It's F'n happening ----- Polk VS. Negreanu HUNL Grudge Match

[tokeweed]

^  Lol.  I mean yeah...  It's just better that way imho.  They're both elite pros and not a couple of microstakes noobs who need a cheat sheet.

I'm actually surprised why Doug just wouldn't let it go since he has a huge edge over Dnegs.

Edit:  And like Dnegs said..  'your best game, your format, your approved platform.'.  And Doug can't agree not to use his pf chart?

And I'm pretty sure it's not just a chart, it's a spreadsheet that auto computes ranges vs opponents' range and raise sizes.

Yeah Doug has a completely different way of analysing the game than Dnegs. Apparently he has been grinding lower stakes tables for month now is sharpening his game. But he will not be on the top I think as a few years ago. Poker is evolving so fast these days and more and more young kids are coming up crushing the pros. Where as Doug has an edge over Dnegs, younger players have an edge over Doug. I watched  the Heads Up session of Doug vs Landon Tice, he lost like $500 or so until he gave up.

That would depend on a lot of things.  But I think given enough time, Doug could work his way back up again.

Anyway, on the issue of pf charts and cheat sheets..  This is ultimately how it should be.  IMHO:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ummuPtxLI

Some people think it's a bad take tho.

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[Steamtyme]

Well that turned into a shitshow for a few days, and probably right up until the match gets underway. I am happiest about the fact that somehow a concession about holecards came about and will be visible for at least part of the match.

Surprising though is I think Doug is legitimately fired up to play now. He talked before about feeling anxious when the time was coming to play, and that was part of his leaving the game. I don't see any of that in his current, come and get me approach. I even noticed him kind of accepting and calling for additional matches, some obvious putdowns and/or trolls but maybe he dips his toes in and gets a taste for these heads up matches.

[arallmuus]

Surprising though is I think Doug is legitimately fired up to play now. He talked before about feeling anxious when the time was coming to play, and that was part of his leaving the game. I don't see any of that in his current, come and get me approach. I even noticed him kind of accepting and calling for additional matches, some obvious putdowns and/or trolls but maybe he dips his toes in and gets a taste for these heads up matches.

Any other information on where will this be streamed at? To be honest, Dneg is somewhat sloppy when it comes to online game. Doug on the other hand is a good player when it comes to online 1v1 heads up. I've checked his video on youtube few days ago and I have seen that he is doing great on that , making lots of cash on his game

If Dneg ended up winning this, it will be total upset for Doug

[figmentofmyass]

Well that turned into a shitshow for a few days, and probably right up until the match gets underway. I am happiest about the fact that somehow a concession about holecards came about and will be visible for at least part of the match.

nice, that'll make it much more watchable.

Surprising though is I think Doug is legitimately fired up to play now. He talked before about feeling anxious when the time was coming to play, and that was part of his leaving the game. I don't see any of that in his current, come and get me approach. I even noticed him kind of accepting and calling for additional matches, some obvious putdowns and/or trolls but maybe he dips his toes in and gets a taste for these heads up matches.

they're both trying to play head games and put on facades etc. we'll see what happens. like i said, at the odds given i definitely like DN but i'm expecting doug to win. i love a good underdog though!

Any other information on where will this be streamed at? To be honest, Dneg is somewhat sloppy when it comes to online game. Doug on the other hand is a good player when it comes to online 1v1 heads up. I've checked his video on youtube few days ago and I have seen that he is doing great on that , making lots of cash on his game

If Dneg ended up winning this, it will be total upset for Doug

gimme 5 to 1 in favor of DN and you got yourself a bet.

[Steamtyme]

So October has been interesting. I was to slow/lazy to get myself a bet in on Dnegs through Pokershares lol. What can I say I love to hedge a bet, but it was fun looking through all the other offered bets. I was tempted to send over some coin regardless and bet on some of the side action but opted out. My favorite was "Where will Dougs teeth be at the end"

Sounds like for most of it we should be able to watch via Upswing or Dougs Twitch channels - They had an article on upswing that covered whatever details they had set in stone, and mentioned this. I doubt Doug will go full hole cards for it but a guy can hope.

I still haven't seen anything in regards to Dnegs play or training. Doug has been all over the place, winning big in some spots and then losing it in others. His latest tweet was him playing HS against Ali Imsirovic and losing all his profit... and then some I'm guessing 270K.

