[SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) [dispute settled]

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I messaged Steve & told him he’s going to have to do more to satisfy some people on this by the way.

Edit - Just looked, he hasn’t been online since 7am ish so he won’t have seen my PM yet.

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[neymarjr12]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

[LFC_Bitcoin]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

The dude at the bottom is a scammer, he got banned as game-protect. Do not send him any information at all. Just so you believe me -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260668.msg54863330#msg54863330

To be honest I didn’t really want to say but most of the people supporting efialtis flag are suspected alts of this scumbag.

What he used to do as game-protect was charge people like yourself for supposed legal action & advice against casinos. He obviously would never get any money back.

But yeah, looking out for you here, do not send him any personal info.

[nutildah]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

Bro. This really isn't necessary and you should be very careful who you give this info to. You might even have people pop up out of nowhere asking you for this now. The last person in your list is a bought account that is being used to stir up drama among different casinos (not just sportsbet) and probably doesn't have the best intentions in mind.

I don't understand how this is going to help. Maybe somebody is an expert at digital forensics and can verify if a document is legit or not, but then what? That doesn't necessarily disprove multi-accounting.

It's better to wait for additional clarification from Steve or another official Sportsbet rep on this situation.

I don't think Sportsbet would risk sullying their reputation on the forum for 0.3 BTC unless they strongly believed they were in the right.

[neymarjr12]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

The dude at the bottom is a scammer, he got banned as game-protect. Do not send him any information at all. Just so you believe me -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260668.msg54863330#msg54863330

To be honest I didn’t really want to say but most of the people supporting efialtis flag are suspected alts of this scumbag.

What he used to do as game-protect was charge people like yourself for supposed legal action & advice against casinos. He obviously would never get any money back.

But yeah, looking out for you here, do not send him any personal info.

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

[mindrust]

I don't understand how this is going to help. Maybe somebody is an expert at digital forensics and can verify if a document is legit or not, but then what? That doesn't necessarily disprove multi-accounting.

Right, we still won't be able to know if the OP was multi accounting but it will tell us something else which is,

that sportsbet.io are liars that don't accept valid KYC documents.

That means they can use KYC as a weapon > scam enabler.

[neymarjr12]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

Bro. This really isn't necessary and you should be very careful who you give this info to. You might even have people pop up out of nowhere asking you for this now. The last person in your list is a bought account that is being used to stir up drama among different casinos (not just sportsbet) and probably doesn't have the best intentions in mind.

I don't understand how this is going to help. Maybe somebody is an expert at digital forensics and can verify if a document is legit or not, but then what? That doesn't necessarily disprove multi-accounting.

It's better to wait for additional clarification from Steve or another official Sportsbet rep on this situation.

I don't think Sportsbet would risk sullying their reputation on the forum for 0.3 BTC unless they strongly believed they were in the right.

Steve wrote that:
1) My KYC "was not passed".
2) Sportsbet requested this KYC "to be extra sure in this case", meaning that if I actually passed KYC, they would not be extra sure that I was "multi accounting".

If I prove (with the help of those people I listed) that #1 is false, then we come to a question of my "multi accounting" and how they "linked" me to those 4 accounts, that I have seen the first time in my life.

[adam0991]

It is settled then. Pick your guys.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

The dude at the bottom is a scammer, he got banned as game-protect. Do not send him any information at all. Just so you believe me -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260668.msg54863330#msg54863330

To be honest I didn’t really want to say but most of the people supporting efialtis flag are suspected alts of this scumbag.

What he used to do as game-protect was charge people like yourself for supposed legal action & advice against casinos. He obviously would never get any money back.

But yeah, looking out for you here, do not send him any personal info.

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

No offence to any of these, but I recommend you don’t share your ID out to anyone. When sharing with a company you have certain protections in place.

AskGamblers is truly your best bet, unfortunately I believe they are in bed with sportsbet.io and refused your complaint (amongst many others I imagine).

Unfortunately I am not sure what to recommend, it’s very hard to know what to do going forward, sportsbet are starting to get a very bad name. Only sportsbet can resolve this case in my opinion and provide some proof to you which indicates multi accounting. The best help these users listed above can provide you is by pressuring sportsbet into providing the proof required.

[yayayo]

Unfortunately I had to support the flag. Usually with big bookmakers / big names I do not involve myself into this, but I saw so many complaints that I felt it was a moral duty to support it.
I hope these cases with some people are solved quickly.
I can not imagine that they will scam people because they are main sponsor from Watford, but so many complaints can not be ignored, I think.

ya.ya.yo!

