Chinese Uighurs - concentration camps, slave labor

[PrimeNumber7]

The Chinese Ambassador to the UK recently was interviewed on the BBC where he was shown a drone video that purportedly shows Uighurs in Western China blindfolded, shaven and handcuffed being lead into trains. The Ambassador had no good explanation as to what was going on in the video, and the video was obviously taken without the permission of the Chinese government.

Separately, according to a New York Times report, it appears the Chinese government is supplying Uighur slave (forced) labor to Chinese manufacturers of PPE that is sold throughout the world, including the United States.

Both of the above looks very bad on the part of the Chinese government and the CCP. This along with what China is doing to the people of Hong Kong.

How should the world respond to the above reports? Should Western companies pull out of Chinese markets (production and selling their services/merchandise)?

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[akram143]

AFAIK, Uighurs are part of islamic community and they have been treated in that way for very long time but now everything is happening for political benefits. Ofcourse we need to oppose such kind of camps and need to set those people free but how it is going to be possible since everything is happening is inside their country only!

[Jet Cash]

Modern day slavery seems to be as rife as it ever was, and it makes one wonder why all the dick heads that are pulling down historic monuments and statues are doing it. It almost appears that they want to conceal the concept for the benefit of the modern day slavers. Of course they are funded by the Anglophile Empire, so they don't want to do anything that decreases their profits.

[Coyster]

How should the world respond to the above reports? Should Western companies pull out of Chinese markets (production and selling their services/merchandise)?

If the reports are true, then that's slavery and the world powers need to step in, but afaik, China will definitely deny all this claims as they are also keeping quite a lot of secrets from the world of late that are still yet to be fully unravelled.

As for pulling out of the Chinese market, I'm in support of that, India already pulled out, and the US making things difficult for them, i believe a time will soon come when major world powers will have to unite to weaken the Chinese, and their desire to be the number one country to be reckoned with at any cost.

[akram143]

How should the world respond to the above reports? Should Western companies pull out of Chinese markets (production and selling their services/merchandise)?

If the reports are true, then that's slavery and the world powers need to step in, but afaik, China will definitely deny all this claims as they are also keeping quite a lot of secrets from the world of late that are still yet to be fully unravelled.

As for pulling out of the Chinese market, I'm in support of that, India already pulled out, and the US making things difficult for them, i believe a time will soon come when major world powers will have to unite to weaken the Chinese, and their desire to be the number one country to be reckoned with at any cost.

Other countries can't do anything real to save those people because this is happening inside China's region so we may need a war to stop doing this.

Countries can say they are going to get out from China but for real all those companies who invested their money in China for the infrastructure of their plant will struggle so government have to pay money to build on their own land even if they do the human resources could be a big issue.

[PrimeNumber7]

Modern day slavery seems to be as rife as it ever was, and it makes one wonder why all the dick heads that are pulling down historic monuments and statues are doing it. It almost appears that they want to conceal the concept for the benefit of the modern day slavers. Of course they are funded by the Anglophile Empire, so they don't want to do anything that decreases their profits.

BLM wants to spread communism to the US. Their founders are Marxist’s.

How should the world respond to the above reports? Should Western companies pull out of Chinese markets (production and selling their services/merchandise)?

If the reports are true, then that's slavery and the world powers need to step in, but afaik, China will definitely deny all this claims as they are also keeping quite a lot of secrets from the world of late that are still yet to be fully unravelled.

As for pulling out of the Chinese market, I'm in support of that, India already pulled out, and the US making things difficult for them, i believe a time will soon come when major world powers will have to unite to weaken the Chinese, and their desire to be the number one country to be reckoned with at any cost.

I think a lot of companies will pull out of China, however this is not something that can be done overnight. For example, China supplies the world’s antibiotics and alternative factories need to be built before China is cutoff, otherwise many will die from minor ailments. China is also a major producer of natural earth minerals that are used for computer chips and weapons systems, the US needs to build and ramp up these factories at home before China can be cutoff.

