[SCAM] Sportsbet.io (Withholding funds) [dispute settled]

[suchmoon]

Somehow I feel personally addressed as a GP. First, I post where I want and when I want.
Second; this is not trolling but I would like to emphasize the facts and put them together clearly. I know much more what's going on than you can even think / imagine.
All I can say at this point is that my investigation is a result of deliberate damage to certain bookmakers. These bookmakers now want to retaliate and resources have been put in from above. So my advice to sportsbet.io: Keep your dogs on a lead on the leash here, they may bark occasionally but keep them on a lead. Otherwise, the consequences are beyond your control.
Let this be a clear signal. I have found all the information I need. If I notice that sportsbet.io is releasing her dogs from other bookmakers, I will be active again immediately.

Is this an admission that you're game-protect, or that you fabricated this accusation, or both?

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[asche]

Let this be a clear signal. I have found all the information I need. If I notice that sportsbet.io is releasing her dogs from other bookmakers, I will be active again immediately.

What does that even mean? Empty threats usually don't do anything more than wasting yours and others time.

[Get-Paid.com]

Somehow I feel personally addressed as a GP. First, I post where I want and when I want.
Second; this is not trolling but I would like to emphasize the facts and put them together clearly. I know much more what's going on than you can even think / imagine.
All I can say at this point is that my investigation is a result of deliberate damage to certain bookmakers. These bookmakers now want to retaliate and resources have been put in from above. So my advice to sportsbet.io: Keep your dogs on a lead on the leash here, they may bark occasionally but keep them on a lead. Otherwise, the consequences are beyond your control.
Let this be a clear signal. I have found all the information I need. If I notice that sportsbet.io is releasing her dogs from other bookmakers, I will be active again immediately.

I remember GameProtect very well, there is no way in hell GP would talk about dogs or their leash etc. - he doesn't have good English like this guy.

Why don't you leave Gosha alone and let him express himself normally like everyone else here?

There's no way in hell this guy is GP, so just stop it.

[examplens]

I can provide a list from all the users that are defending sportsbet.io and are just hired to defend them and to push negative posts away.
It is the standard way of working in their procedure. People complain, and Steve comes into the play with a poster/flyer and the shill accounts are talking about games, poker and other nonsene not related stuff.

Even I am not satisfied with SB explanation here and how they handle this situation, they owe a precise explanation.
But, I'm a little confused here. Sportsbet hires users to defend them, I guess they will pay them for it.
So, they refuse to pay user X and spend this money to pay users YY to defend it and save his reputation. why complicate, they definitely have to spend money?

[asche]

Even I am not satisfied with SB explanation here and how they handle this situation, they owe a precise explanation.
But, I'm a little confused here. Sportsbet hires users to defend them, I guess they will pay them for it.
So, they refuse to pay user X and spend this money to pay users YY to defend it and save his reputation. why complicate, they definitely have to spend money?

I'm not saying they did do that, but when you are already paying user, you would just have to imply that you would expel them from said benefits to actually have leverage on them. So no, it wouldn't cost them extra money.

Then again, there is no indication/evidence that this happened.

[rdbase]

Somehow I feel personally addressed as a GP. First, I post where I want and when I want.
Second; this is not trolling but I would like to emphasize the facts and put them together clearly. I know much more what's going on than you can even think / imagine.
All I can say at this point is that my investigation is a result of deliberate damage to certain bookmakers. These bookmakers now want to retaliate and resources have been put in from above. So my advice to sportsbet.io: Keep your dogs on a lead on the leash here, they may bark occasionally but keep them on a lead. Otherwise, the consequences are beyond your control.
Let this be a clear signal. I have found all the information I need. If I notice that sportsbet.io is releasing her dogs from other bookmakers, I will be active again immediately.

Is this an admission that you're game-protect, or that you fabricated this accusation, or both?

That's how I take it as well.
Due to the fact why would an ex-employee account of wirex (formerly known e-coin as this gosha didn't seem to know before he bought the account ) even care so much about online casinos and be focused so much towards two casinos GP was so inthralled with til their wits end.
Ultimately getting them banned off of here, and yet we are today talking with him yet again.
Game-protect will do game-protect sort of things I guess, thinking nobody will see past their words of deception. Very amusing.
But still a rule on using this forum: Ban evasion is an offense.
So good luck with that G.P

[AB de Royse777]

What's up with neymarjr12?
I see he was online but did not admit me, asche and others yet. Is he banned or something else?