[ahctpacer]

OP I have few questions if you don't mind.

1. When did you create your Sportsbet.io account, what date exactly?
2. Are the deposits listed in the first post your only deposits, and what is the total amount deposited on June 21, 2020?

[neymarjr12]

OP I have few questions if you don't mind.

1. When did you create your Sportsbet.io account, what date exactly?
2. Are the deposits listed in the first post your only deposits, and what is the total amount deposited on June 21, 2020?

I don't mind, but why are you asking?

[Trofo]

Here are my 2 cents. There has been so much action in the thread in the last 24 hours or so that I can barley follow it properly but will give my best to comment what I deem important and hopefully not step on anybody toes.

First of all I still haven't supported or opposed the 2 raised flags. I can not do either of those actions with clear conscience. I have already stated that I personally trust Sportsbet with amounts greater than disputed here. On the other hand their response to this case simply hasn't been good enough and the fact that they have treated me fairly doesn't immediately imply fair treatment of others. I will hold with my decision for a while longer.

I messaged Steve & told him he’s going to have to do more to satisfy some people on this by the way.
Edit - Just looked, he hasn’t been online since 7am ish so he won’t have seen my PM yet.

This is the best route for now in my opinion. Steve is only available at the forum inside working hours on working days. I am not expecting he will see the PM before Monday. I will give Sportsbet one more chance to provide some evidence or solutions to this problem. However, if nothing gets resolved until Wednesday I will personally try to contact Steve and if that goes without reply I will have to support the flags as a way to provoke action from Sportsbet.

I believe even the strongest opponent of the flags has to admit that if this was some other bookie we would all paint that account red much sooner. Sportsbet has done great stuff for the community and that is the only reason I am still giving them time and it is simply unbelievable that they would scam somebody for amounts mentioned here.

However, I have no problem believing that somebody did an honest mistake and botched something in this case. I for one wouldn't think any less of Sportsbet if that is a case and they apologize after situation like that. Mistakes happen in every business and the way they are handled tells us much about the leadership of that business.

I guess it makes sense to pick the most active and reputable users in this thread, not matter if they were for/against my case (please correct my choice, I might have missed someone):
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo
@gosha@e-coin

The dude at the bottom is a scammer, he got banned as game-protect. Do not send him any information at all.

@OP this is sound advice and I see you already excluded him from your list. That guy isn't helping your case at all. When somebody is just coming and writing basically the same stuff all over again I just put him on ignore list. I am willing to go this route if necessary but Steve/Sportsbet have also to agree to that. Otherwise it makes no sense. I would recommend to keep this as last resort, since it is never smart to send your documents to other people.


This thing has gone a bit out of the hand and I don't like the fact that some users, whose opinion I value, has decided to oppose this flags. I also don't like that flags have a wording like they do but we can't change that and we as a community have to make some sort of pressure on Sportsbet to provide us with better answer. Next time it could be one of us, or our newbie friend we just introduced to forum and Sportsbet.

My hope is that Steve will get in touch beginning of the next week and offer us satisfactory proofs of fraudulent behavior or solve the situation in the OP favor. Really don't like to get involved in cases like this 

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

1. This is unbelievable that sportsbet will scam anyone for peanuts.
2. There are enough saying from OP too to believe his story.

There must be some misunderstanding between OP and sportsbet which is causing all of these mess. I think I will wait for sportsbet to bring more info to help us making a clear mind before opposing the flag.

However, if nothing gets resolved until Wednesday I will personally try to contact Steve and if that goes without reply I will have to support the flags as a way to provoke action from Sportsbet.

It seems very hard to make this decision. I want to keep my head clear for tomorrow's poker game LOL

[dragonvslinux]

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

I recommend you reduce your list. You don't to be giving 7 people your identity in a hurry. 3 should be more than enough to verify the documents.
These are the three people most engaged with this process. I'd strongly suggest you stick with them only. You do as you please though!

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

I recommend you reduce your list. You don't to be giving 7 people your identity in a hurry. 3 should be more than enough to verify the documents.
These are the three people most engaged with this process. I'd strongly suggest you stick with them only. You do as you please though!

I’m dunno how I’m qualified for making a decision on this, the other 2 guys with all respect to them are the only two (with any reputation) supporting the flags.

Not really sure where this goes from here but on second thoughts I dunno if this random poster verification on anything is going to work.

