 20, 2020, 01:49:39 PM
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Yes we (I) need bitcoin. Even it is volatile but it has proved its power. Bitcoin's journey From penny to thousands of dollars is amazing. It's bright future is very attractive so i need bitcoin.
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I guess it really depends on what your definition of truly "needing' something is.  Do we need our fiat currency or do we need any cryptocurrencies? Technically no.  Now I know what you mean, and I disagree.  There are a lot more people using bitcoin and other crytpos for payments that you're not lending any credit to. It's not just an "investment".  Yes , we need it for the border-less, decentralized aspects alone.

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July 20, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
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In my opinion, I think not necessarily because before we are living without the use of the bitcoin and we start only with the use of trade of items and them comes up with the use of the physical money by the time goes by the creator of the very well known bitcoin which is Satoshi Nakamoto wants to become decentralized all of the transactions and also want to make all the things digitalized because we are ongoing into the world of technology and why not use that only payment as an advantage and now we come up into the world of cryptocurrency and bitcoin but still there are some people who are living without the use of it and that's my perspective about if we needed the use of bitcoin.

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We need it most these days, you will see some people that cannot even make a living because of our current state? If they know how to trade from the start, they could have save some money to try their fate on day trading. If they want to have some alternatives to digital money they could use BTC for that. As for me, it really helps me these past 3 months because I haven't gone to my usual job and the government supplies were cut off due to a lot of villages needs to prioritize their helps. I'm very thankful that I have some alternative jobs to support my basic needs and one of them is the signature campaign which I'm currently hired that also paid us with BTC.

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We need it because people buy the idea and when bullrun comes you'll get more money out of it. I do think this is enough reason without thinking about the technology behind Bitcoin. If people use BTC as an investment or as a money-laundering tool then its up to them to make use of it.  But they shouldn't think like there are no consequences though.

Since it has a value already before I got into BTC, I then use it and NEED BTC because I don't wanna go back to PayPal.

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If you think outside the box you will probably gonna need it anyway especially this time where most of the cities are in total lockdown. You can't access banks easily if there's a lockdown that's why with the help of Bitcoin we can easily send and receive to any part of the world. This is the power of decentralization compared to the centralized ones but of course, fiat and crypto currency should exist the same way since not everyone likes crypto currency.

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If you think outside the box you will probably gonna need it anyway especially this time where most of the cities are in total lockdown. You can't access banks easily if there's a lockdown that's why with the help of Bitcoin we can easily send and receive to any part of the world. This is the power of decentralization compared to the centralized ones but of course, fiat and crypto currency should exist the same way since not everyone likes crypto currency.

Actually this is good for paypal. Not (only) for bitcoin.

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In a simple sentence, who doesn't need BTC !
BTC is the most popular cryptocurrency.To be honest, everyone needs BTC, but for those who are middle class and students, it is like the new moon. As well as being a platform suitable for those who want to transact very fast, and it is also secure. The demand for bitcoin will spread far and wide.
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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
It seems you have already fixed your mind so I am not going to waste any time trying to prove you wrong, however people are not afraid of central authorities on the west because for the most part they have been doing a a great job at hiding from their population what they are doing with the economy, but once this is over, and believe me at some point it will be over, people will see why we need something like bitcoin but at that time it will be too late for them to protect themselves and their capital.

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We did not really have the need for Bitcoin BUT it was worth it learning about it. Learning about Blockchain Technologies was really helpful understand how and why Bitcoin works. Bitcoin really helped a lot financially since the value of Bitcoin is really noticeable. There are already people using the Cryptocurrency Industry as their source of financial help and that is actually resourceful. Bitcoin taught us how to utilize available resources through hard work and patience.

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Come to think of it, we live before without bitcoin, we survived, we do usual things even without it
 But, we are now in a new era with new technologies. Aren't we wanted the new convenient system? New kind of payment system, something new that we can be proud of that we were be able to be part of. At the end of the day, we can still survive without it but we still need it. And our life is a lot better with bitcoin, realtalk.
 Too many things that makes bitcoin special that many considered it as a lifesaver, so yep we need it.
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

The world needs more moral improvement and human character than needs bitcoin. But in reality, human morals are difficult to change and tend to be stingy and greedy. In the hands of good people, bitcoin is beneficial for many people. In the hands of bad people, bitcoin is only used as a tool to support crime. So all depends on the subject, not the object. Bitcoin is only an object in the economic movement.

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July 21, 2020, 04:26:17 AM
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

The world needs more moral improvement and human character than needs bitcoin. But in reality, human morals are difficult to change and tend to be stingy and greedy. In the hands of good people, bitcoin is beneficial for many people. In the hands of bad people, bitcoin is only used as a tool to support crime. So all depends on the subject, not the object. Bitcoin is only an object in the economic movement.

In fact, if only people were morally upright and have the preferable character then Bitcoin wouldn't have been needed in the first place. Who needs Bitcoin when human beings and their systems are honest and fair? Nobody, nobody at all. But that is simply not the case. Human beings are not as honest and fair as we wish them to be. They are easily corrupted. Even those who are having so vast a power over the rest of their fellowmen cannot be trusted. That is why Bitcoin was born. It was urgently needed!
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I don't know if anyone needs it but I need it.Many online sites are using Bitcoin as a payment system. It is true that many governments do not approve Bitcoin for there country. Many governments now do not think that Bitcoin is needed but will be needed in the future. Just waiting for a government approval then the whole world will need it.
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We do need bitcoin, we need it like any other disruptive technology before bitcoin. Naturally, it is not obvious from the start what bitcoin can give us, what it will be used for in the future. Even people who considered to be experts in this field have no real idea what bitcoin is. Is it speculative asset? Is it a convinient tool for money launders? Most probably, neither of that. That is just first steps of new disruptive technology, its very first use cases, negative though. People should decide for themselves how to use it. The most interesting part about bitcoin is that it gives people a choice. If you are okay with current system in which everyone have to rely on honesty of intermediaries, you probably don't need bitcoin yet. But if there is a situation where you lose trust in third parties, you now have an option to opt-out from current system and that is bitcoin.

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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Honest people are not afraid of central authority and dishonest people are also not afraid of central authority. Because with central authority or no central authority. There are illegal activities.
BTC have brought more power to people who have no power or the ones in control of these central authorities either being honest or dishonest.
And also, The world is Manipulated now. And if there is 0% censorship on btc, there is still a way to track btc. I heard SEC told Bitfinex to freeze and account with come btc some days back and this is something related to censorship. Illegal activities can be stopped with on Bitcoin blockchain too its just a matter of way to track each transaction and figuring out the illegal users moves.

So we need Btc to avoid been cheated by the so called governments manipulating things and making everything complicated
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I don't know if anyone needs it but I need it.Many online sites are using Bitcoin as a payment system. It is true that many governments do not approve Bitcoin for there country. Many governments now do not think that Bitcoin is needed but will be needed in the future. Just waiting for a government approval then the whole world will need it.

I'd like to see how the government will look differently with Bitcoins as the pandemic get worsen and turns their mind positively than thinking it negatively as they do before. But I'm not really seeing that Bitcoin will be ultimately needed in the future. No, you can't leave to think that the government will fully authorize crypto and vanishing fiat money coz Central banks will still printing paper money as people will still need it.

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In a simple sentence, who doesn't need BTC !
BTC is the most popular cryptocurrency.To be honest, everyone needs BTC, but for those who are middle class and students, it is like the new moon. As well as being a platform suitable for those who want to transact very fast, and it is also secure. The demand for bitcoin will spread far and wide.
Lastly, I don't know who wants bitcoin and who doesn't need but I want more.....

People out there will not need bitcoin because they think that they can still search for the other jobs and make money with fiat. But that will different if they know about bitcoin because with bitcoin, they can still try to make money, and the best part is they can convert their bitcoin to fiat money which they can use to fills their daily needs. Yes, people who know bitcoin will want to have bitcoin, and we always want more bitcoin from doing many things related to crypto jobs.

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I don't know if anyone needs it but I need it.Many online sites are using Bitcoin as a payment system. It is true that many governments do not approve Bitcoin for there country. Many governments now do not think that Bitcoin is needed but will be needed in the future. Just waiting for a government approval then the whole world will need it.

I'd like to see how the government will look differently with Bitcoins as the pandemic get worsen
Wrong,Pandemic now is getting better and the world is slowly getting unto it,
Russia is soon to release the vaccine so what is getting worse?
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and turns their mind positively than thinking it negatively as they do before.
Out country is getting positive each day because the people are coping with what government is telling us to do.
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But I'm not really seeing that Bitcoin will be ultimately needed in the future. No, you can't leave to think that the government will fully authorize crypto and vanishing fiat money coz Central banks will still printing paper money as people will still need it.
Bitcoin is really design for future and that is what happening since more than 10 years ago.

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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

For a daily living?  I say no.  I like Bitcoin but something along the line many people set an agenda into it which I found unhealthy for the national economic growth.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

With the presence of third party exchanges, government can easily track people's transaction by implementing kyc.  Blockchain transparency is also a great help to it.  Aside from P2P and underground market, if the person is transacting with registered merchants, they can be easily traced.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Totally agree with you.

