OgNasty/nonnakip Gold/Refund Demand Supposedly "Sold Out" Funds Held

[anonymousminer]

Hello everybody!

I have a gripe against OgNasty and they are trying to pass it off to "nonnakip" but I'm not going to let this drag out.

Today I purchased a 2019 Binary Round 0.9999 fine gold coin from nastyfans.org as the round was a great deal.   

OgNasty has stated they are sold out and should not have been available on the website when minerjones reached out for me.  I'm being told to reach out to nonnakip for a refund.  nonnakip has not been active since June 22, 2020.  However they must be around since Og says that "nonnakip runs the website" and the coin I purchased is no longer available.

Here is the thread stating that they are still available.  Og is on top of things for the most part.... nowhere in here does it say sold out.  The posts after my link clearly shows they are limited, but not sold out. 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072237.msg54602384#msg54602384

We all know Og does not like me and I'm not going to let him and his alt hold my money hostage. 

Produce my gold or refund my bits!!  It's that simple.

Anybody reading this, please keeps your eyes peeled for any of his 2019 gold binary rounds going up for sale since they are "sold out" (wink wink).   To be honest, I believe the coins are available and they forgot to raise the price on the website as they stated they were bouncing around spot in the thread. 


PROOF OF PURCHASE:

Order screen:  https://imgur.com/XnlJnjU

Payment screen:   https://imgur.com/nqTNBWq

Proof of payment:   https://imgur.com/x9egY1b
(16e13fce443a0459e906ae4f8c213311cf6344019df3eb48fdf7a287b749e0aa)

Refund address:   38xc2abWDnSS9wk7d25KV6nDxc2gxMwED1

Refund total 0.1773BTC


I'D PREFER MY GOLD as I'm sure you're lying about availability, so my bits will have to do.  You have no reason to hold on to them.

[owlcatz]

I would normally not say anything here, but I'm really not surprised at all.

If he runs the site on his behalf, he should at least have his phone number, FFS. Sounds like a personal thing because we know he's just like Trump, can dish it but can't take it and holds grudges like Trump just the same.

Sorry, I hope this ends the way it should, it might give him and his operations some shred of integrity lol.

[suchmoon]

It's quite amazing that there is no contact information on the site. Did you get a confirmation e-mail or anything else that would tell you whom to contact if you have an issue with the order?

[anonymousminer]

It's quite amazing that there is no contact information on the site. Did you get a confirmation e-mail or anything else that would tell you whom to contact if you have an issue with the order?

Nothing.... and an email address is not required to place the order.  I clicked on the link in a thread created by OgNasty which guided me to the site.  I figured I could reach out to Og should there be problems.  I had minerjones reach out to Og with all my proof of purchase.  They brushed me off claiming no responsibility for the website yet they have a thread shilling the coins.  Og "reached out" to nonnakip if they actually exist to take the coin off the website but they didn't bother to tell them to check the forum for messages and apply the refund.  Seems like the site is more important than the customer.  This is a total joke!!

[suchmoon]

Nothing.... and an email address is not required to place the order.  I clicked on the link in a thread created by OgNasty which guided me to the site.  I figured I could reach out to Og should there be problems.  I had minerjones reach out to Og with all my proof of purchase.  They brushed me off claiming no responsibility for the website yet they have a thread shilling the coins.  Og "reached out" to nonnakip if they actually exist to take the coin off the website but they didn't bother to tell them to check the forum for messages and apply the refund.  Seems like the site is more important than the customer.  This is a total joke!!

It's shoddy to say the least but since it was paid just a few hours ago I'd give them at least 24 hours to come up with a refund.

Edit: I just noticed that you're requesting a refund to a different address than the one(s) you paid from. This can be an issue.