[lepbagong]

AFAIK, Uighurs are part of islamic community and they have been treated in that way for very long time but now everything is happening for political benefits. Ofcourse we need to oppose such kind of camps and need to set those people free but how it is going to be possible since everything is happening is inside their country only!

it seems that the Uighur problem is very vulnerable because it is affected by one particular religious community, which obviously will affect many other sympathetic countries in responding to this. even though this is actually a domestic problem and there has been a lot of information given by China about this to a country which is very supportive of the Uighurs themselves.

but what develops in many countries is a matter of pressure on a religious community that is very obvious, compared to other things and may not be known outside of China itself. I hope this can be resolved properly by the state of China so as not to become a growing issue of uncertainty.

[uneng]

It's a very delicate situation for other countries to get involved without major consequences.
First, more evidences of these camps are needed. Unfortunatelly it's very hard to have concrete evidences from what happens behind the curtains in China, as it's a very closed country where the government watches everything going on very closely.

It's also unlikely investors and businessmen from other countries will left China for this reason, as it's a very profitable country anyway, full of cheap labor force, which generates a lot of profit.

I see a more appropriate resolution would consist in a pressure from the religious groups from another countries over China's government. Even being a communist dictatorship they won't want to have issues with international trading partners communities, especially muslim communities, as they have some common interests with chineses towards the occident.

[yhiaali3]

According to human rights organizations, more than a million Uighurs and other Muslim minorities are being held in a network of detention camps in China where they are subject to political rehabilitation.

These acts are against humanity and the Chinese government must stop these extremist acts on the pretext that these are terrorists. In fact, this is an empty charge that most countries use to suppress their opponents.
The international community should pressure China to stop these actions and treat the Uighurs humanely, and China can be pressed through the United Nations and through its economic boycott. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening, as I have heard that some countries treat the Uighurs harshly because they have good economic relations with China.

[tippytoes]

According to human rights organizations, more than a million Uighurs and other Muslim minorities are being held in a network of detention camps in China where they are subject to political rehabilitation.

These acts are against humanity and the Chinese government must stop these extremist acts on the pretext that these are terrorists. In fact, this is an empty charge that most countries use to suppress their opponents.
The international community should pressure China to stop these actions and treat the Uighurs humanely, and China can be pressed through the United Nations and through its economic boycott. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening, as I have heard that some countries treat the Uighurs harshly because they have good economic relations with China.

I believe such situation has been happening for so long already that even the Chinese government knows about this situation. It is only recently that this harsh situation is being exposed because of the technology we have. If there is no drone footage, how can they prove that this situation is happening? There are a lot more inhumane activities happening within Chinese businesses particularly those in factories. You can read some of the old articles mentioning such poor treatment to these workers :

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/07/nightmare-at-chinese-factories-making-hasbro-and-disney-toys.html

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/chinese-toy-factories/3611587.html

[bryant.coleman]

AFAIK, Uighurs are part of islamic community and they have been treated in that way for very long time but now everything is happening for political benefits. Ofcourse we need to oppose such kind of camps and need to set those people free but how it is going to be possible since everything is happening is inside their country only!

What happening in China right now is horrible. I condemn the atrocities, that are directed against ethnic minorities such as the Uighur, Kazakh and Dongxiang. But at the same time, why the Islamic community is silent on the atrocities that are perpetrated against the religious minorities in Islamic countries? Is there is a single Islamic country, where the non-Muslims receive humane treatment? They always go ballistic when Muslims get discriminated in Western nations. But they always remain silent when these incidents happen:

https://www.wionews.com/pakistan/another-minor-hindu-girl-kidnapped-in-pakistan-forcibly-converted-to-islam-308021
https://www.thedailystar.net/country/news/arrest-killers-buddhist-monk-1791742
https://www.ibtimes.sg/malaysian-authorities-order-demolition-hundred-year-old-hindu-temple-47489
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/world/asia/india-afghanistan-sikh-hindu.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Why no condemnation here?

[akram143]

AFAIK, Uighurs are part of islamic community and they have been treated in that way for very long time but now everything is happening for political benefits. Ofcourse we need to oppose such kind of camps and need to set those people free but how it is going to be possible since everything is happening is inside their country only!