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The answer is simply NO.

Bitcoin is just a cryptocurrency and I think many people are buying it including me, for investing purposes and for trading obviously. But if someone will ask do I need Bitcoin then, NO! There's a better alternative for bitcoin if you are gonna use it for daily transaction, a lot of banks are implementing online transactions and E-wallet which is fiat based is booming right now (also the transaction is instant). For me Bitcoin is so hassle to use and not effective if you are just a regular guy who wants to use digital money. Bitcoin for me is just for investment like it or hate it there's a lot and better alternative for cryptocurrency.  Wink

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Bitcoin brought the to the world this valuable technological breakthrough and although there are other blockchains with add ons that will further the advancement of this Tech, it still plays a valuable role and is still the most dominant currency in this whole market cap demographic. Will it be the same in ten years down the line? Who knows what will happen then and what breakthroughs in this technology will perhaps bring one of the blockchains to over take Bitcoin. At the moment we need Bitcoin as a measurement for store or value scenarios which Financial Institutions can use to invest accordingly in this fledgling technology.


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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Some people use Bitcoin in illegal transactions as they know that they are not traceable but never think that they could be successful all the time. I understand why some countries are not in the support of crypto because of this, but even illegalities hidden the authorities will still hunt them down.

Yeah, and the same with you...I wont seeing that the world needs for Bitcoin because of its high risk and volatility feature. Not even we consider that it places an important role at this time as we use it for another form of cashless payment it is because traditional payment won't either stop. And we know that, people are not 100% committed to crypto adoption and being much comfortable with this.



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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Try to make a $1,000,000 bank transfer from London to Japan and see how much the banks charge in fees... now try to do it with bitcoin... it will cost the same than spend only $10, and that's why we need bitcoin.

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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Try to make a $1,000,000 bank transfer from London to Japan and see how much the banks charge in fees... now try to do it with bitcoin... it will cost the same than spend only $10, and that's why we need bitcoin.
This is the reasons that best for bitcoin but never learn by others.
If only the world will accept this advantage?for sure they will accept and use this legally starting  now.
Bitcoin is important for us because governments can't  control it or its price (ofcourse for now). Maybe they can find a way to control it someday.
and this same reason why the government dont want this to be accepted as they cannot manipulate and control the flow of currency inside.









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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Try to make a $1,000,000 bank transfer from London to Japan and see how much the banks charge in fees... now try to do it with bitcoin... it will cost the same than spend only $10, and that's why we need bitcoin.
This is the reasons that best for bitcoin but never learn by others.
If only the world will accept this advantage?for sure they will accept and use this legally starting  now.
Bitcoin is important for us because governments can't  control it or its price (ofcourse for now). Maybe they can find a way to control it someday.
and this same reason why the government dont want this to be accepted as they cannot manipulate and control the flow of currency inside.

yeah, it is the main reason. that's why the government don't want to legalize BTC. Govt. is unable to control it or regulate it, they will not be able to determine or definite its value. on the other hand, Bitcoin is not stable like other fiat money, its price goes up or down rapidly at any time, this is one of the main reasons why governments in many countries do not legalize Bitcoin.

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July 21, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

You are not entirely wrong to be honest because money laundering and investment purpose are the two most common uses of bitcoin currently and until the entire crypto industry looks at and make good use of the true purpose of bitcoin, it can be said that it is not really needed. Talking about the true purpose of bitcoin, it's meant to provide financial freedom but then again, if you ain't doing something illegal why should one need to hide his financial activities from the authorities. I know good intentions were behind the creation of bitcoin but bad people are using it for illegal things

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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Here's the thing, bitcoin is not actually anonymous for people to actually hide themselves from the world. Remember how Silk Road was taken down despite their usage of Bitcoin? They are reborn? Silk Road 2.0 and 3.0 was taken down too.

There are more anonymous crypto currencies than bitcoin so I don't think we should always talk about people wanting to use it to cover their tracks, still, do we need it? The question here should be do we want it? Not all of the countries adopted this crypto and despite you having a lot of it, you can't still use it. Anonimity? Volatility? Illegal? Do you still want it? It depends, since as you said, they look at it as an investment.

In terms of Money Laundering, this article described it as "sparse". Which we can conclude people treat Bitcoin more of an investment rather than a money laundering tool.


Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

I respect your opinion but doesn't mean people using decentralized currencies means they want to hide something, can't I just have a crypto for investing? It is not always the anonimity that we take account into, it is the profit. Just look how it move in the pandemic, with the right decisions we could earn a lot by taking that dump as an advantage.

Another thing is that not all of the people even want it. In our country not even quarter of our population are using bitcoin. The government have their hands full with more important problems than thinking how they would tax bitcoin since if they wanted to they can just take it all off on exchanges, but they didn't.

Government wanted censorship, that is why there would come a time where people might use crypto currencies not just for anonimity, but for their freedom.

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July 21, 2020, 09:32:51 PM
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

Bitcoin wasn't created majorly to hide transactions, been free from monitoring from central authority and a third party involvement is different from hiding a transaction. Even the central authority are not to be trusted, there are people ruling those and as well have been noticed with many fraudulent acts. In as much as there are honest people who don't need hide no thing, there are those who would take advantage of your honesty. so not involving anyone for payments you make is no worst thing.

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July 21, 2020, 10:08:47 PM
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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool.

This shows you don't know many Bitcoiners and don't know much about its acceptance. You can really buy a lot of stuff with it. Browse a little and you'll find uses for it.

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Of course we need Bitcoin, so Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin for all of us. Because they want a change in the sector finance,
which has always been controlled by the government and banks. We with fiat currency cannot get the freedom to control our own
finances. But Bitcoin provides something that is not owned by Fiat, therefore the popularity of Bitcoin continues to increase. To support
Bitcoin try to make it a habit to make payments with Bitcoin, because now there are many merchants that accept payments with Bitcoin,
the more people use Bitcoin, i'm sure the government will legalize it.

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July 21, 2020, 10:29:54 PM
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We need it because people buy the idea and when bullrun comes you'll get more money out of it. I do think this is enough reason without thinking about the technology behind Bitcoin. If people use BTC as an investment or as a money-laundering tool then its up to them to make use of it.  But they shouldn't think like there are no consequences though.

Since it has a value already before I got into BTC, I then use it and NEED BTC because I don't wanna go back to PayPal.
I see bitcoin mostly as currency and not investment, it is important for me because I keep using it in my daily lives especially right now where there is a pandemic and using digital currencies are more better than using fiat money. We need bitcoin for us to have better payment system, its characteristics are very unique where it is decentralized and there is no central authority of government that can control it.

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July 21, 2020, 10:46:01 PM
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Me, too. I like and need it, it has a big role in my life nowadays.
Regarding its use for the world, I think it is really needed by the world even if not all people can use it and want to have it today. We don't look at the current adoption or use right now, we should also think for the future. I am pretty sure that in the future, Bitcoin will be more needed and probably utilized by most people in the world. In addition, Bitcoin is created for a digital or electronic money, and it fits for modern life. With the adoption that is getting more massive, it may be fully adopted as a global currency in the future. IMHO  Wink

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July 21, 2020, 10:59:50 PM
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Everything needs a proccess. Let say many people now ignore bitcoin or the utilization of bitcoin including investing it or even they are refuse to using it. But I do believe even I higly believe that in the future will use bitcoin, I don't care they use bitcoin as illegal purpose or not but at least they need bitcoin.

Because bitcoin concept is really reasonable for human being. They refuse to using now because they haven't know bitcoin at all, may what has op said most of them only use bitcoin when they do an illegal purpose. It is just a matter of time, like me maybe who was just ignoring bitcoin many time but finally I use it and even I love this technology.
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July 21, 2020, 11:46:14 PM
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Most people don't need Bitcoin, at least for now, but some do. You mentioned darknet markets, which isn't always a bad thing, but Bitcoin also created opportunities for donations for those who get censored by mainstream payment methods, Bitcoin allows individuals from sanctioned countries to have at least some financial connection with the rest of the world.

Try to make a $1,000,000 bank transfer from London to Japan and see how much the banks charge in fees... now try to do it with bitcoin... it will cost the same than spend only $10, and that's why we need bitcoin.

99.999% of the population will never make a million dollar transaction in their lives.

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July 21, 2020, 11:55:58 PM
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Not all really need Bitcoin TBH. Some are enough already with using Cash/Fiat right now and some don't have the time really to know what is crypto or Bitcoin in specific.

I don't think that generalizing is good saying that the world doesn't need it because still there are some people who needs Bitcoin in any ways. Yes Bitcoin has been used to hide something like in dark net and there we can see that some really need it to hide themselves.

Right now maybe there are only few who are using the real function of it but give it some time Smiley. More and more will use it

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July 22, 2020, 03:23:48 AM
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IMO, this doesn't need to be asked.

Especially these days when we are in a pandemic, what people need is to sustain themselves and find a way to earn money without risking their lives outside. We don't even need to relate anonimity with this since there are people that are not interested with it. Most of the people I asked said that it is because related or connected to scam.
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Yes of course,especially during this pandemic bitcoin helps us a lot by transacting through online that we no longer need to leave the house, and nowadays it is safer to use digital currency compared to fiat. Not everyone believes in the ability of bitcoin but i'm sure that due to it's continued development over the time more people will likely to use it.

