This is a total nightmare

[LogitechMouse]

I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

Wrong move . Don't move but do it both. If you need manpower to do it then do it just don't give up your IT business because what is happening right now is just temporarily. Even the recent pump right now of the assets are just temporarily .

Can you share what is your IT business too and your possible business in agriculture if you may only so we have an idea. The demand for IT goes high as years go by but still it depend on what business you are right now in IT industry. Anyways, good luck with your transition if you will continue it and take note that nothing lasts forever . This will end so think wisely.

[bits4books]

You do understand that a) you are not the only one in a similar situation b) it will not end soon
And instead of crying that everything is lost, it's better to pull yourself together and be together - this is the only way to successfully survive all this.
I'm sure you'll be all right too

[deisik]

In coding biz it does not matter where you live or how many hours you work on project ...only thing important is you deliver your work before deadline and client must like your work ... that's it. And if you do programming it must also be secured and no bugs

It's the same everywhere

In any business no one gives a slightest fuck about how much effort you put into your work and how long it takes. However, there's a bright side to this. If you are on a strict deadline (it's actually not a bad thing unless it is completely insane), you can demand payment on exactly the same terms. If they fail to pay on time, you can either kiss them goodbye (not a good thing) or ask for an advance payment next time (a much better idea)

[imstillthebest]

Farming is a good decision but you need to have enough knowledge about both farming and bitcoin if you don't have any knowledge you can't achieve success when it comes to investing in Bitcoin we have to wait a long time even if the price goes down there is nothing to be disappointed because its price will go up but now that everything is closed due to the effects of the epidemic agriculture can help us a lot in overcoming financial problems. It's not a bad thing at all go ahead.

why will he need both knowledge when he said that he is leaving the internet and he will switch to agriculture . he sounded like he already have a knowledge on farming and for what that he have a land if he dont have any idea to do with that ?  agriculture isnt that hard to understand and its the reason why less educated people prefer it or will fall from it  but im not underestimating it or the people that does this job but i am proud of them because this industry plays a big role .

[ololajulo]

Most times I dont trust analysis that put other currency ahead of dollar, it has failed severally. The economics behind dollar is strong and such stories are trap for those that react to it. Looking at the coming palliative with this news some might expect the worse but we need to remember the position of America and dollar in the world economy, it cant just slide off like every other coin.

[AniviaBtc]

Wrong move . Don't move but do it both. If you need manpower to do it then do it just don't give up your IT business because what is happening right now is just temporarily. Even the recent pump right now of the assets are just temporarily .

It depends on his capability to engage in both industry. If he can't do both then he just need to choose only 1 between these two, and he chose to engage in agriculture so its up to him. We just need to respect other people's decision and encourage them to continue what they're doing to become successful in a path he pursue. We can't conclude right now, because maybe he find agriculture the best for him and he prioritize it, and IT can be his sideline.

The demand for IT goes high as years go by but still it depend on what business you are right now in IT industry.

It is true, because as our technology is continuously developing, programming will never be outdated because they are required in every businesses and also in high demand.

[serjent05]

I understand minimizing costs ... but 300 euros for 3 months of work ? not even in Eastern Ukraine they accept that ... not even the lowest skilled worker in that country will accept this ...

Not even in a developing country would accept that.  Even beggars would earn more than that in just a month.

Anyway, I think the client just want the best of you in the most minimal price.  He is just trying the what ifs of negotiation.  Just dump that client, he does not deserve professionals like you.

[Ucy]

This is why it's very important we have very safe, very decentralized and easy to use crypto. You could build the right ecosystems and get people to earn, reward and trade with each other with moderately deflationary cryptocurrencies/tokens.
It's also risky (in my opinion) to rely too much on centralized usage of cryptocurrency.    So, you have to worry about that also.
I would invest long-term in a well decentralized, easy-to-use crypto, driven by right principles, rules and consensus

[Sanitough]

I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

I guess depending on what type of business you have, IT is the future as the world is evolving into a digital world.
If you have a job or business, you maybe are just affected by the current situation, but mind you, this is just temporary as the moment the government will release the vaccine, the world that we once knew a better place to live will come back.

It's easy to say you move from IT to agriculture, the question is do you have the knowledge and the passion to be successful in that field?
Having a land is not enough my friend.

[stompix]

This is why it's very important we have very safe, very decentralized and easy to use crypto. You could build the right ecosystems and get people to earn, reward and trade with each other with moderately deflationary cryptocurrencies/tokens.

Oh, again the miracle cure!
How would this have helped the OP when it clear he can't find clients that pay him enough for his work?

Just because he is going to be paid in crypto you think people will pay your four times more for four times less the effort?
Cryptos are money, if the client doesn't want to pay you more than 300$, he won't pay you even if it's euros, yen, bitcoin, eth, or some token and if you talk about decentralization, he is already in a decentralized environment, he talks directly with the client, how more decentralized than p2p you can go?

I'm not surprised that gold (and silver) are shooting up in value; I'm surprised that it's taken this long for that to happen.  I figured in the initial days of the COVID-19 outbreak we'd see gold & silver on the moon rocket, and now I'm wondering what the catalyst is behind the rise in prices.