Definitely not the ego boost you'd want shortly before heading into the match.

https://upswingpoker.com/doug-polk-vs-daniel-negreanu-grudge-match-rules/

[tokeweed]

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.

Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

[arallmuus]

I still haven't seen anything in regards to Dnegs play or training.

Yep he is missing in action. He stream on his youtube channel sometimes but there hasnt been any stream lately or any new footage of him playing poker yet after all these stuff

Doug has been all over the place, winning big in some spots and then losing it in others. His latest tweet was him playing HS against Ali Imsirovic and losing all his profit... and then some I'm guessing 270K.

Definitely not the ego boost you'd want shortly before heading into the match.

Probably playing some mind trick by tweeting that. He should have just keep quiet about all these thing before the game

So what will actually happen if by any chance one of them lose horribly , like losing alot of money? It doesnt mean either of them are better than the other, its just some heads up game with some ego and lot of hype in it. Im new in these poker scene like this so Im pretty much clueless

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.

Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

5 for Dneg? Dang people must be taking Dneg lightly

[figmentofmyass]

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.

Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

5 for Dneg? Dang people must be taking Dneg lightly

punters on pokershares have been consistently pricing him above 5, usually closer to 6. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/c0baedd8-236b-4bd5-884d-ee1926743070

i dunno any other site offering odds, and they don't allow us muricans on pokershares.

i still want 5 to 1 on DN myself, if someone will take the other side of the bet....

[Steamtyme]

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.
Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

I'd be down for watching some joey over excitement commentary while watching. It's nice to know there will be some options, I'm sure Kane will give a good explanation style commentary on certain spots.

I've been trying to find some more opinion pieces. So far I've mostly just seen guys liking the odds. Here is a Hellmuth tweet which I believe Doug took up on the offer
"I think @DougPolkVids is an amazing heads up player! Especially in no limit holdem, esp online, esp over 25,000 hands. But, I’m hearing Doug is 4-to-1 favorite over @RealKidPoker. This seems high, and I’ll bet on Daniel at 4-to-1. Reach out to me if your credible"

Matusow, I don't know what to say here is his announcement of betting half his bankroll, not to mention a 5K bet on trump winning the election - that was back in March to be fair. - my favorite is Dan's tweet back "Yikes" Michael Scott "Office" Gif

I think it was Dougs twitter where he put it best.  "The bottom line is, you arent really betting on me/my ability. I will be a very good hunl player, not world class anymore, but very solid.

You are betting on how good you think Dnegs can be at an extremely challenging and complicated game."

So what will actually happen if by any chance one of them lose horribly , like losing alot of money? It doesnt mean either of them are better than the other, its just some heads up game with some ego and lot of hype in it. Im new in these poker scene like this so Im pretty much clueless

Someone walks away with a pile of money, and the other hopes they don't rub their nose in it. Nothing else apart from that, there will likely be some videos or comments made, but I expect the end t obe fairly civil surprisingly.

5 for Dneg? Dang people must be taking Dneg lightly

Just not his game, the tweet I quoted by Doug sums it up nicely.

punters on pokershares have been consistently pricing him above 5, usually closer to 6. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/c0baedd8-236b-4bd5-884d-ee1926743070
i dunno any other site offering odds, and they don't allow us muricans on pokershares.
i still want 5 to 1 on DN myself, if someone will take the other side of the bet....

I messaged Betnomi mentioning they should try and capitalize and offer odds. If they go for it I'll post. Apart from that, I did set up a pokershares account, I opted not to fund it yet because BTC was moving and I didn't really want to put any into Fiat 

I'm off for the next couple days, maybe we find some options.

Side note just announce is the first 200 hands will be live and will streamed on Pokergo free.

[Mauser]

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.

Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

5 for Dneg? Dang people must be taking Dneg lightly

punters on pokershares have been consistently pricing him above 5, usually closer to 6. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/c0baedd8-236b-4bd5-884d-ee1926743070

i dunno any other site offering odds, and they don't allow us muricans on pokershares.

i still want 5 to 1 on DN myself, if someone will take the other side of the bet....

If you find someone offering you that trade I would take a piece too. Team Daniel all they way.

I wish they would fix the laws in America so we can have all the poker players on the same platforms and people from the states wouldn't have to move to Canada or another country.