It is great that you have that point of view but not all of us are like that.

There are those that look at Bitcoin as a specuoative asset, something that would give them profit ina period of time. They will not be using Bitcoin since they are thinking the profit in the near future. We need it for the purpose of having a profit. Either way, people usually use digital wallets or mobile payments rather than Bitcoin.
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July 22, 2020, 04:17:46 AM
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I find it somehow one-sided to the disadvantage people could do with bitcoin. In fact, it isn't stated in the white paper of bitcoin that people should use it to scam or commit fraud. But what people are doing is that they aren't exercising the freedom that bitcoin gave to what it should be used to. The complete anonymity with bitcoin isn't made for transaction that is illegal, it is for secured and absolute privacy that one can achieve, if they don't want their transactions to be seen by public. Maybe we could highlight foreign transactions that made easy by bitcoin in which transaction fee is relatively low. Not just that, Bitcoin opened up too many opportunities, new jobs, ease of providing services, and more.
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July 22, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
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Yes of course,especially during this pandemic bitcoin helps us a lot by transacting through online that we no longer need to leave the house, and nowadays it is safer to use digital currency compared to fiat. Not everyone believes in the ability of bitcoin but i'm sure that due to it's continued development over the time more people will likely to use it.
the only problem is not all in each country accepts Bitcoin or other altcoins and in this matter the use of crypto is very limited.
about the ability of bitcoin?it may grow if we will help the community spread the benefits of bitcoin.
IMO, this doesn't need to be asked.

Especially these days when we are in a pandemic, what people need is to sustain themselves and find a way to earn money without risking their lives outside. We don't even need to relate anonimity with this since there are people that are not interested with it. Most of the people I asked said that it is because related or connected to scam.
and also people tend to trade now using bitcoin,since many people lost their jobs and looking for another way to profit.

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Yes of course,especially during this pandemic bitcoin helps us a lot by transacting through online that we no longer need to leave the house, and nowadays it is safer to use digital currency compared to fiat. Not everyone believes in the ability of bitcoin but i'm sure that due to it's continued development over the time more people will likely to use it.

But unfortunately, not many local stores or online stores accept bitcoin as the payment, and they still prefer to use fiat, which converts into debit or credit card. Sooner or later, people will see bitcoin's ability, and they will use bitcoin as we did. But to be used as the payment transaction, bitcoin needs to be legalized by the government, so people will not be afraid to use bitcoin.
The community has different perception on bitcoin. Other may percieve it as digital currency while others it is a form of investment and sometimes both. Well yes, bitcoin could be use to buy for commodities in other areas but for me it is hard to use btc as medium of exchange like buying goods, products or services. This because of bitcoin market price volatility. Most of the business owners had set their price rate and fix profit to which enables them to earn gambling it using bitcoin may loss them in their profits.
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July 22, 2020, 12:29:41 PM
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Most people don't need Bitcoin, at least for now, but some do. You mentioned darknet markets, which isn't always a bad thing, but Bitcoin also created opportunities for donations for those who get censored by mainstream payment methods, Bitcoin allows individuals from sanctioned countries to have at least some financial connection with the rest of the world.

Try to make a $1,000,000 bank transfer from London to Japan and see how much the banks charge in fees... now try to do it with bitcoin... it will cost the same than spend only $10, and that's why we need bitcoin.

99.999% of the population will never make a million dollar transaction in their lives.

You are right, there is a low number of people making transactions for that amount, but the same applies to low amounts too. Try to send $10,000 to Japan from UK by bank transfer and see how high those fees are.

Bitcoin isn't a need now, but is a nice tool to avoid bank fees or govs taxes.

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July 22, 2020, 01:16:36 PM
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Yes, we really need bitcoin. It has so many advantages that it would be unwise not to use it. I agree that the anonymity of bitcoin was exaggerated, but it has something that society is striving for in one way or another - bitcoin does not have a single issuer and regulator, so there is no political influence and the impact of inflation. No one can single-handedly decide what will happen to bitcoin and impose their will on the rest, it is safe yet no one has hacked it - there are still many advantages - isn't this what humanity wants?
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The community has different perception on bitcoin. Other may percieve it as digital currency while others it is a form of investment and sometimes both. Well yes, bitcoin could be use to buy for commodities in other areas but for me it is hard to use btc as medium of exchange like buying goods, products or services. This because of bitcoin market price volatility. Most of the business owners had set their price rate and fix profit to which enables them to earn gambling it using bitcoin may loss them in their profits.
And that's the reason why BTC adoption wouldn't really replace Fiat in it's place. Bitcoin is more of a specialized currency that can be used on and off depending on what the situation needs. Yes, the anonymity it provides may prove to be used for illegal purposes, but hell, let's stop generalizing things. Anonymity doesn't mean that it's illegal or anything, hiding your identity doesn't mean that you're doing something wrong or anything. Anonymity is just that, anonymity, no need to paint it black or white.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Well, Simplest answer would be Central Authorities are also humans. We put them into high pedestals thiinking they are all oh mighty honest people, but really let's be honest, humans aren't perfect, we're greedy, and I expect them to take advantage of their position for their benefits, which includes mine, so I really think I have the right to avoid them when I want to.

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Obviously its needed for us. You see those who were blocked in house in this pandemic situation there income was totally off. there BTC work one and only income source without any risk of virus so that we see more people involved in BTC as a safe income source. In my life also its give me more happy time after i involved with it.

So i think its needed for everyone specially who wants to make extra income besides job.

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July 23, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
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Bitcoin was a great idea during the pandemic.

But most of the people want to have a 3rd party middleman. If someone steals you money from the bank or anything similar, he will give them back to you. If people started using bitcoin, they wouldn't have any "support". I want to be responsible for my money but most of the people are afraid and want the "professionals" to control their finance.

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July 23, 2020, 09:09:17 AM
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For me,i really need bitcoin and we need it especially this time of pandemic. Maybe others use it in illegal transaction or in black market but for me i really need it to support the needs of my family now that i don't have other works caused of covid-19.

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July 23, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
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For me,i really need bitcoin and we need it especially this time of pandemic. Maybe others use it in illegal transaction or in black market but for me i really need it to support the needs of my family now that i don't have other works caused of covid-19.
Maybe for you, it is only for this pandemic but many people need bitcoin for their daily basis. As bitcoin is the most popular crypto currency all over the world, people are showing interest on it.
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I want to be responsible for my money but most of the people are afraid and want the "professionals" to control their finance.
With the control over your money, not only can they protect you from losing of money, but also they now have the ability to control you, your wealth, your habits, your purchases, etc. Every transaction you make is now being recorded somewhere, these records can be and will be used against you if controllers of your money wish so. Imagine, there is no physical cash at all and all moneis are now digital records in database. They now can control you in other way, for example, to force you to consume instead of saving. They can implement negative interest rates, every day your money in a bank account will be losing its purchasing power and you can't do nothing about it except spending your money before it is debased dramatically. Actually, now we have the promising way to opt out of such controls and that is once again bitcoin, money that cannot be controlled by a single party.

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July 23, 2020, 09:42:44 AM
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I must say that we need bitcoin as we can see that all are evolving especially technology. We know that bitcoin is decentralize and we can use online,it's really useful as we know that we can use bitcoin as payment,buying things and also we can earn or have a profit in bitcoin. It will depend to how we use it and where we can use it.

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the government cannot track you easily because of the blockchain technology that you use anonymously, the government uses can track bitcoin if they want, but now if you are going to cash your bitcoin and you have to exchange it first for paper money. then the government can track your transactions through their bank or money transfer center. what the government wants is a centralized digital currency so they have full control over it. That is why it is difficult for them to accept bitcoin. Whatever the reason, I still use bitcoin not only as an investment but also as a payment method primarily
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July 23, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
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For me,i really need bitcoin and we need it especially this time of pandemic. Maybe others use it in illegal transaction or in black market but for me i really need it to support the needs of my family now that i don't have other works caused of covid-19.

How do you use it though? I also have an investment with bitcoin but I don't think I should rely on it since the profit I am getting from it is not that much to support my family or get what I need in a day. Also, even the price increases, I don't want to use it since it might give me more profit in the longer period of time.

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Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
We don't need to hide something just to use Bitcoin.

have you try sending Money outside your country?have your  family members also try to pay Online items or services?(of course those company that accepting Bitcoin)

Because if does then you Need to learn Using Bitcoin.

- Transaction is much faster

- the Fee is too much lower


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July 23, 2020, 01:38:32 PM
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I do need bitcoin, this is one of the easiest ways to grow money without requiring referrals and gifting system which is called a Ponzi. There's a lot of Ponzi scheme around social media and we can't stop it. So I mainly focus on investing a lot of money in cryptocurrency because even it's volatile, it's guaranteed that the price will surely grow. There are a lot of investments and cryptocurrency is the one that I admire a lot.