@neymarjr12 can you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.msg54880848#msg54880848
And also create a new flag and this will be type 2.
My stupidity that I was suggesting you to create a type 3 earlier.

[gosha@e-coin]

Somehow I feel personally addressed as a GP. First, I post where I want and when I want.
Second; this is not trolling but I would like to emphasize the facts and put them together clearly. I know much more what's going on than you can even think / imagine.
All I can say at this point is that my investigation is a result of deliberate damage to certain bookmakers. These bookmakers now want to retaliate and resources have been put in from above. So my advice to sportsbet.io: Keep your dogs on a lead on the leash here, they may bark occasionally but keep them on a lead. Otherwise, the consequences are beyond your control.
Let this be a clear signal. I have found all the information I need. If I notice that sportsbet.io is releasing her dogs from other bookmakers, I will be active again immediately.

Is this an admission that you're game-protect, or that you fabricated this accusation, or both?

But still a rule on using this forum: Ban evasion is an offense.

The only offense in here that has been made, is that sportsbet.io scammed many people.
Besides that, you are using many alt accounts. You think you can hide it worth organised actions, but I am not stupid.
Everything is clear.

[neymarjr12]

What's up with neymarjr12?
I see he was online but did not admit me, asche and others yet. Is he banned or something else?

@neymarjr12 can you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.msg54880848#msg54880848
And also create a new flag and this will be type 2.
My stupidity that I was suggesting you to create a type 3 earlier.

Hi Royse!
Was online to check whether @sportsbet.io replied, bit still didn't happen.
Changed the amounts in the description post, is it right now?
What do you mean "create a new flag and this will be type 2" ?

[AB de Royse777]

Hi Royse!
Was online to check whether @sportsbet.io replied, bit still didn't happen.
Changed the amounts in the description post, is it right now?
What do you mean "create a new flag and this will be type 2" ?

Good to get your response. Sorry that your case has not been responded by sportsbet.io yet but hopefully Steve gives his input soon.

Total amount in question = 0.373 BTC
Sportsbet.io wants to offer = 0.102 BTC
Amount want to scam = 0.271 BTC

This look better now. For some strange reasons first time someone had to give his amount in a different fashion but yes we can not complain now.

1. Go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=832366
2. Check 2nd radio box.

We call this type -2 flag.

Then follow the instruction and use this topic link ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.0 ) for the reference of the flag before hitting the confirm button at the next page.

Good luck.

The only offense in here that has been made, is that sportsbet.io scammed many people.
Besides that, you are using many alt accounts. You think you can hide it worth organised actions, but I am not stupid.
Everything is clear.

If you have problem with sportsbet scammed many then please make a different thread about it and keep trolling your issues. Please not here. When I see your post I feel annoyed. And I am 100% confident that a lot of others do feel the same. Stop trolling and annoying the contributors of this topic.

[adam0991]

It seems Sportsbet.io are avoiding posting on the forums at the moment. The account has been online various times but they are probably ignoring all the heat that is around them over the past few days.

Playing the silent game.

[neymarjr12]

Hi Royse!
Was online to check whether @sportsbet.io replied, bit still didn't happen.
Changed the amounts in the description post, is it right now?
What do you mean "create a new flag and this will be type 2" ?

Good to get your response. Sorry that your case has not been responded by sportsbet.io yet but hopefully Steve gives his input soon.

Total amount in question = 0.373 BTC
Sportsbet.io wants to offer = 0.102 BTC
Amount want to scam = 0.271 BTC

This look better now. For some strange reasons first time someone had to give his amount in a different fashion but yes we can not complain now.

1. Go here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;addflag=832366
2. Check 2nd radio box.
https://i.imgur.com/SPs4QiH.png
We call this type -2 flag.

Then follow the instruction and use this topic link ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.0 ) for the reference of the flag before hitting the confirm button at the next page.

Good luck.

The only offense in here that has been made, is that sportsbet.io scammed many people.
Besides that, you are using many alt accounts. You think you can hide it worth organised actions, but I am not stupid.
Everything is clear.

If you have problem with sportsbet scammed many then please make a different thread about it and keep trolling your issues. Please not here. When I see your post I feel annoyed. And I am 100% confident that a lot of others do feel the same. Stop trolling and annoying the contributors of this topic.

Done! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

[AB de Royse777]

Done! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

Good job. Flag supported.
For visibility would you add the flag link in your main topic post?
Add it at the end with some the text link:

Flag created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171



Good luck again.