Same here, why the sudden rush when it makes zero sense based on the news?
The so-called second wave started a bit earlier in few countries so that wasn't a surprise, the future doesn't look that bleak as it was when everyone was in full "we're all going to die" mode, so probably is just speculation or manipulation. We will see in the next months how this will end, if it deflates as fast as it has grown probably it was pure manipulation, and some gold bugs who have jumped all in are going to regret it, just as they did 7 years ago.

[Harlot]

So I'm really curious why are you taking a hit when I don't see most of the companies in the tech industry being affected that much. Is it in your customer or what kind of business do you have?

Another aspect of the virus yet to fully come to light will be increased outsourcing to cheaper countries. Tech stuff is super vulnerable to this and many companies have realised there's little need for a physical location or physical meetings.

Those who didn't consider it before certainly will now and there's a whole world out there willing to work for less.

Yes, and there's a whole world of consultants out there just waiting to fix mismanaged outsourcing by inexperienced project managers

Even if they are that vulnerable like what you have said the tech industry is not as vulnerable to other industries where their business involves around products being sold physically or properties being leased as right now these types of businesses are the ones who goes first in this scenario like Airplane companies shutting down their operations and Hotels closing down some of their branches for goods. Tech industry on the other hand doesn't have these kinds of vulnerabilities so I think it's really better if the OP tries to answer this question directly as he is the one experiencing it in his company.

[Heart18]

Absolutely! No words can express how devastating this time is.
But, just hang on...we may experienced hardship now, but I guess this will be over.
Agricultural jobs is far different from IT thing. Knowing both the kind of jobs is quite awesome! And for me, its always been great working in the farm because we can interact with nature, relax your eyes, refresh your mind, fresh air, fresh foods, and animals if there is. Its an advantage actually. So, if you have a land, then go try it. After all, you can still be connected and do IT jobs from time to time.

[carter34]

I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

What technologies are you working with? IT is very broad and anecdotally IT seems to be one of the sectors that's least affected by the pandemic. If you're in events or tourism, then you're fucked, but IT seems to be fine for the most part.

Of course too, IT business is thriving now. I wonder how op is complaining where hoteliers should be.
Schools have gone online this period and many other service providing agencies.
Maybe he just wants to go into food production too.

[ethereumhunter]

The increase in gold prices makes many people shock because they do not predict the rise, but that is what happens now. People who have a lot of gold will make a lot of money if they are selling their gold now, but I wonder if that can make gold price will stay at the high price or not because if many people sell fast their gold, it could make the price jump to the lower price. I wonder if that will impact the other market or not, but bitcoin had already increased a few days ago.

[lucky80]

This is a total nightmare

BTC is now above 10200 usd ( How in the hell is going to buy btc ? if no one will have money to buy )

I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

I think everyone can buy bitcoin at any price because they can buy a fraction of 1 bitcoin. Bitcoin is used not only for investment. People use it to send money. They can buy according to the invoices they want to pay at any price. Bitcoin is safe electronic money, especially in the middle of a pandemic, while paper money transmits the disease. One of the potentials of bitcoin.

IT and agriculture are strong synergies and can improve the lives of farmers. I speak because I went to an agricultural high school. I learned all subjects in first grade and took landscape as a major. After that, I went to university majoring in IT. I have been successful in breeding fish that I learned in first grade (betta splendens) and selling them via the internet. I have won many national and international (IBC) contests with my team.

I suggest you combine both industries.

[audaciousbeing]

This is a total nightmare

Gold is now 1941.25 usd today
Euro value is increasing against the USD ...
What this means is that soon i will have to increase my prices to 5-10%...
BTC is now above 10200 usd ( How in the hell is going to buy btc ? if no one will have money to buy )
Govs are putting us out of business ...


I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

I really don't the bone of contention here. All these while, the price of bitcoin had been relatively constant for weeks it began to seem that there is no longer room for either development or increment and now the $10k barrier was broken few days ago and now there is still some concerns about how a government is trying to run the entire crypto enthusiasts out of business.

[spy100]

This is a total nightmare

BTC is now above 10200 usd ( How in the hell is going to buy btc ? if no one will have money to buy )

I think i am moving from IT to agriculture (as i got some land ... ) ,there is no way my IT biz will survive like this ...

I think everyone can buy bitcoin at any price because they can buy a fraction of 1 bitcoin. Bitcoin is used not only for investment. People use it to send money. They can buy according to the invoices they want to pay at any price. Bitcoin is safe electronic money, especially in the middle of a pandemic, while paper money transmits the disease. One of the potentials of bitcoin.

How are you going to buy BTC if no income is coming ? To buy BTC you must have a source of income (work etc) ...now the market is dead ...hope it gets better

[Stedsm]

On one hand, you say that you'll need to increase your prices up to 5 - 10%, what for?
Is it for your IT biz? But on the other hand, you are thinking to move from your IT biz to agriculture! You're too confused atm and I suggest you should consult a legal investment advisor before taking any decision because it'll definitely affect the health of your capital.