So I guess bitcoin now has a great part on my life, since my course is somehow related to digital, I can easily discuss or explain the complex ideas about it and has the possibility to develop it. Bitcoin is one of the greatest inventions in the digital world, and that's the reason why I really like it and we need it as our society is going into digital right now.
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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
Do we need freedom? Do you want to earn freely? Do we need a low transaction fee and fast transaction compare to Fiat?
I think we would agree that we need it right, Some of us aren't using it because we are hiding something it is just a lot easier to earn in crypto compare to Fiat and we feel more secure when our money is on our encrypted wallet and on our control.
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In principle, now there is no urgent need for bitcoin, but what it seems to me will be the opposite
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I do need bitcoin, this is one of the easiest ways to grow money without requiring referrals and gifting system which is called a Ponzi.
Not a few people can make money from bitcoin in various way. Signature campaign, bounty program, airdrop, trade, investment, mining, and many other way are thing that can get bitcoin. Because bitcoin is an asset that has value, we can sell it on the trading platform into fiat currency and this is how most user get money from bitcoin.


So I mainly focus on investing a lot of money in cryptocurrency because even it's volatile, it's guaranteed that the price will surely grow. There are a lot of investments and cryptocurrency is the one that I admire a lot.
I think you are wrong, we never get a guarantee that the price of cryptocurrency will go up. If an investor is wrong in making investment choices in crypto, then I am sure they will get a failed investment.




OP, the world may never need bitcoin as a new currency that has many advantages over fiat, but many people here need it for various reason, especially regarding transaction convenience and fee.

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Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.
If you ask me I would say what we don’t need in this world are the bad people, but it’s hard to get rid of the people, they will always exist in this life. Imagine that there were only good people in this world, do you think any of them would be on the dark web trading and exchanging trash? No, they wouldn’t. It’s only bad people that you’re going to find on the dark web.

You yourself wouldn’t be there, that’s if you’re not one of those weird people. And you saying that people only use bitcoin for investment and money laundering is wrong. There are lots of people who use it for just transactions. I know a friend of mine that works remotely, the company he works for is in UK and they send him payment using Bitcoin.

We definitely need bitcoin payments. But most people are still using it for speculative reasons but when bitcoin reaches a stable value then they will get back to using it for payment reasons and from that point they will realizing the real need of bitcoins. Only people who realize all the potential of bitcoins plan up for long term holding of bitcoins.
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Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

The reason is that they are not getting benefits from cryptocurrency transactions. They can't collect taxes because it is centralized and its anonymity will really make them struggle on finding those transactions. Taxes from bitcoins are really the urge of some governments that's why they are legalizing it, but not all countries have that knowledge about bitcoin.

Mass adoption isn't enough. Governments must agree with the idea too. In fiat, if the central bank gets hacked, insurance will just make a case to get your money back.

In bitcoin, there's no such thing like that. The government is not responsible with your money or assets, they are not the one who will give back all of those losses once the bank gets hacked.

Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Fiat money is the most used currency in crimes or scams, especially that not all people are knowledgeable about the existence of bitcoin and other coins.

Some people only recognize fiat money and not cryptocurrency that is so complex and technical to hold.
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We did not really have the need for Bitcoin BUT it was worth it learning about it. Learning about Blockchain Technologies was really helpful understand how and why Bitcoin works. Bitcoin really helped a lot financially since the value of Bitcoin is really noticeable. There are already people using the Cryptocurrency Industry as their source of financial help and that is actually resourceful. Bitcoin taught us how to utilize available resources through hard work and patience.
We need bitcoin, we have seen several local currency crises and whenever this happens people buy dollars, gold and in a lesser amount they use bitcoin as well as a store of value, however what it is going to happen when the dollar collapses? While many people think of this as nothing but a dream of those that like alternative forms of money this will eventually happen as all fiat currencies of the world have eventually failed and when that happens people will understand very clearly why we need something like bitcoin.

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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.


--I need Bitcoin because i already earned enough profit since the day i learn about this market and how useful bitcoin is.

--I need Bitcoin because i use this to pay most of my bills,i even use this to buy paypal when times i need to transact abroad.

--I need Bitcoin because I know that one day this will Help me achieved my target growth and might change my life forever.

If this traits  are not enough for you?then it is you who has  a problem at all and not Bitcoin.
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July 24, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
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Yes I also like bitcoin. Because my first earning was from bitcoin and crypto currency. That's why have a special feelings for bitcoin.

Do we need bitcoin? I think it is yes, we need. I know many websites which accepts bitcoin as a payment. For example: Namecheap. I have hosting and domain on their. But my country doesn't support paypal and I also don't own a international card which I can use to pay the fees for the hosting. But yet I can pay them by using bitcoin. Like this you'll find so many example of real use in bitcoin.

I went to Saudi Arabia last year there I saw a supershop is accepting bitcoin as a payment method, also they have bitcoin atm machine there.

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Bitcoin is a currency started by developers that were interested in the idea of sending online payment without a central authority that would check the accounts. The idea and the whole thing (with Satoshi Nakamoto, blockchain technology etc) inspired many people to use it. And some of them, worked on it. Due to this big adoption and fixed supply, bitcoin went to moon. At least for a while, but it did. And right now it is high as well.

Well, do we need it? Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool. Black markets rebornt after the creation of bitcoin. I tried to convince someone to use it, but you know what? I couldn't. Why? Well, honest people don't afraid the central authority, in addition with the dishonest ones. Those who want something that is illegal, cannot do that. So they use bitcoin.

Governments don't want it and they wish they could prevent it, because they cannot track you easily, they cannot tax you, they ..., they ..., they...
Governments like censorship, and there is 0% censorship on bitcoin.

I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.

The world definitely can live without Bitcoin. A lot of countries could just stick in physical money and still continue to grow its economy without this bitcoin technology.

But bitcoin is already a great asset and could really help a lot of countries in a lot of ways, we are doing adaptation so that a lot of countries is going to realize that bitcoin technology is really big help and makes things easier like doing transactions, etc.

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Not everyone or every country need Bitcoin. But in my site, I need Bitcoin. Because, in this pandemic there is no option for me to making Money and maintaining my family. Now I'm jobless. Where my government unable to give me a job, there Bitcoin helps me a lot.
There are some country who don't accept Bitcoin. But there economy is good, Bitcoin has had no effect on those country's economy. So, In my opinion Bitcoin is need but nor for all.

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It depends on an individual perception because we do have a different stand regarding this matter and we cannot just push it through to prove that someone is right or wrong. Different perspectives are the ones making us diversified on what we think will suit our preference. For me, generally I do not think that we badly need Bitcoin for now because if we do so, then surely all people will get to engage on it with no ifs and no buts. But since we still have a choice on the way of living and have our own national currencies that we use to be able to survive our daily life needs, I think as for now, we do not really need Bitcoin that bad.

Yes we all do love having Bitcoins but other people doesn't like to have it. What varies in here is how do we find Bitcoin's importance making us to believe or not if we need it or not at all. The answer for this question will be two sided because we do have our own stand why we need it or not.
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Yes, we need Bitcoin.

The real deal with BTC ... why it's vital for a healthy free market and world-wide economy ... is simple, in the end.

For centuries, the power over who gets to manage and print the money switched from public hands to private hands, back and forth, at least half a dozen of times.
When it's in public hands, politicians get to abuse this right in order to ensure their re-election, among other possible drifts.
When it's in private hands, they abuse this right to serve their own purpose, whoever they may be. (The FED isn't the 1st US Central Bank.)

The USD is a privately issued currency since 1913.



Bitcoin gives us something special.
The ability to have money within no hands, public nor private, is something new.

Bitcoin is "no-one's money".
This is a new monetary paradigm. Never it has happened in the history of our civilization to benefit from such kind of money, not relying on any hands.
Not backed by any faith into any government.
It's only backed by the fact you can verify everything independently on your own, meaning you do not need to trust someone's word for that.



The USD is the Federal Reserve's money, which is a tool used in a much larger system simply called the "Federal Reserve System".


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve)

One of the perks of having a money system in no one's hands is the predictability of the behaviour of the system of money.
During this month of July, I can tell you that around 27900BTC are to be newly created.
Theoritically : 144 blocks / day * 6.25 BTC / block (reward) * 31 = 27900 BTC.
It can be a bit more, it can be a bit less, but it will never be twice that nor half that.



Can someone tell me with the same degree of certainty, how many USD have been/will be created in total during July 2020 ?

I think it will be rather difficult unless you're the chairman of the FED.

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BTC not any currency but surprisingly it's real money anyway.  It is actually  virtual asset in crypto & reason of this it is essential in the modern digital world. Its also decentralisation and  for everyone helps protect wealth in times of rebuild  government policies.

What if government shuts down all bitcoin-fiat gateways ?
Can you really use that wealth ?
I like Monero, its more decentralized and private.
But number of paths to convert it to fiat is so limited that it becomes concern.
Governments don't like Monero, so Coinbase and others don't even list Monero.
You can easily store value in Bitcoin only because governments allow Bitcoin and big investors are keeping it liquid.

