The U.S need to live with the new normal

[Coyster]

Last week, America issued an order to China to close their consulate in the U.S, China responded with exactly the same order, they also want the U.S consulate shut in China. The two countries have been going at one another hammer and tongs for quite some time now and the situation isn't improving to say the least.

Imo, the United States need to live with the fact that there are some countries that wouldn't be cowed to dance to their music and China is one of them. It's about economic viability and growth, and China has established themselves as one of the best economies in the world, and aren't too dependent; it's easy to dominate when your oppositions rely on you to a large extent. The U.S and China for example, still control many third world countries because of how much money they owe them, and are still heavily dependent on them.

Don't you think the U.S and China war will end if they both cohabit as the two strongest nations, with none trying to topple the other?
With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

[Gyfts]

The consulate in the U.S was closed due to spying. This isn't a culture war. China is a communist country that's riddled with corruption and human rights violations with its authoritarian government. They have millions of muslims in concentration camps and overthrew the democracy in Hong Kong. You're kidding yourself if you think the U.S. is going to settle with China's actions as the new normal.

Don't you think the U.S and China war will end if they both cohabit as the two strongest nations, with none trying to topple the other?
With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

A democracy and communist nation will never co-exist. You can expect some sort of military conflict to breakout within the next few decades between the U.S. and China.

[suchmoon]

A democracy and communist nation will never co-exist. You can expect some sort of military conflict to breakout within the next few decades between the U.S. and China.

Maybe a proxy war of some sort? China vs India with the US stoking the fire on the Indian side.

[Gyfts]

A democracy and communist nation will never co-exist. You can expect some sort of military conflict to breakout within the next few decades between the U.S. and China.

Maybe a proxy war of some sort? China vs India with the US stoking the fire on the Indian side.

Perhaps. India's been beefing up its military over these last few years buying fighter jets. Modi's also trying his best to appease the U.S. so they probably know what's coming.

[Smartvirus]

It's either you are the worlds strongest nation's or your not.
Even within an aligns, there would always be one who feels more in charge than the others.

[Coyster]

The consulate in the U.S was closed due to spying. This isn't a culture war.

That was the brilliant excuse given, when did consulates start acting as espionage, they closed the consulate cause of their rising tensions and it's so obvious.

You're kidding yourself if you think the U.S. is going to settle with China's actions as the new normal.

I'm not saying they are going to settle with that willingly, nor am i in support of any crime going on in China, but imo it's a situation they have to accept, except it will be settled eventually with a military war, and China do not look like they'll back down from that as well.

[Gyfts]

That was the brilliant excuse given, when did consulates start acting as espionage, they closed the consulate cause of their rising tensions and it's so obvious.

Two things can still be true. They could have closed the consulate due to spying in addition to rising tensions with China. It's not as if the U.S. will publicly publish the intelligence showing the evidence of spying. It'd be a security  concern.

I'm not saying they are going to settle with that willingly, nor am i in support of any crime going on in China, but imo it's a situation they have to accept, except it will be settled eventually with a military war, and China do not look like they'll back down from that as well.

You can't accept it. That's the thing. Shipping millions of muslims to get sterilized is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. The U.S. in the 1940's turned away Jews who were seeking refugee. We can look at history to know these sorts of things don't end well. Set aside China's concentration camps, they're directly threatening the national security of the U.S. by taking away the autonomy of Hong Kong. They don't recognize Taiwan as an independent nation either. They also help North Korea avoid U.S. sanctions. Everything about China is a threat to every first world democracy, not just the U.S.

The U.S. is the only country with the military and economic power to challenge China on the world stage. They're forming a coalition with India which makes their power even stronger.

[BADecker]

Last week, America issued an order to China to close their consulate in the U.S, China responded with exactly the same order, they also want the U.S consulate shut in China. The two countries have been going at one another hammer and tongs for quite some time now and the situation isn't improving to say the least.

Imo, the United States need to live with the fact that there are some countries that wouldn't be cowed to dance to their music and China is one of them. It's about economic viability and growth, and China has established themselves as one of the best economies in the world, and aren't too dependent; it's easy to dominate when your oppositions rely on you to a large extent. The U.S and China for example, still control many third world countries because of how much money they owe them, and are still heavily dependent on them.