What happening in China right now is horrible. I condemn the atrocities, that are directed against ethnic minorities such as the Uighur, Kazakh and Dongxiang. But at the same time, why the Islamic community is silent on the atrocities that are perpetrated against the religious minorities in Islamic countries? Is there is a single Islamic country, where the non-Muslims receive humane treatment? They always go ballistic when Muslims get discriminated in Western nations. But they always remain silent when these incidents happen:

https://www.wionews.com/pakistan/another-minor-hindu-girl-kidnapped-in-pakistan-forcibly-converted-to-islam-308021
https://www.thedailystar.net/country/news/arrest-killers-buddhist-monk-1791742
https://www.ibtimes.sg/malaysian-authorities-order-demolition-hundred-year-old-hindu-temple-47489
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/world/asia/india-afghanistan-sikh-hindu.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Why no condemnation here?

If Islamic country ask anything then they will be called as terrorists. You can't find mush information about Muslims treated in the inhumane way because media doesn't even give attention to the issue, we all are just people if we are going to be separated by religions then other country can't involve much into this.

[squatz1]

Modern day slavery seems to be as rife as it ever was, and it makes one wonder why all the dick heads that are pulling down historic monuments and statues are doing it. It almost appears that they want to conceal the concept for the benefit of the modern day slavers. Of course they are funded by the Anglophile Empire, so they don't want to do anything that decreases their profits.

BLM wants to spread communism to the US. Their founders are Marxist’s.

How should the world respond to the above reports? Should Western companies pull out of Chinese markets (production and selling their services/merchandise)?

If the reports are true, then that's slavery and the world powers need to step in, but afaik, China will definitely deny all this claims as they are also keeping quite a lot of secrets from the world of late that are still yet to be fully unravelled.

As for pulling out of the Chinese market, I'm in support of that, India already pulled out, and the US making things difficult for them, i believe a time will soon come when major world powers will have to unite to weaken the Chinese, and their desire to be the number one country to be reckoned with at any cost.

I think a lot of companies will pull out of China, however this is not something that can be done overnight. For example, China supplies the world’s antibiotics and alternative factories need to be built before China is cutoff, otherwise many will die from minor ailments. China is also a major producer of natural earth minerals that are used for computer chips and weapons systems, the US needs to build and ramp up these factories at home before China can be cutoff.

No one is going to pull out of China because of this. No company (or country, politician, etc) really even cares that its happening. They only pretend to care when the news shines a light on it and people start sharing these horrible videos, which is why politicians know that they have to make a statement about how they're sanctioning some random Chinese officials.

The horrible thing is that nothing will get done over in China because politicians and regular people are too fixated on short term profits, to care at all about any ideals that they may have. Hopefully at some point that changes, and people notice that we have to make decisions for the long term.

Not too good of a precedent to set ya know - genocides are pretty fucking horrible. You'd think that we would've learned from the Holocaust, but I guess otherwise.

[Mauser]

If Islamic country ask anything then they will be called as terrorists. You can't find mush information about Muslims treated in the inhumane way because media doesn't even give attention to the issue, we all are just people if we are going to be separated by religions then other country can't involve much into this.

It's just insane how China is treating their minorities. Its not only the Muslim community or Hong Kong, China is still oppressing tibetians.
The western world should step up against China because no other countries would do so. Unfortunately the Muslim countries are looking for investments from China in their home market. Being dependant on that capital and investment inflow there are no critical voice from the Muslim communities against China. It's sad that such things are still being tolerated in 2020.

[inanilujimi]

many countries have criticized their actions on the Uighurs, but they seem to be deaf to criticism from various parts of the world, and I strongly agree if there must be actions such as boycotting their products so they can hear and stop the persecution.

[squatz1]

If Islamic country ask anything then they will be called as terrorists. You can't find mush information about Muslims treated in the inhumane way because media doesn't even give attention to the issue, we all are just people if we are going to be separated by religions then other country can't involve much into this.