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This is a very interesting question in my opinion, because if we need Bitcoin, the people are using Bitcoin should be above 50%.
But the fact that using Bitcoin until now is no more than 2%, in my opinion right now we really don't need it Bitcoin. But I'm sure
in the future we all need Bitcoin, because today most people still choose use cash money compared to digital currencies like Bitcoin.

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Yes we all do love having Bitcoins but other people doesn't like to have it. What varies in here is how do we find Bitcoin's importance making us to believe or not if we need it or not at all. The answer for this question will be two sided because we do have our own stand why we need it or not.
I like your explanation. Everyone has different views and needs, it influences his decision in determining whether bitcoin is really needed in his life or not. I as a freelancer, place bitcoin as an alternative in getting additional income through trading. For money transfer activities, I still use bank transfer in full, because the circle of ecosystems in my environment is still not familiar with bitcoin.
On the other hand, there must be someone who really needs bitcoin to make large money transfer transactions, saving time and effort because he can do it without a third-party intermediary. In general, I would say yes, we need bitcoin, either as an alternative or as a top choice, there are many advantages that we can use.

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July 28, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
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BTC not any currency but surprisingly it's real money anyway.  It is actually  virtual asset in crypto & reason of this it is essential in the modern digital world. Its also decentralisation and  for everyone helps protect wealth in times of rebuild  government policies.

What if government shuts down all bitcoin-fiat gateways ?
Can you really use that wealth ?
I like Monero, its more decentralized and private.
But number of paths to convert it to fiat is so limited that it becomes concern.
Governments don't like Monero, so Coinbase and others don't even list Monero.
You can easily store value in Bitcoin only because governments allow Bitcoin and big investors are keeping it liquid.
This is a big hurdle but as people begin to realize they have been deceived and that the fiat system only benefits a few people at the top I have no doubts we are going to begin to see people adopting bitcoin and exchanging directly even if they still use the value of bitcoin in fiat as a reference, this will be a huge paradigm shift and most likely we will need a huge crisis for this to happen but the more you think about it the day that crisis will come is getting closer as governments keep printing money in order to solve their problems.

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July 28, 2020, 10:11:54 PM
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the moment the governments of the world figure out an easier way to transfer LEGAL funds in between borders, that day the world will not need bitcoin FOR ME, as in my own experience, that's what I've used bitcoin for ever since I discovered it, to transfer funds to and from different countries for low fees.

Hiding is a nice plus, I see why some people see the appeal to it, but to imply that it's the main driver is a short sighted, kind of ignorant position to take when talking about bitcoin. If you made your way into this forum, bother a bit about learning the ins and outs of bitcoins, even if just generally, and you'll see how much MORE bitcoin is than "hiding taxes/criminal activity from the government!"
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Here there are differences in views because some are disadvantaged because of central authority and some are not. Your question is where the creation of transactions to avoid or not use central authority, then the currency needs to be the value of the transaction so bitcoin is necessary. Blockchain technology can be used as any transparent transaction, be it currency or data. Here indeed most people do not use bitcoin for transactions in general, why does that happen?

That is because the bitcoin situation does not support, first, the lack of bitcoin acceptance of goods and services. Second, transaction fees are more expensive and will continue to increase depending on the miner. Third, the higher the value makes the user think to make it an asset. fourth. anonymous use

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People who need bitcoin because those who understand and truly understand bitcoin better and deeper about bitcoin, and besides that they most likely have experienced the benefits of bitcoin results that make them believe.
and there are also people who don't believe in bitcoin on the grounds that they don't know more about the benefits and advantages of bitcoin, and the very sacred reason is that there has been fraud and is still illegal and there are many other reasons that make them not believe in bitcoin .
and I personally really need bitcoin because it has made my life better, especially in the economic and financial fields.

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July 29, 2020, 11:55:20 AM
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People who need bitcoin because those who understand and truly understand bitcoin better and deeper about bitcoin, and besides that they most likely have experienced the benefits of bitcoin results that make them believe.
and there are also people who don't believe in bitcoin on the grounds that they don't know more about the benefits and advantages of bitcoin, and the very sacred reason is that there has been fraud and is still illegal and there are many other reasons that make them not believe in bitcoin .
and I personally really need bitcoin because it has made my life better, especially in the economic and financial fields.
Many people change the economy with bitcoin even now they still need future investment tools so those who believe in the true benefits of bitcoin, I'm sure people who don't trust their bitcoins are afraid of failure or have been trapped in bitcoin so can no longer be trusted for them.
I am more confident that bitcoin in the future will be more beneficial than gold.

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July 29, 2020, 10:45:00 PM
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Do we need bitcoin?, Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool
Although alot of people use it for the bad reasons, but the percentage of people using it the right purpose is more,and yes we do need bitcoin, since it has become part of our daily life, I really can't imagine the world without bitcoin now Smiley,bitcoin has made life so easy for most of us, especially for people in the third tier countries where doing any transaction outside the country is pretty hard, it takes some days or maybe a week for one to be able to send money to anyone outside their country, but with bitcoin transactions have been made easy without the middle man (the bank).

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Although alot of people use it for the bad reasons, but the percentage of people using it the right purpose is more,and yes we do need bitcoin, since it has become part of our daily life, I really can't imagine the world without bitcoin now Smiley,bitcoin has made life so easy for most of us, especially for people in the third tier countries where doing any transaction outside the country is pretty hard, it takes some days or maybe a week for one to be able to send money to anyone outside their country, but with bitcoin transactions have been made easy without the middle man (the bank).

Yes it may be advantage on p2p from one country to another. This is one of the benefit having the bitcoin. Aside from that as mention about the transaction cost from service fee of the banks and remittances would relatively higher than to using bitcoin. However, there are also problems when it comes to acquiring bitcoin and that is by doing KYC. Most of exchanges are doing KYC on all of their users. And sometimes collect higher fees when converting fiat to bitcoin due to tax implemented by the government from their set rules and regulations for the safety of the users in that exchanges.
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Do we need bitcoin?, Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool
Although alot of people use it for the bad reasons, but the percentage of people using it the right purpose is more,and yes we do need bitcoin, since it has become part of our daily life, I really can't imagine the world without bitcoin now Smiley,bitcoin has made life so easy for most of us, especially for people in the third tier countries where doing any transaction outside the country is pretty hard, it takes some days or maybe a week for one to be able to send money to anyone outside their country, but with bitcoin transactions have been made easy without the middle man (the bank).

There are people who using bitcoin in illegal ways but it doesn't mean that bitcoin can only be used in bad ways. Nowadays, it is good to see that there are now many bitcoin ATM'S in different countries. Merchants and businesses are now also accepting bitcoin as payment because of its characteristics which is decentralized. Banks before do not give care about bitcoin but now they are considering the blockchain technology as important because they know that it can improve the current payment system that we have.
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Do we need bitcoin?, Because, I can see that people use it only as an investment or as a money laundering tool
Although alot of people use it for the bad reasons, but the percentage of people using it the right purpose is more,and yes we do need bitcoin, since it has become part of our daily life, I really can't imagine the world without bitcoin now Smiley,bitcoin has made life so easy for most of us, especially for people in the third tier countries where doing any transaction outside the country is pretty hard, it takes some days or maybe a week for one to be able to send money to anyone outside their country, but with bitcoin transactions have been made easy without the middle man (the bank).


the character of each person is always different in exposing the existence of bitcoin, it is understandable that people have the connotation that having bitcoin is only for investment and more extreme as a money laundering tool. we cannot avoid all of these facts, but we must also be realistic in responding to something else from the existence of bitcoin.

many people are helped by the existence of bitcoin that we cannot deny and that is the reality that exists today.
by only working at home especially in a pandemic like this, we can make money to make ends meet. many people have been helped by the existence of this bitcoin, because the benefits obtained are quite tempting and the convenience obtained from bitcoin is also very real.
what is more important is that it is true that the existence of bitcoin makes it easy for people to give things to one another only through the bitcoin network without the relationship of the bank and authorization matters.
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July 30, 2020, 10:56:55 AM
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This is a very interesting question in my opinion, because if we need Bitcoin, the people are using Bitcoin should be above 50%.
But the fact that using Bitcoin until now is no more than 2%, in my opinion right now we really don't need it Bitcoin. But I'm sure
in the future we all need Bitcoin, because today most people still choose use cash money compared to digital currencies like Bitcoin.


I don't know the basis of this percentage but I think it is not the use of it but the possible profit of it that we need.

I know that not all of us would be having the same interest of investing in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrencies but as we see the price increasing, the interest of investors also increases. They might not be needed right now but in the future, it might be. We can't really compare cash to Bitcoin nowadays in terms of need but some people actually get profits from it getting cash from it they can use.
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I personally believe and like Bitcoin; However, in my country, bitcoin is not legalized in the state, we can not use it in real life. We can easily meet the daily demand with bitcoin if it is legalized by the Government.
A lot of governments are opposing bitcoin from very long time, maybe due to the anonymous nature of the network, but now a days a lot of countries are legalising and adapting to the bitcoin demand in their country and legalising it. The opposing governments are actually missing a lot and they are not promoting development into the future by rejecting block-chain, the same happened in India also but the people and the block-chain related companies filed a case in the court which ultimately lead to the removal of ban and now India is also one of those countries where bitcoin is legal. Bitcoin is really necessary in those countries where a lot of censorship is there and people are oppressed.