After watching your comment before mine, I'd like to add something more. If you're from IT industry and you can't even afford a piece of BTC (I'm not saying 1 whole of a BTC but some part), then I guess your job is worthless. Another thing, why do you think you need to change your job when companies have started hiring those who can work from home?

[spy100]

On one hand, you say that you'll need to increase your prices up to 5 - 10%, what for?
Is it for your IT biz? But on the other hand, you are thinking to move from your IT biz to agriculture! You're too confused atm and I suggest you should consult a legal investment advisor before taking any decision because it'll definitely affect the health of your capital.

After watching your comment before mine, I'd like to add something more. If you're from IT industry and you can't even afford a piece of BTC (I'm not saying 1 whole of a BTC but some part), then I guess your job is worthless. Another thing, why do you think you need to change your job when companies have started hiring those who can work from home?

Some of us have family to take care of ... we are not all born with a gold spoon ...

How in the world is hiring ...show them to me ? as i sent my cv to 200 companies by now


Here is an example of some stupid idiot posting a job ad :

FullStack Developer
$5k – $10k • 10.0% – 20.0%

Hello Developers,

• 2-3 years experience developing in Java.  ---> he wants you to know Java
• Proven track record of delivering end to end solutions from scratch. ---> What the f..uk are talking about you stupid son of ...? Go ask my last boss for  ssh login details if you want to see what i did
• Enjoy building production grade code then supporting and maintaining it once it goes live.  ---> So you want web developer to be a webmaster also
• Courage to dig-in, refactor code, and explore new technology. ---> So you want me to debug code and learn new tech ... ok i will learn new tech if you PAY ME
• Knowledge of micro service technologies and building REST APIs.---> Ok
• You are proficient with following technologies / technical aspects
• Core Java & Java Frameworks: Spring Framework / J2EE / Reactor   ---> 3 frameworks ... mofucker are you crazy ? do you know how much time it takes to learn 3 frameworks ?
• HTML / CSS3 & JavaScript / TypeScript. Added advantage if you know ReactJs / Redux / AngularJS -> Another f...king 2 framworks ---> Do you know how much time it takes to learn does you stupid moron ?
• Node.Js & Node.JS Frameworks: Express / HappiJS ---> Express and HappiJS  ,Who the f.... uses HappiJS you idiot ? You train your developer you dumb f..k
• Data Structure / Algorithms ---> Do you know how many algorithms they are you dumb son of a ... ? Did you even open the Encyclopedia of Algorithms ,Here you go Genius : https://doc.lagout.org/science/0_Computer%20Science/2_Algorithms/Encyclopedia%20of%20Algorithms%20%5BKao%202008-08-06%5D.pdf 1200 pages
• Unit Testing using JUnit ---> unit testing usins jUnit ---> in what school or company do they teach JUnit you moron ?
• Object Oriented Analysis and Design ---> This is a technical approach not used by all you stupid f...k

• You are competent using following technologies
• MySQL / MongoDB  --> MySQL and MongoDb .... seriously are you  a f..ing  Alien or something .... ? 2 ways of managing databases and making sure they are secure ...
• Container: Docker / Rkt  ---> 2 containers ...no s...t !
• Orchestration: Kubernetes / Mesos / OpenShift ---> How the f...uk uses this ? Not a single web developer that i know uses them
• Messaging: RabbitMQ / Kafka ---> What the ?  So you want me  to communicate with what ? I used Hangouts / Telegram / Whatsapp / Skype ....
• Design Patterns ---> Only in big companies they use Design Patterns  you stupid f..k
• Integration Testing / Performance Testing ---> Now you want me to be a tester also ok
• Agile Development methodology ---> And Agile ... most companies don't use Agile you moron ...

• You have working knowledge and some experience working with following technologies
• Scalability / Performance Engineering  ---> AWS / DigitalOcean / Google Cloud --> just came out a few years ago and you want experience .... if you pay the bill sure no problem i will learn
• Application Security best practicesskills-Qualifications-BE/B.TechExperience-2 to 3 Years ---> And hacker with diploma ....hackers with diploma ? Are you a moron ?

This is what i have to deal with ... and my fellow developers ....it's a nightmare ...


If a develop knows node.js and express.js you train him to use HappiJS
If he knows MySQL you train him to learn MongoDB
If he knows React / Redux you train him to learn AngularJS
If he knows Docker you train him to use Rkt
Same for the other technologies ...


Most companies use tech that they only use ... what a company uses does not mean that other companies use  ... either you train new blood or you take good care of your experienced developers ...

And for 5k/ month to know all this stupid guy is asking i wouldn't even get out of bed .

[RealMalatesta]

I do not think there needs to be any reason to move from one sector to another sector, if you want to you could do that at any point, pandemic or not.

I was working in hotel business for example and during that period I really hated it, thank god I am not doing that for the past 3-4 years now but can you consider how my friends who are still doing that got affected? I mean we are talking about a period where everyone was afraid of getting Covid or infecting their loved ones and they still had to go most of the days and that meant they were basically risking their lives to make some money.

About 3-4 years ago I decided I do not want to do that anymore and moved to another business, now I am working freelance and I am feeling much better about it, there wasn't any national or global crisis, I just wanted to change and I did. So, I support OP if he wants to change as well.