[anonymousminer]

Nothing.... and an email address is not required to place the order.  I clicked on the link in a thread created by OgNasty which guided me to the site.  I figured I could reach out to Og should there be problems.  I had minerjones reach out to Og with all my proof of purchase.  They brushed me off claiming no responsibility for the website yet they have a thread shilling the coins.  Og "reached out" to nonnakip if they actually exist to take the coin off the website but they didn't bother to tell them to check the forum for messages and apply the refund.  Seems like the site is more important than the customer.  This is a total joke!!

It's shoddy to say the least but since it was paid just a few hours ago I'd give them at least 24 hours to come up with a refund.

Indeed, that's why I came here with this.  To avoid anymore "talk to so and so," or another, "talk to this other person."  Og was less than helpful when minerjones reached out to him on my behalf, so I figured this was my best shot.  

I just want my gold or my bits without a bunch of bullshit.

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Send it back to the same address... I really don't care.  I obviously have PLENTY of proof!

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I just prefer fresh addresses every time. 

[crwth]

I think it's natural that shops give an invoice whether or not the transaction has gone through and send invoices with the registered email or something. Daily recordings of business transactions are crucial when running a business. Having access to your website is crucial too, IMO. At least you could have control over stuff as well. I hope you get your refund soon.

Edit: I just noticed that you're requesting a refund to a different address than the one(s) you paid from. This can be an issue.

Maybe sign a message from where the BTC was stored initially?

[suchmoon]

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Send it back to the same address... I really don't care.  I obviously have PLENTY of proof!

Good. Someone a while ago had issues with OgNasty's refusal to return coins to a different address so at least you can avoid that if he decides to be anal about it.

Maybe sign a message from where the BTC was stored initially?

Yes. Or have it sent to the original address. As long as it's under OP's control (and not e.g. some shared wallet or a CoinJoin payment) it should be ok.

[tothemoonsands]

I’d like to add that I too am affected by this gold coin being sold after it is sold out.
I have reached out to both Og and Nonnakip. I have provided a signed message from the payment address with a message of my desired refund address. I have confirmed the order’s email address on file, however it should be noted that no invoice or order confirmation was ever sent from email.

I have not yet received a refund, but as noted above, it has been less than 24 hours so I can allow some time for this to be processed. I am hoping for it to be processed and completed by tomorrow.

I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt - OK the coin was sold out and the website was simply not updated. I have no concrete evidence to indicate the contrary. But I am disappointed with how the refund process is being handled. Unless we are compensated for our transaction fees, we will end up losing money as a result of another business’ error. No other gift or extra compensation has been offered (in addition to the refund of course) has yet to be offered to remedy the situation.

[OgNasty]

I responded to this issue in the appropriate thread already. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178345.msg54878121#msg54878121

Accusing me of lying about stock is a pretty shitty thing to do.

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Send it back to the same address... I really don't care.  I obviously have PLENTY of proof!

This should make it simple enough for nonnakip. I’ll forward the info to him since I guess you aren’t familiar enough with the club to know how to contact him.

[anonymousminer]

You’re welcome for my willingness to assist you even after all your lies and BS.

Imagine an amazon seller assisting a customer with an amazon problem and being trashed for it. You really need to grow up and learn how to act right.

Amazon has several ways to contact customer service all over their website genius.... and if it were PayPal, I'd have my money back already.  Any other smartass comments I can refute?  

....and the ONLY reason you are doing anything is because I made this public and you NEVER like to look bad to the masses.  


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please have nonnakip sign in and see this thread so they can refund to the appropriate address I gave for the refund.

[anonymousminer]

nonnakip would have resolved the issue no matter what. I’m only responding to make you feel better and to let the community know the truth, since you’re a known liar who can’t be trusted.

I don't believe that for a second.... but sure, as long as I'm refunded what I'm owed.

I love when you say stupid things..... "known liar who can't be trusted"

My trust says otherwise.  When people like Charlie Lee and Bobby Lee use my services.... that trumps anything said from a wannabe such as yourself.  Please keep talking, it's the gift that keeps on giving.