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July 30, 2020, 10:53:46 PM
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A lot of governments are opposing bitcoin from very long time, maybe due to the anonymous nature of the network, but now a days a lot of countries are legalising and adapting to the bitcoin demand in their country and legalising it. The opposing governments are actually missing a lot and they are not promoting development into the future by rejecting block-chain, the same happened in India also but the people and the block-chain related companies filed a case in the court which ultimately lead to the removal of ban and now India is also one of those countries where bitcoin is legal. Bitcoin is really necessary in those countries where a lot of censorship is there and people are oppressed.
The government just really want the safety of all the consumers of bitcoin or its community. Simply there are complain among users wherein bitcoin was tag or being used as a medium for scamming. Abuses is rampant and many were falling even the old tricks of scamming. Bitcoin also could not be integrated to government system because it is completely opposite to the government system being the decentralized system.
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Do we (the world) need bitcoin?

Bitcoin is not really a necessity like the basic needs but it is a social need that address a particular problem in the world. The world needs Bitcoin to address a specific problem or gap in the financial ecosystem.  The financial ecosystem is really tired with the centralized system. People needs the financial freedom to make transactions without difficulties, and bitcoin and cryptocurrency brings that financial freedom.
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Do we (the world) need bitcoin?
Bitcoin is not really a necessity like the basic needs but it is a social need that address a particular problem in the world. The world needs Bitcoin to address a specific problem or gap in the financial ecosystem.  The financial ecosystem is really tired with the centralized system. People needs the financial freedom to make transactions without difficulties, and bitcoin and cryptocurrency brings that financial freedom.
Agree. People are looking into something that will defeat the centralized system on money because obviously it's being controlled by those who are in position. In a decentralized system, we are entitled and empowered to do such thing on the system freely and can even make a contribution to it. That's the main reason why we need bitcoin, because of its decentralized feature. And of course, we can easily transact everywhere with the use of internet and that's very interesting for those who are techy.
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Do we (the world) need bitcoin?

Bitcoin is not really a necessity like the basic needs but it is a social need that address a particular problem in the world. The world needs Bitcoin to address a specific problem or gap in the financial ecosystem.  The financial ecosystem is really tired with the centralized system. People needs the financial freedom to make transactions without difficulties, and bitcoin and cryptocurrency brings that financial freedom.
Even though bitcoin doesn't need by many and even some countries restraining bitcoin by the government but in terms of financial status somehow it could help mostly the individual. Also other countries adopting bitcoin and it's realizes them how this crypto really works. Indeed not a necessity but the fact is it helping many users in this era times.
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This is naturally a matter of great joy because those who have invested in Bitcoin always want the price of Bitcoin to rise as much as possible. But now it remains to be seen how long it will last. For those who have invested in Ethereum, this is a time of great joy as Ethereum's price has risen to $300+. Hopefully it will go up sooner rather than later.


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Do we (the world) need bitcoin?

Bitcoin is not really a necessity like the basic needs but it is a social need that address a particular problem in the world. The world needs Bitcoin to address a specific problem or gap in the financial ecosystem.  The financial ecosystem is really tired with the centralized system. People needs the financial freedom to make transactions without difficulties, and bitcoin and cryptocurrency brings that financial freedom.

I also completely agree with you.
People are always excited in making money through various ways.
Now we are in an era where Bitcoins are not unknown for many people.
Bitcoins are became the primary source of income and investment for many people now a days.
Not only this, Bitcoins are also a major way of payment method in various popular sites.
I guess these reasons are enough for the OP to understand, why we need Bitcoins.

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A lot of governments are opposing bitcoin from very long time, maybe due to the anonymous nature of the network, but now a days a lot of countries are legalising and adapting to the bitcoin demand in their country and legalising it. The opposing governments are actually missing a lot and they are not promoting development into the future by rejecting block-chain, the same happened in India also but the people and the block-chain related companies filed a case in the court which ultimately lead to the removal of ban and now India is also one of those countries where bitcoin is legal. Bitcoin is really necessary in those countries where a lot of censorship is there and people are oppressed.
The government just really want the safety of all the consumers of bitcoin or its community. Simply there are complain among users wherein bitcoin was tag or being used as a medium for scamming. Abuses is rampant and many were falling even the old tricks of scamming. Bitcoin also could not be integrated to government system because it is completely opposite to the government system being the decentralized system.
Bitcoin related scams are just a small part of the scamming industry and still government think that bitcoin is the only thing that the scammers want. A lot of people do carding and stuff but no one is banning the credit cards from being used. As you said that bitcoin can't be controlled by the government and this is the only reason why government isn't accepting bitcoin as an investment or a payment method or legalising it. This is the loss of its citizens only when the government is banning cryptocurrencies as it is creating a lot of jobs around the globe and the future of the financial systems will also be built on blockchain only, so why not legalise it now rather than doing it later.

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Do we (the world) need bitcoin?

Bitcoin is not really a necessity like the basic needs but it is a social need that address a particular problem in the world. The world needs Bitcoin to address a specific problem or gap in the financial ecosystem.  The financial ecosystem is really tired with the centralized system. People needs the financial freedom to make transactions without difficulties, and bitcoin and cryptocurrency brings that financial freedom.
I would agree with you. Since we are aware and have already recognized the essence of bitcoin, we're starting to need it since it gives us a benefit that we are looking for. But for people who still have not understood or realized what bitcoin or crypto can do, it's not that important.

Generally, we can still live without bitcoin, but living is not just about basic human needs. We are living where we are surrounded by the centralized system and bitcoin is one of the things that give us freedom from it.
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A lot of governments are opposing bitcoin from very long time, maybe due to the anonymous nature of the network, but now a days a lot of countries are legalising and adapting to the bitcoin demand in their country and legalising it. The opposing governments are actually missing a lot and they are not promoting development into the future by rejecting block-chain, the same happened in India also but the people and the block-chain related companies filed a case in the court which ultimately lead to the removal of ban and now India is also one of those countries where bitcoin is legal. Bitcoin is really necessary in those countries where a lot of censorship is there and people are oppressed.
The government just really want the safety of all the consumers of bitcoin or its community. Simply there are complain among users wherein bitcoin was tag or being used as a medium for scamming. Abuses is rampant and many were falling even the old tricks of scamming. Bitcoin also could not be integrated to government system because it is completely opposite to the government system being the decentralized system.
Bitcoin related scams are just a small part of the scamming industry and still government think that bitcoin is the only thing that the scammers want. A lot of people do carding and stuff but no one is banning the credit cards from being used. As you said that bitcoin can't be controlled by the government and this is the only reason why government isn't accepting bitcoin as an investment or a payment method or legalising it. This is the loss of its citizens only when the government is banning cryptocurrencies as it is creating a lot of jobs around the globe and the future of the financial systems will also be built on blockchain only, so why not legalise it now rather than doing it later.
If the government acknowledged the use of it, people will be aware of its capabilities and it will be easy to differentiate a scam platform that uses crypto. This is one of the reasons why some people don't trust bitcoin because of those ponzi who uses it on their platform and just scamming people. They should know about it and how does the market of crypto works, I believe it's important to avoid wrong perspective on it.

The use of cryptocurrency is creating as a lot of opportunity and that can be used to develop our country. They should think about the positive side of it, and they should admit that it can help the economy growth.
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August 02, 2020, 02:23:32 PM
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If the government acknowledged the use of it, people will be aware of its capabilities and it will be easy to differentiate a scam platform that uses crypto. This is one of the reasons why some people don't trust bitcoin because of those ponzi who uses it on their platform and just scamming people. They should know about it and how does the market of crypto works, I believe it's important to avoid wrong perspective on it.

The use of cryptocurrency is creating as a lot of opportunity and that can be used to develop our country. They should think about the positive side of it, and they should admit that it can help the economy growth.

This is really one of the main problems we are facing, the image of bitcoin as something being used only for scams and ponzi's, it is also because of other people seeing bitcoin as a scam just because they failed in trading, or they've been scammed a few times. It is their own fault anyways, they failed to gather knowledge first before jumping into anything, they taught they will be rich just because someone told them they will be. Now that they've been scammed, their word of mouth made other people believe this lie too. Even those who aren't even know what btc and blockchain mean.

Seminars and workshops about bitcoin and blockchain can help. We have to spread the knowledge about this technology. We have to let people know that the scam and ponzi's here are just a small percentage compared to the things this technology can offer.

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August 02, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
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the moment the governments of the world figure out an easier way to transfer LEGAL funds in between borders, that day the world will not need bitcoin FOR ME, as in my own experience, that's what I've used bitcoin for ever since I discovered it, to transfer funds to and from different countries for low fees.

Hiding is a nice plus, I see why some people see the appeal to it, but to imply that it's the main driver is a short sighted, kind of ignorant position to take when talking about bitcoin. If you made your way into this forum, bother a bit about learning the ins and outs of bitcoins, even if just generally, and you'll see how much MORE bitcoin is than "hiding taxes/criminal activity from the government!"
That is a good point but probably the best selling point for bitcoin is your ability to be your own bank and to be able to transact and send money all over the world without the need of a third party allowing your transaction to go through, this is revolutionary and this is why bitcoin is described often as digital cash because when you are using cash you do not really need the permission of anyone to spend it in whatever you want and that gives you unlimited freedom to do whatever you want with your money.