[neymarjr12]

Done! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

Good job. Flag supported.
For visibility would you add the flag link in your main topic post?
Add it at the end with some the text link:

Flag created: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

https://i.imgur.com/Y2KZ0F2.png

Good luck again.

Done! Thank you for help!

[Get-Paid.com]

This was showing in the SportsBet.io official thread:



Until LFC_Bitcoin and Nutildah marked they are opposing the flag (hypocrites).

Now the flag was removed from their official thread due to "Insufficient Support".

If you support this accusation please show your support here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

[baikov]

This was showing in the SportsBet.io official thread:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuQNXC65.png&t=615&c=7EABu0C92whsoA

Until LFC_Bitcoin and Nutildah marked they are opposing the flag (hypocrites).

Now the flag was removed from their official thread due to "Insufficient Support".

If you support this accusation please show your support here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

Hello! I deposited 70eur to my account and got 370eur after some winnings. After I tried to withdraw for the first time ever and got my withdrawal rejected. I was asked to complete KYC procedure. I sent my local (Russian) passport and bank statement. After that I was asked to complete KYC using Veriff, where I took a picture with my international passport. After a few days security department asked me if I have any other account, which I actually just do not need. After I answered and waited some more days they asked if I know some other players and sent me their accounts (nicknames), which I saw for the first time because I didn’t know any other guys who use their service. After I answered they told that i am trying to launder money and that they will only send my deposit back. I am really angry because they blocked my account and I didn’t receive my winnings! HELP ME PLEASE!

[Slow death]

This was showing in the SportsBet.io official thread:



Until LFC_Bitcoin and Nutildah marked they are opposing the flag (hypocrites).

Now the flag was removed from their official thread due to "Insufficient Support".

If you support this accusation please show your support here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2171

Hello! I deposited 70eur to my account and got 370eur after some winnings. After I tried to withdraw for the first time ever and got my withdrawal rejected. I was asked to complete KYC procedure. I sent my local (Russian) passport and bank statement. After that I was asked to complete KYC using Veriff, where I took a picture with my international passport. After a few days security department asked me if I have any other account, which I actually just do not need. After I answered and waited some more days they asked if I know some other players and sent me their accounts (nicknames), which I saw for the first time because I didn’t know any other guys who use their service. After I answered they told that i am trying to launder money and that they will only send my deposit back. I am really angry because they blocked my account and I didn’t receive my winnings! HELP ME PLEASE!

you must create new thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

and you must post proofs, at least images of your deposit and images of the conversation you had with the support.

edit: I see that you already created the thread, but you did not post proof on the thread that you created

[JollyGood]

If I have this correct, here is a mini-synopsis of what happened:

1- Sportsbet state in their ToS:

12. BONUS RULES
12.1 General
12.1.1 Bonuses are available at our discretion and we reserve the right to restrict the availability of any bonus to any player at any time.
12.1.2 Fraudulent or multiple entries will not be accepted, neither will entries made in breach of these Standard Promotional Terms or the specific promotional terms.
12.1.3 Some of our Bonuses may be offered to you on a complimentary basis or when taking part and completing promotions through the website.
12.1.4 All promotions are not available to players using an e-wallet when depositing funds.
12.1.5 Players who are Self-Excluded are not eligible to receive any bonus. Players that Self-Exclude during the course of bonus qualification or after a Bonus Token has been placed but before any winnings (Cash or Bonus) were accumulated, will not be eligible to receive any winnings (whether as Cash or as a Bonus Token)
12.1.6 Only one Bonus offer per player, per household, per shared computer and shared IP address unless otherwise stated. We do not allow “Multiple Accounts”. Player account details will be determined by any or all combination of name, mailing address, email address, computer (serial), IP address, payment (deposit/withdrawal) method used and any other form of identification.
12.1.7 By accepting any of our bonuses, you agree to adhere to these Bonus Rules and any applicable rules made available to you before or when accepting a Bonus with us. You must also comply with our full Terms and Conditions at all times.
12.1.8 We reserve the right to withhold any Bonus, associated winnings whether from cash or bonus wagers if believed that the offer has been abused and/or where the terms of the offer are not fulfilled, or any irregular betting patterns are found including collusion, and this decision is final.


2- The rules are clearly stated in the footer of the Sportsbet website


3- By signing up to the Sportbet website, all users are confirming they agree to and will abide by the ToS that are clearly stated beforehand therefore all users are aware of which type of contract they are getting in to before they are signing up


4- The most important of these rules is 12.1.8 because it clearly states Sportbet have the right to effectively withhold any winnings or bonuses if they believe they have reason: "We reserve the right to withhold any Bonus, associated winnings whether from cash or bonus wagers if believed that the offer has been abused and/or where the terms of the offer are not fulfilled, or any irregular betting patterns are found including collusion, and this decision is final."