Don't you think the U.S and China war will end if they both cohabit as the two strongest nations, with none trying to topple the other?
With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

The Chinese Consulate (CC) was burning documents that showed how they were spying on all kinds of things in America, both Government and Big Business. Trump wanted to get in there to get their info, but the CC wouldn't let him. So, he gave orders to shut it down within 72 hours, with the hopes that in their haste, the CC people would overlook something, and the US could get some of it after all.

[uneng]

No countries should be subservient to another ones in order to be able to survive, but that is how it is... And if we have to depend on a country then it's better to depend on a democratic country like United States than on a communist dictatorship like China.

With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

If Biden wins all the effort and progress made during the last 4 years to stand the occident culture against globalism and communism will be gone...
Of course it will be better for China, but not for U.S patriots and for those who are proud of their occidental culture.

[BADecker]

No countries should be subservient to another ones in order to be able to survive, but that is how it is... And if we have to depend on a country then it's better to depend on a democratic country like United States than on a communist dictatorship like China.

With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

If Biden wins all the effort and progress made during the last 4 years to stand the occident culture against globalism and communism will be gone...
Of course it will be better for China, but not for U.S patriots and for those who are proud of their occidental culture.

The only reason why any member of any government isn't assassinated is, the CIA isn't doing it.

[guigui371]

 China has established themselves as one of the best economies in the world, and aren't too dependent

 The U.S and China for example, still control many third world countries because of how much money they owe them, and are still heavily dependent on them.

I'd like to get some geopolitical opinion on the following.

We know that China has large USD reserve. (no source needed)
We know that they have been selling said USD (for Gold), but they can't "dump" to much otherwise The US may replicate with more tarrif / embargo ...  (no source needed)


We know that many 3rd word countries owe a shit load of USD labbeled debt to USA and / or IMF  (no source needed)

Wouldn't it be clever of China to go and see those countries, and give them a loan in RMB (yuan) to buy some USD of China's reserve (not on the market, China's reserves') to pay off the US debt they have.  Basically  China offload their USD, to clear a poor country's debt but in the same time said country owes China the equivalent debt in RMB (yuan) for the next 30 years.

That would reduce the world use of USD, won't make the US richer, (they can technically print as much money as they want), makes China enslave one more economy / country ( a little bit like what they are doing with the One Road One Belt).

Obviously it is low level explanation/theory  but no too far fetched.

What do you think ?

[Coyster]

What do you think ?

I don't think it can work, you know most of this third world countries don't only owe the U.S just money alone, they are indebted to the United States and also allies with them, they are also aware of the tensions between China and U.S, and any dealings they make with China will be perceived by the White House as a threat to the U.S, and that will cause the U.S to cut off every ties they have with them and hit them with sanctions.

And you and i know many of this 3rd world countries obviously still and will continue to depend on the U.S for a long time to come. Without a viable economy, which they do not have, they do not stand a chance to be in the American blacklist.

[aioc]

Don't you think the U.S and China war will end if they both cohabit as the two strongest nations, with none trying to topple the other?
With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

China has their own long term policies because they have a one party system while the US is changing the administration every election and they are changing their policies once a new party wins, so it's possible that if a new US president is elected that is lenient in making a good cooperation with US then it's possible that the cold war between the two will melt, so we'll wait on the next election.

[BADecker]

Don't you think the U.S and China war will end if they both cohabit as the two strongest nations, with none trying to topple the other?
With the U.S elections coming up in November, do you think situations will improve between the duo if Biden wins? Majority of the fractions has been due to Trumps strict orders.

China has their own long term policies because they have a one party system while the US is changing the administration every election and they are changing their policies once a new party wins, so it's possible that if a new US president is elected that is lenient in making a good cooperation with US then it's possible that the cold war between the two will melt, so we'll wait on the next election.

The non-Communitst oriented people in China are far more in number than the non-Communist people in the United States.

[yhiaali3]

The United States must stop behaving as the world's policeman and it is the only force in the world. The world has changed and the balance of power has changed in the world and the leaders of the United States must realize this. Not only is military power the balance of power now, economic power has become much more important, and China has become an economic giant and the United States Realizing this and must realize that with these actions, it destabilizes the world, so it is better to sit at the dialogue table and solve all outstanding problems through dialogue and not through force.
I think that the times of the uni-polar world have changed now and we are now in a multi-polar world and all world leaders must realize this and realize that their stances can destabilize peace in the whole world.