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August 02, 2020, 09:28:10 PM
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     Look sir, it's not that I don't get your point but Bitcoin being the way it is, I think you only see a fraction of what people use it for or need it for. Just because a person uses bitcoin, doesn't mean that they are about to or doing something illegal. Some people just want a bit of privacy while others use this industry for a living, an investment, a more practical way of sending money overseas, or for an extra source of income. You see, just like money, it only turns bad when it is used for bad. The same goes for bitcoins or any other coins in this industry. But if literally speaking, the world doesn't really need bitcoins.

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August 02, 2020, 11:50:50 PM
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You are a very confused person. You contradict yourself constantly. You like walking paradox. You say you like bitcoin but then say the world doesn't need it and it's only used to hide things? WTF??

Hide things??  You sound like the kind of person that believes in what the media tells us about the darkweb.

You have brought no facts out about people using bitcoins to hide things so there is nothing to isprove and therefore no reason to "prove you otherwise"

Scams happen with fiat all day long since it began and still happen. It is much easier to scam someone out of their fiat then with their crypto. You should already know this. The goverments for example loves fiat because noone can trace where their tax money actually went. If we all used bitcoin we could trace our bitcoin and see where our tax was spent. The goverment doesn't want that. They like to do as they please with our tax money and piss it away. Some countries have goverments that commit criminal acts and bascially paying tax supports these criminal acts so....
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August 10, 2020, 05:19:32 PM
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I think that cryptocurrencies are needed in the world, they are very useful and can help the current economy. I am one of the people who have always supported the use of cryptocurrencies, people should use at least one cryptocurrencies platform. The platform that i use is MintMe, this platform offers people a series of tools that range from making and receiving donations to being able to start an entrepreneurship, who would not want to be able to start a entrepreneurship? This platform is the one indicated if you are thinking of starting a entrepreneurship and the best of all this is that you can monetize your entrepreneurship through tokens.
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August 10, 2020, 07:47:20 PM
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I like bitcoin, a lot. But I don't think that this world needs it. Except if they want to hide something. Prove me wrong.
There are clear advantages to using Bitcoin, as payments can be completed around the clock, seven days a week, all over the world, even in the absence of banking systems, and international payments using Bitcoin are faster and cheaper than traditional bank payments.
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August 11, 2020, 01:20:49 AM
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the moment the governments of the world figure out an easier way to transfer LEGAL funds in between borders, that day the world will not need bitcoin FOR ME, as in my own experience, that's what I've used bitcoin for ever since I discovered it, to transfer funds to and from different countries for low fees.

Hiding is a nice plus, I see why some people see the appeal to it, but to imply that it's the main driver is a short sighted, kind of ignorant position to take when talking about bitcoin. If you made your way into this forum, bother a bit about learning the ins and outs of bitcoins, even if just generally, and you'll see how much MORE bitcoin is than "hiding taxes/criminal activity from the government!"
That is a good point but probably the best selling point for bitcoin is your ability to be your own bank and to be able to transact and send money all over the world without the need of a third party allowing your transaction to go through, this is revolutionary and this is why bitcoin is described often as digital cash because when you are using cash you do not really need the permission of anyone to spend it in whatever you want and that gives you unlimited freedom to do whatever you want with your money.
As you have said, we can transact it is either we send or receive bitcoin all around the world. As we can see today, we are facing crisis because of the pandemic. So using bitcoin as a payment method when buying something or making transaction is way convinient and safer than going outside and make transaction with banks. I can say that bitcoin is created to make our life easier in different ways. You can make transaction wherever you are and you can send or receive bitcoin all around the world using only internet and your device.
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August 11, 2020, 03:53:44 AM
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Such a philosophy can lead you into the "non-climbing jungle" - you will confuse yourself. My and your worries about money laundering through Bitcoin are not interesting to anyone. The only interesting thing is that here and now you can make money on cryptocurrency. I will say more - Bitcoin is not bypassed, this is a miracle thanks to which many people have found hope. Hope because this money cannot be reached by officials-thieves, who, thanks to our money with you, build villas for themselves, buy planes and yachts. And while it will be so - bitcoin is necessary. Here you just need to decide - you believe in Bitcoin, or you do not need it.
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August 11, 2020, 07:10:09 AM
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The government does not like the use of the bitcoin because they don't have the full 100 percent handle and monitoring on this transaction those are the things they don't want because this may use transferring a large number of funds without knowing the real sender and also they want to make it sure there are no hidden transactions right there. The bitcoin is not bad actually into the world of the market right now few of the members of the business are makes an investment regarding with this coin because they saw the potential of it at the same time they are now using this coin as a method of payment which is more convenient but right now only a few businesses accept this kind of payment.

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August 11, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
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Bitcoin is a store of value and the main indicator of the industry, we cant live without it

I don't get the idea that we cannot live without bitcoin. Will you die if there is no bitcoin?
Life does not depends on bitcoin bro.  Grin

dont take hin seriously , he is just joking . its true that bitcoin is a store of value but not the main indicator of the industry  . there are other more important things out there  that serves as an indicator of the industry  .

 laslty you can still be able to live without it because there are replacements to btc and before btc they are already there . money is im talking to and i can say that we can die without money because we cant buy our foods and meds .
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Bitcoin is a store of value and the main indicator of the industry, we cant live without it

I don't get the idea that we cannot live without bitcoin. Will you die if there is no bitcoin?
Life does not depends on bitcoin bro.  Grin

dont take hin seriously , he is just joking .

Well, It doesn't seem to me that he is joking. You can tell by how he wrote his reply that he is serious. Grin
In fact I'm the one that is joking when I said about dying without bitcoin, but it makes sense. Tongue
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Bitcoin is a store of value and the main indicator of the industry, we cant live without it

I don't get the idea that we cannot live without bitcoin. Will you die if there is no bitcoin?
Life does not depends on bitcoin bro.  Grin

dont take hin seriously , he is just joking .

Well, It doesn't seem to me that he is joking. You can tell by how he wrote his reply that he is serious. Grin
In fact I'm the one that is joking when I said about dying without bitcoin, but it makes sense. Tongue
LOL, yeah it makes sense when all money was invested to bitcoin pretty sure you cannot live without it because you will be needing it when you will be short in financial aspect. Many had told that bitcoin is not a basic need so we can really live without it but because of the love of this technology and the exaggeration of others stating about so now this is the product of it. Anyway, we should not let them also forget that because of the love of bitcoin truly we can say that the bitcoin system had gone so far now when it comes to technology development, adaptation and probable for community consumption in the future.
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I only see from the advancement of bitcoin technology that can be needed by every human being because in today's digital era everyone needs something practical, namely in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, bitcoin has a requirement to become a digital currency that can be used by every human being. running. every transaction without being restricted by this less profitable government,
with all the conveniences we get from bitcoin it's not wrong in my opinion we need Bitcoin,

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Maybe the whole world cannot see it yet, but many people has faith with Bitcoin for a long time.
It has been part of lives of the many and provided them many benefits. And I think that matters the most.
Long before Bitcoin, fraud and money laundering has been happening so it is not a fault to be taken.


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Frankly speaking, we don't need bitcoin if we don't have usage for it as bitcoin was created with a purpose. And for the governments, most of them didn't consider bitcoin as necessity
as they can't control it and what is worst they have a problem in putting a tax to it.

Most of the governments wants to have a control with regards to the money that are circulating in their teritory either it is fiat or crypto that is why China and other countries are
starting to create their own currencies while preparing for the future where fiat will be fully replace by crypto. Having their own currency will guarantee them that they have control
to it and they can easily put a taxes to their people under their governance.
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I only see from the advancement of bitcoin technology that can be needed by every human being because in today's digital era everyone needs something practical, namely in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, bitcoin has a requirement to become a digital currency that can be used by every human being. running. every transaction without being restricted by this less profitable government,
with all the conveniences we get from bitcoin it's not wrong in my opinion we need Bitcoin,

Practical in terms of the current situation, but looking way to its characteristics, it isn't really practical to use bitcoin for daily transactions. Perhaps, for trading and investment, it is good because of its noticeable high volatility. What I hope for in the future is for the price to spike high and remain stable. Therefore it could be available for anyone to use to transact for product or services they want. 

With regards to government regulation, the development of bitcoin from other country who already accepts it (for me,) will be the reason why other country should accept bitcoin as well. It is now the new revolution of currency for international payments and it opens up tons of opportunity as well especially when reducing payment rates for international transactions.
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I only see from the advancement of bitcoin technology that can be needed by every human being because in today's digital era everyone needs something practical, namely in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, bitcoin has a requirement to become a digital currency that can be used by every human being. running. every transaction without being restricted by this less profitable government,
with all the conveniences we get from bitcoin it's not wrong in my opinion we need Bitcoin,

Practical in terms of the current situation, but looking way to its characteristics, it isn't really practical to use bitcoin for daily transactions. Perhaps, for trading and investment, it is good because of its noticeable high volatility. What I hope for in the future is for the price to spike high and remain stable. Therefore it could be available for anyone to use to transact for product or services they want. 