[arallmuus]

Someone walks away with a pile of money, and the other hopes they don't rub their nose in it. Nothing else apart from that, there will likely be some videos or comments made, but I expect the end t obe fairly civil surprisingly.

Its not going to looks good for whoever loses in this game . Lots of money and pride is on stake here. Someone probably going to lose up to 300k in this game and thats is definitely going to haunt them in their nightmare

I messaged Betnomi mentioning they should try and capitalize and offer odds. If they go for it I'll post. Apart from that, I did set up a pokershares account, I opted not to fund it yet because BTC was moving and I didn't really want to put any into Fiat  

They probably wont have time to set it up and not to mention that the transaction fee is quite high recently, Im out of funds in Betnomi and I probably wont sent any btc to anywhere in couple days lol

Side note just announce is the first 200 hands will be live and will streamed on Pokergo free.

Only 200 out of 12,500 hands. Dang it would be nice to see the whole game even without the hole card being shown. It is pointless if there isnt any huge action in the first 200 hands though

[figmentofmyass]

Its not going to looks good for whoever loses in this game . Lots of money and pride is on stake here.

what's it been, 6+ years of shit talking between these 2? i should hope there's a lot of pride at stake. i sure hope one of them gets destroyed---just for the lolz.

I messaged Betnomi mentioning they should try and capitalize and offer odds. If they go for it I'll post.

let me know. they geo-block americans but supposedly:

We stated multiple times, we will not ask for it except in rare circumstances.
We have been operating for almost a year now and never asked a single person for KYC.

.....so i suppose i could risk a small amount.

Side note just announce is the first 200 hands will be live and will streamed on Pokergo free.

is that all we get, 200 hands?

[Steamtyme]

Its not going to looks good for whoever loses in this game . Lots of money and pride is on stake here. Someone probably going to lose up to 300k in this game and thats is definitely going to haunt them in their nightmare

I'm pretty certain someone is going to lose 300K just from the hands alone by the time it's done. Especially if it runs the full 25K hands. I don't think either would really bat an eye at that number, now the sidebets each have made is where they can really start piling on the losses. Doug for instance has a 2 Million bet on himself, to win 500K from Bill Perkins.

Bill has also given Daniel action on the same vein at something like a 10:1, I don't know to take Perkins at his word it's legit but it sounded as if it was a motivational bet. Who knows.

Just by his demeanor and actions I think if Doug loses it will be his pride that takes the hit, and I think that will bother him more than losing the cash. I think Dan will try and brush it off and go with what a lot of people called from the beginning "I wasn't expected to win" " This was just to put an end to it, and make it fun for the fans". Again it will be an ego pride thing, that he'll try and hide. The money again would just be a feather in the cap, as he's not hurting for cash.

I messaged Betnomi mentioning they should try and capitalize and offer odds. If they go for it I'll post. Apart from that, I did set up a pokershares account, I opted not to fund it yet because BTC was moving and I didn't really want to put any into Fiat  

They probably wont have time to set it up and not to mention that the transaction fee is quite high recently, Im out of funds in Betnomi and I probably wont sent any btc to anywhere in couple days lol

Yeah I wish I had thought of it sooner, but figured if they really wanted to catch a few bets, similar to what they did with the US election, they could toss something together rather quickly.

is that all we get, 200 hands?

That's all that is going to be free, through Pokergo. I still don't really know what the final viewing options will be but I still think we will be able to see Dougs side of things via, via his or the upswing streaming channels. I think twitch but could be youtube. Luckily I have a day off on the 4th so I'll be trying to  figure out the what and the where.

Edit: Read somewhere that the 200 hands on Pokergo, will display hole cards for both players.

[arallmuus]

Just by his demeanor and actions I think if Doug loses it will be his pride that takes the hit, and I think that will bother him more than losing the cash. I think Dan will try and brush it off and go with what a lot of people called from the beginning "I wasn't expected to win" " This was just to put an end to it, and make it fun for the fans". Again it will be an ego pride thing, that he'll try and hide. The money again would just be a feather in the cap, as he's not hurting for cash.

Yeah, Doug's pride is the one at stake here and Dneg has tons of reason to brush it off in case if he lose the game. Basically he is playing in Doug's field of expertise so he is pretty much handicapped in this game

I find both of their latest tweet to be interesting . Basically Doug is signalling that he is going to win this one and Dneg signalling that he is quite bad ( or he could bluffing because he is good with these mind games )

is that all we get, 200 hands?