5- Sportsbet ToS do not state that in the event of them implementing clause 12.1.8 they are under any obligation to justify their findings to the suspected fraudster or to a third party such as various members of this forum. Sportsbet are also bound by European data protection laws as stated in their ToS (5.1 and 5.3):

5. CONFIDENTIALITY

5.1 We will take reasonable and appropriate measures to ensure that Your personal information as disclosed to Us shall remain confidential. We will not disclose Your personal data or betting information unless required to do so by any applicable laws and regulations, court order, the relevant gaming and law enforcement authorities or other than as set forth in these Terms and Conditions. It is also Your responsibility to keep Your personal information confidential.

5.3 We will process Your personal data in accordance with Data Protection Act 2018, General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) 2018, other relevant legislation and regulation and Our Privacy Policy.


6- The OP has claimed he is innocent. From what is seems on the surface the OP is saying that he is ready to comply with KYC and sent it to Sportsbet but they rejected it as 'failed'.

In my opinion the bottom line in this situation is this:

Sportsbet concluded beyond reasonable doubt the OP conducted in activity that breached their ToS and they are under no obligation to explain to anybody why they came to that conclusion. They also stated it was not as simple as it being based on multiple accounts from the same IP address. Furthermore they went on to state they will not state what their security protocols are as they will give an obvious advantage to those that try to defraud them.

All existing Sportsbet users and all future new sign ups have to accept their accounts could be frozen at any point without a fully explained justification and they could lose all their winnings but will probably get back their initial deposited funds providing they have not been spent. The OP has protested his innocence but that has not stopped Sportsbet from coming to the same conclusion that their ToS were breached.


In a nutshell in conclusion:

There is no evidence Sportsbet selective scammed the OP

...but...

There is no evidence the OP had multiple accounts because nothing has been presented to this thread from either party that shows they have a valid case.

The OP has created two flags created against Sportsbet on the basis of: "neymarjr12 alleges: sportsbet.io violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. sportsbet.io did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around June 2020. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance."

If the ToS clearly state Sportsbet can behave as judge, jury and executioner then the flags created by the OP are invalid and inappropriate because Sportsbet behaved in accordance with their ToS. The OP has no legitimate claim to create a flag on the basis of violating a written contract because according to Sportsbet he breached their ToS and clearly Sportsbet acted within the rules of their ToS.

Regarding the second flag, it was created by efialtis against Sportsbet on the basis of: "efialtis alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with sportsbet.io is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions."

From what I have read in the thread, the second flag has more merit than the ones the OP created because it is opinion based. I can only say that if users believe with those ToS anybody is at high risk of losing money with Sportsbet then they are right from their perspective. Most crypto exchanges and as well as most betting websites have similar ToS which could be exploited by unscrupulous website operators or only be used in exceptional circumstances where they feel fraud has taken place. Those are subjective views.

In this case, based purely on the evidence available I cannot support the flags by the OP because in my opinion a written contract was not violated by Sportsbet.

Also I cannot support the second flag because in my opinion users are not at a high risk of losing money at Sportsbet.

Having said all this, there are two main points of concern for me that Sportsbet and other betting websites implement on a wide scale:

1- I do not know why Sportsbet asked for KYC when they knew it would definitely not be enough. Even if the KYC is valid and even if they have a video call to ascertain identity of the user but he is linked with multiple accounts and breach of ToS then why would they ask for KYC?

2- Why do all these issues of multiple accounts come up after a user wins an amount or tries to withdraw - Sportsbet and other websites should have algorithms that start freezing accounts as soon as multiple accounts and breaches are detected because it means as long as users in breach of the ToS are depositing crypto and spending it losing on bets it remains a non-issue but as soon as a win or withdrawal takes place it triggers a breach of ToS

[Get-Paid.com]

Why do all these issues of multiple accounts come up after a user wins an amount or tries to withdraw - Sportsbet and other websites should have algorithms that start freezing accounts as soon as multiple accounts and breaches are detected because it means as long as users in breach of the ToS are depositing crypto and spending it losing on bets it remains a non-issue but as soon as a win or withdrawal takes place it triggers a breach of ToS

BINGO!

And why is that? Answer = 

[suchmoon]

This was showing in the SportsBet.io official thread:

You really need to learn how flags work. It was active only to you and maybe a handful of other users.