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Why do you always try to spin things like you are the victim??..... I bought an item that's supposedly "not available."  You originally blew me off and I'm the one waiting for a refund but of course you make everything sound like "poor OgNasty."

[suchmoon]

You’re welcome for my willingness to assist you even after all your lies and BS.

Imagine an amazon seller assisting a customer with an amazon problem and being trashed for it. You really need to grow up and learn how to act right.

If you called your Amazon customers "liars" or jerked them around for something as simple as a refund for an out of stock item - you wouldn't be selling on Amazon for long. You can get kicked out of there for selling out of stock items to begin with. Acting all high and mighty in this situation is ridiculous. All you need to do is refund and apologize, how hard can it be.

[anonymousminer]

I received a message from nonnakip this morning.  I'm being told I need to wait until Friday for a refund as that's when the next distribution is made.  This is 100% unacceptable.  There is no reason to hold my funds for 1 more second, let alone make me wait until Friday.  I could care less if it's inconvenient to do a separate transaction.... just do it.

I WANT MY FUNDS NOW!!

This is ridiculous!!

[owlcatz]

Fuck both those guys. Leaving read on both now until this is sorted ASAP.

[tothemoonsands]

I, too, provided a valid signature that was unable to be verified from their side. I have requested that the funds be sent back to the payment address since no additional verification is required (for obvious reasons). I have not yet heard back and no refund has been issued at this time. Based on time stamps of log in, it does appear my message has been received and read. I hope we can get this resolved today and end the matter once and for all.

[buckrogers]

I received a message from nonnakip this morning.  I'm being told I need to wait until Friday for a refund as that's when the next distribution is made.  This is 100% unacceptable.  There is no reason to hold my funds for 1 more second, let alone make me wait until Friday.  I could care less if it's inconvenient to do a separate transaction.... just do it.

I WANT MY FUNDS NOW!!

This is ridiculous!!

What do any "club distributions" have to do with your BTC payment for an item that is missing from their shop?

If there was no item received and you paid for an item that day, you should immediately get a refund in the same currency you paid for the missing product.

You are not a "club member" and "distributions" are for the seats on nastyfans loaded coins if im not mistaken, and what does that have anything to do with with a gold coin you attempted to buy from a website shop that was not updated properly?

This is NOT the way a shop runs, you paid, they did not deliver, you get a refund, am I missing something here?

You dont and should not have to wait for some archaic distributions fund to return your payment? Your funds should have never gone into any distribution fund to begin with if it was not processed as a proper sale. What is happening with those distribution funds, are they earning some sort of interest?  Why are they "locked up until Friday"?

It is the fault of the site owner and operator, whether they are one and the same or not to manage the web store properly and rerun payments as soon as they are asked for, it is not your responsibility to succumb to some whackado system to receive your funds back.

You should charge interest on the funds for every day they are not returned to you or file a complaint with the proper authorities if necessary.

This is absurd! and I am shocked this is actually happening from a "trusted forum member" and treasurer?

Bad Form!

[Vod]

Accusing me of lying about stock is a pretty shitty thing to do.

You lied about over two thousands bitcoins that disappeared in your business.  Why would't you lie for a worthless coin?

nonnakip would have resolved the issue no matter what. I’m only responding to make you feel better and to let the community know the truth, since you’re a known liar who can’t be trusted.

I love when you say stupid things..... "known liar who can't be trusted"

You're fucked now AM.   Mr. OG has pulled out the big gun "you are a liar" defense vs the blockchain...

[marlboroza]

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Just send them their money back. Jesus.

[suchmoon]

It's totally like Amazon, except it's two guys with no apparent clue as to how to manage a website, or to sell stuff, or to provide customer service, let alone how to send bitcoins.

This is absurd! and I am shocked this is actually happening from a "trusted forum member" and treasurer?

I'm shocked that there is someone shocked by this. Og is nasty on a good day and extra nasty to people he dislikes - a broad category, which apparently includes anonymousminer.