I don’t think sportsbet are going to give out sensitive information because they could get into a lot of trouble for that.
Instead, he's been advised (multiple times) to use a 3rd party arbitrator.

It’s not industry standard to involve forum members so I guess that’s the case here too. Surely it’s up to AskGamblers?

[efialtis]

The whole situation has become a big joke, a bad joke to be frank - honestly, I am shocked by various users' behavior - you know what guys, at least play it fair, so much hypocrisy really hurts!

Random people (people not involved at all) opposing flags, signature & avatar wearers, WO gang members etc. / PMing people who have not been involved in order to oppose the flag (with these people even posting in this thread they were pm'ed before realizing this is bad for the opposition's "mission" so they edit and remove the pm part - screenshots available) etc etc.

What can I say - some great ethics really when taking into account what we are debating about - a gambling operation withholding someone's money without providing evidence as to how this person supposedly broke ToS. Big fat joke... Sorry I can't trust your judgements...

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Random people (people not involved at all) opposing flags, signature & avatar wearers, WO gang members etc. / PMing people who have not been involved in order to oppose the flag (with these people even posting in this thread they were pm'ed before realizing this is bad for the opposition's "mission" so they edit and remove the pm part - screenshots available) etc etc.

This was me and it was my mistake. Sorry about that. When I realized it will not be okay then I edited that part. Honestly speaking, I trust some of the guys here and I believe they are doing everything to make things correct.

It's hard to make up minds in a case like this. I am sure I am not alone in this.

[neymarjr12]

Thanks for heads up! Updated list:
@Royse777
@LFC_Bitcoin
@efialtis
@buwaytress
@SyGambler
@actmyname
@Trofo

I recommend you reduce your list. You don't to be giving 7 people your identity in a hurry. 3 should be more than enough to verify the documents.
These are the three people most engaged with this process. I'd strongly suggest you stick with them only. You do as you please though!

I’m dunno how I’m qualified for making a decision on this, the other 2 guys with all respect to them are the only two (with any reputation) supporting the flags.

Not really sure where this goes from here but on second thoughts I dunno if this random poster verification on anything is going to work.

I don’t think sportsbet are going to give out sensitive information because they could get into a lot of trouble for that.
Instead, he's been advised (multiple times) to use a 3rd party arbitrator.

It’s not industry standard to involve forum members so I guess that’s the case here too. Surely it’s up to AskGamblers?

I already posted a reply from AskGamblers, now waiting for SBR.
The idea with forwarding you my KYC e-mails is for you to confirm that I actually did that and that Sportsbet's claims about "he didn't pass KYC" are false.
Again, I am ready to go through any necessary KYC procedure with Sportsbet if they reply.

[DireWolfM14]

I only just notice this thread and read through it, but I'm going comment just to explain why I'm opposing both flags:

Sportsbet.io is a business, and like all businesses they have the right to refuse service to anyone, without explanation.  They aren't obligated to explain themselves to neymarjr12, or any of us.  They made a business decision, and having taken the time to explain themselves in this thread should have been enough.  They didn't have to do that, and they don't owe anyone any more than that.

2. I don't mind sharing my KYC documents with a small group of trusted users in this thread if it helps to solve my case.

This whole business is really silly.  Who's to say the documents aren't stolen and have been passed around?  How would any one on neymarjr12's list be able to determine that?  @Royse777, would you accept this users documents in lieu of collateral for a loan?  If not, then they shouldn't be enough to condemn a legitimate business.

@neymarjr12, I know you've repeatedly said that you've done nothing wrong, but forgive my skepticism.  I couldn't help but notice your English is fairly good.  Are you sure you didn't violate their TOS?  Lets assume your documents are legit, are you from one of the countries highlighted below?

3.3.       You are aware that the right to access and use the website and any products there offered, may be considered illegal in certain countries. We are not able to verify the legality of service in each and every jurisdiction, consequently, you are responsible in determining whether your accessing and using our website is compliant with the applicable laws in your country and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside.  For various legal or commercial reasons, we do not permit accounts to be opened or used by customers resident in certain jurisdictions, including the United States of America (and her dependencies, military bases and territories), Australia, United Kingdom, Estonia, Netherlands or other restricted jurisdictions ("Restricted Jurisdiction") as communicated by us from time to time. By using the Website you confirm you are not a resident in a Restricted Jurisdiction.

[owlcatz]

I feel 10 x dumber for having (re) read all this bullshit. I do what I want so fuck off OP.