With regards to government regulation, the development of bitcoin from other country who already accepts it (for me,) will be the reason why other country should accept bitcoin as well. It is now the new revolution of currency for international payments and it opens up tons of opportunity as well especially when reducing payment rates for international transactions.
Even if there are a lot of disadvantages that the crypto currency has and there are a lot of advantages that the fiat can do rather than the crypto currency, there are still advantages that the crypto currency can do and it can also help the economical status and money related services of each and every country if and only if it will be impose someday. For example it can can help money related transactions to become easier and convenient.

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August 12, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
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what we need is safety of our money,which can make our money is really money .evryone is sure that the world printing money faster than what we worked.so we need bitcoin to beat currency devaluation.
Of course everyone clearly needs money, because with money we can do anything that is clearly related to the interests of our lives. without money, of course everything will be difficult to do because everything is proven that what we do and we need is connected to money. but it is not that easy for people to print money to make ends meet because it must be adjusted with existing foreign exchange reserves.

I agree that Bitcoin is certainly eagerly awaited for this money replacement because the ease with which it is obtained and done with Bitcoin makes the separation that occurs can be trimmed. currently the need for bitcoin is of course very necessary but how can bitcoin be recognized as a legal tool in all countries to make it easier of course it takes time for that.

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Unfortunately, this good currency was used for bad things, and this affected its acceptance by governments, but certainly we need to apply this currency in all countries because its advantages are many and it reduces the price difference between currencies in different countries and helps to improve the economy of countries and cancel the central role
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for investment purposes "YES" that's true, besides that Bitcoin is also used for crypto trading, many people have benefited (including me). times are getting more modern and will be completely digital. like it or not, surely the world will recognize bitcoin and accept it (unless the world you mean). ETH and other cryptos were born because of Bitcoin, they are trying to compete with Bitcoin. If Bitcoin didn't exist, it's likely that other cryptos wouldn't exist either.
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August 12, 2020, 03:27:45 PM
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for investment purposes "YES" that's true, besides that Bitcoin is also used for crypto trading, many people have benefited (including me). times are getting more modern and will be completely digital. like it or not, surely the world will recognize bitcoin and accept it (unless the world you mean). ETH and other cryptos were born because of Bitcoin, they are trying to compete with Bitcoin. If Bitcoin didn't exist, it's likely that other cryptos wouldn't exist either.
I think Bitcoin is not a place to invest in the long term because as the creators of this topic say "do we need bitcoin?" I think what we need is a blockchain system not bitcoin
Bitcoin is not as physical as gold and is not backed up with real money or goods
This is my prediction that one day bitcoin will not be valuable and will be replaced by a cryptocurrency that is recognized by all countries and also has better blockchains in terms of transaction speed and transaction fees.
so what we need in my opinion is the bitcoin system, not the bitcoin
if I am wrong, please correct it as this is just my opinion

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Let's move backward to those years before Bitcoin came out. Within that years, jobs and businesses are not so digitalized but I guess the economy are just doing fine here in my country. So, I believe we can really live without Bitcoin.
But how? For those people who've been living since the day it came out until now, I don't think it would be easy for them to live without it. For others, it serves as bread and butter and its really difficult for them to lose it. Bitcoin is the most valuable cyrptocurrency and can be converted into fiat anytime we need to. There's already selected countries who legalized it because their Government believes that it could help the people as well as their economy. To others, this may have brought negative thoughts but it isn't enough to think that Bitcoin is really not good. There's a saying that goes, "We cannot please everybody". So, let's just leave it to them and respect their views about it. As long as Bitcoin exists and we are still believing and trusting it, gaining profits/benefited from it, then the world definitely needs it.
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I have passion in bitcoin because bitcoin it's decentralized and know arm's of government or agency that has authority over bitcoin,therefore cryptoccurrency transaction or business, the business is what you can control by yourself without involving government through license or permit letter for establishment,that's the reason today bitcoin keep on expanding to the world. But that does mean without bitcoin people can't survive in their domain.
At this point we need bitcoin for business transaction's because many has adventure into bitcoin business and also using bitcoin as source of living, so dragging or bringing bitcoin back will caused a lot harm to people in their societies because of their capitals invested in cryptocurrencies network.

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With the traditional currency countries have begun to print on their own without anything backing the currency. This has made the currencies just a printed paper, maybe if it has got the limitations it could've served good. Right now people want the hard earnings to be secure and stay without getting into any major collapse as few country currencies experienced in recent months. Bitcoin being limited in supply when demand counts automatically the value increases. This way even the smaller denomination of bitcoin will get valued.

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Yes, without any doubt. Because Bitcoin is giving us the opportunity to do which we can't do earlier with security of ours own. It is a tremendous feature of Bitcoin.

I can pay by using Bitcoin now which I can't because of not involving with it. Now we can also think a cashless society if we can ensure the proper use of Bitcoin.

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That's the problem while some people think bitcoin is like a double-edged sword. In a government transparency has its own limits and not all can be transparent. In fact, for a tax, the government can do it if they work together, for example, on a local exchanger. The problem is bitcoin is decentral, while the government wants to be central where all actions can be controlled and not in a negative direction such as money laundering, black market and others.

Cryptocurrency is still in the development stage and hopefully in the near future there is a cryptocurrency that will change everyone's view for the better


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Yep, people always wants to hide something, but it all depends on what they are hiding. It’s not everyone that is making use of Bitcoin that is bad. Just like me, all my life I don’t even know what the dark web looks like and I’m not interested in knowing, I just mind my business and I’m not a bad guy lol. So, everybody is not the same. And there are people who like making use of cryptocurrency because the fees that banks and other transfer agencies charges them are too much.

It’s just like me, if I’m about to send money abroad, don’t expect me to go the bank and start filling papers and paying high fees to make use of Western Union, I can’t do that when I have Bitcoin and can simply just use my mobile wallet to send the money in a minute.
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Cash is more often used in money laundering and do you think that cash isn't even used for illegal activities? It's even the most used currency for those methods and this taboo about bitcoin must be changed.

Bitcoin is very much welcome in commercial use and from the perspective of being used illegally, that's changing into the mainstream day by day. It doesn't mean you use bitcoin because you are into illegal activities. You use bitcoin because you know that it's a good investment and a good alternative payment method.
There are several statements that have made bitcoin's image not good, including they say bitcoin is for illegal transactions. that's not a pretty statement but it destroys bitcoin. when in fact bitcoin can be used for positive things such as payments, purchases etc. on several e-commerce sites. we must be able to try to help eliminate the bitcoin statement that bitcoin is not illegal and can be used for positive things
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Yes, without any doubt. Because Bitcoin is giving us the opportunity to do which we can't do earlier with security of ours own. It is a tremendous feature of Bitcoin.

I can pay by using Bitcoin now which I can't because of not involving with it. Now we can also think a cashless society if we can ensure the proper use of Bitcoin.

Some part what you did say is right.
But i am not in favour of the thing is that, we can use bitcoin to leave in a cashless society.
First of all Bitcoin is now also illegal in many countries.
So many people storing their Bitcoins by hiding it from the government.
Moreover ther are many other mode of payments which are also available and are genuinely approved by government to use upon.
I can say Bitcoin is just like a Secret treasure that we can store and gradually the price of it will also increase with the increase in time.
Nevertheless the opinion of different people varies.
So it's better to depend upon our fortune.

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August 16, 2020, 03:05:53 AM
Last edit: August 16, 2020, 03:19:54 AM by DeadCoin
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Bitcoin has helped me a lot as well often in daily needs. In addition to my own family, my friends are also learned to participate in the goal with Bitcoin's party through my own efforts to educate them. Perhaps, I can't deny this opportunity to others because I only found this stage of knowledge in one friend who wanted to help me in terms of poverty, and because of him, I became a part. for now, I think this is my duty while staying at home so that the coronavirus disease still has no evidence that it is really gone with the wind.
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August 16, 2020, 06:01:39 AM
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it all depends on where you live. If you spend most of your life on the internet, bitcoin is a must
but if you more often live in the real world, in traditional markets, on the streets, bitcoin is not a good choice to be a medium of transactions
although there is a bitcoin ATM machine, physical currency is more convenient
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August 17, 2020, 04:36:52 AM
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Of course we need Bitcoin. Bitcoin has a role to play not only in transactions but also in meeting daily needs bitcoins can be used to buy merchandise in person. Additionally, international payments are easier and cheaper because Bitcoins are not tied to any country and help you eliminate currency conversion fees. There are no credit card fees so small businesses can choose them. Some people just buy Bitcoins as an investment hoping they will be worth it.
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August 17, 2020, 07:53:12 AM
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Yes we need bitcoin if you want a fast transaction in buying stuffs online and also for international payment. Bitcoin makes it possible to transfer value anywhere in a very easy way and it allows you to be in control of your money. Such great features also come with great security concerns. At the same time, Bitcoin can provide very high levels of security if used correctly.
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