It's just insane how China is treating their minorities. Its not only the Muslim community or Hong Kong, China is still oppressing tibetians.
The western world should step up against China because no other countries would do so. Unfortunately the Muslim countries are looking for investments from China in their home market. Being dependant on that capital and investment inflow there are no critical voice from the Muslim communities against China. It's sad that such things are still being tolerated in 2020.

Yeah the western world just isn't going to do this. They know that it is profitable to just look the other way on China. Maybe they signal that they're trying some stuff to stop China from doing what they're doing with some sanctions or some plans to force China to change, but China will never listen.

China just changes just enough to please the Western media and public, and they're able to get away with whatever they want. What a system we have -- literally just allowing a Holocaust to happen in front of all of us.

[elisabetheva]

many countries have criticized their actions on the Uighurs, but they seem to be deaf to criticism from various parts of the world, and I strongly agree if there must be actions such as boycotting their products so they can hear and stop the persecution.

in fact, the end of this problem is the openness of the state which can explain well the problems that occur there. many countries will always react very violently if religious sentiments carry over, even though this is a problem in their own country.
because after all politics can not be separated from problems like this, openness is indeed needed so that there can be a solution that can be done properly.

a country's product embargo cannot solve a problem properly, because we know that China has a lot to play a role in all industries that are fairly renewable and certainly at affordable prices.
it is not easy for developing countries to do that, but for developed countries will not experience problems with its economy.

the important thing is to sit at the negotiating table well and there must also be no intervention from other countries against the sovereignty of other countries. because this will tend to be unwise.

[akram143]

If Islamic country ask anything then they will be called as terrorists. You can't find mush information about Muslims treated in the inhumane way because media doesn't even give attention to the issue, we all are just people if we are going to be separated by religions then other country can't involve much into this.

It's just insane how China is treating their minorities. Its not only the Muslim community or Hong Kong, China is still oppressing tibetians.
The western world should step up against China because no other countries would do so. Unfortunately the Muslim countries are looking for investments from China in their home market. Being dependant on that capital and investment inflow there are no critical voice from the Muslim communities against China. It's sad that such things are still being tolerated in 2020.

Chinese people are living everywhere like Indians so imagine their life if China doesn't listen and stop this.But many islamic countries are accomodating Chinese people as employees, as a boss to a company, even as government officials so we need to give some voice with help of outside Chinese community.

[Viper1]

No one is going to pull out of China because of this. No company (or country, politician, etc) really even cares that its happening. They only pretend to care when the news shines a light on it and people start sharing these horrible videos, which is why politicians know that they have to make a statement about how they're sanctioning some random Chinese officials.

A couple days ago when Pompeo was in the UK he raised the issue of religious freedom in China as it's not just the muslims that are getting "suppressed". Also, Japan has passed a budget to incentivize companies to move out of China. So far I think 80 are taking them up on the money and are going to move their companies to other countries and also back to Japan. Covid has made it clear to them that they need to make major changes to a lot of their supply chains. Japan isn't the only country (Australia is also talking about "partial" decoupling from China for example) but so far the US seems quiet on that front.

[squatz1]

No one is going to pull out of China because of this. No company (or country, politician, etc) really even cares that its happening. They only pretend to care when the news shines a light on it and people start sharing these horrible videos, which is why politicians know that they have to make a statement about how they're sanctioning some random Chinese officials.

A couple days ago when Pompeo was in the UK he raised the issue of religious freedom in China as it's not just the muslims that are getting "suppressed". Also, Japan has passed a budget to incentivize companies to move out of China. So far I think 80 are taking them up on the money and are going to move their companies to other countries and also back to Japan. Covid has made it clear to them that they need to make major changes to a lot of their supply chains. Japan isn't the only country (Australia is also talking about "partial" decoupling from China for example) but so far the US seems quiet on that front.

Some are going to do this if it profitable to do so. Contrary to popular belief China isn’t as cheap of a labor source as it used to be. The chinese workers are demanding a better wage and benefits, and they are successful in hetring some of this.

A lot of these countries in southeast Asia will draw in the factories leaving China.

US may incentivize the move too. Though not sure how China will respond to a move like that.