That's all that is going to be free, through Pokergo. I still don't really know what the final viewing options will be but I still think we will be able to see Dougs side of things via, via his or the upswing streaming channels. I think twitch but could be youtube. Luckily I have a day off on the 4th so I'll be trying to  figure out the what and the where.

I doubt Doug is going to keep silent while the game goes. There is no rules that he cant stream it during the game isnt it? If he has some good run over Dneg in around 3k hands or so , he probably will boast about it and stream it. We'll just have to wait and check his tweet

[Steamtyme]

Just over 2 hours and this thing really kicks off. I might be mistaken but it almost seems like these 200 hands are going to be played in person. That's going to be interesting as I'm sure there'll be some jabs tossed around if not during then for sure as they break.

Here is the event description from Pokergo

Daniel Negreanu and Doug Polk look to settle the score on High Stakes Feud as the two are set to play 25,000 hands of heads-up $200/$400 No-Limit Hold'em. Negreanu and Polk will face-off live from the PokerGO Studio for the first 200 hands, before moving online to continue the match and attempt to settle the score in High Stakes Feud

[arallmuus]

Just over 2 hours and this thing really kicks off. I might be mistaken but it almost seems like these 200 hands are going to be played in person. That's going to be interesting as I'm sure there'll be some jabs tossed around if not during then for sure as they break.

This is going to be very interesting. If Doug start trash talking right from the start and Dneg is tilted from the first 200 hands, things will get totally insane in the online game but Dneg probably dominate the live game eh. I wonder how much did PokerGO pay both of them to play it live in their studio. It must been a lot of money to get them both together playing exclusively for their content


Here is the link in case someone wonders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsDj1viQ4E4&ab_channel=PokerGO

85 minutes from now, See you guys on the stream  

[figmentofmyass]

i finally had a chance to sit down and watch the stream today. after all the buildup, it was a much friendlier affair than i expected---so friendly in fact that pokershares is now offering odds on whether DN will be best man at doug polk's wedding, lol: https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/8f22c541-59f7-4142-9be2-72f0265e8500

odds are at 41.

very solid play (and also a few spots of rungood) by DN---up $117k after 200 hands. it barely makes a dent in the total hand count but, nice showing anyway. it didn't affect the odds for the overall grudge match though. DN is still being priced above 6.

[Steamtyme]

i finally had a chance to sit down and watch the stream today. after all the buildup, it was a much friendlier affair than i expected---~snip~

very solid play (and also a few spots of rungood) by DN---up $117k after 200 hands. it barely makes a dent in the total hand count but, nice showing anyway. it didn't affect the odds for the overall grudge match though. DN is still being priced above 6.

It legitimately seemed like old friends, even bordering coaching at some points lol. I first watched the first hour or so, adn was like okay Doug blasted some off early - called it a miss read board later on - but was like okay he's climbing back. Then someone told me he finished the night down 117K I was like wtf happened lol. So I'm slowly trying to finish watching it just to see the spots, and now I have the first online session to watch, cheated and caught a bit of that.
Definitely not as interesting, I find the announcers voices a bit dry.
Not surprised that online went better for Doug than Daniel. I also figured Daniel might have been at a slight advantage live, if he was able to pick up on any Doug reads. I kind of whish they had gone to a 50/50 format for live and online - even switching back and forth ever 3 sessions or so.

I want to see how the next few sessions go, but if it's a lot of the same I wonder if Dan will opt out after 12.5K hands.

[arallmuus]

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It seems both of you guys totally missed the next session. They both have played another 2 hour online session and Dneg is currently losing around 275k. He was up 117k from the live session but taking a huge beat on the online session. Dneg was caught bluffing by shoving in few times but Doug was making few hero call with just one middle pair

You guys can watch it Here or Here

It legitimately seemed like old friends

Yeah they sound like an old friend playing some friendly poker after long time of not seeing each other. Doug is really looks like an online troll, he trashtalk in online but sounds nice when he meet Dneg

[figmentofmyass]

I kind of whish they had gone to a 50/50 format for live and online - even switching back and forth ever 3 sessions or so.

that would have been ideal. more competitive, and frankly live is just more entertaining, especially since these aren't super nosebleed stakes......$500/$1k like at full tilt back in the day would have been fun.

It seems both of you guys totally missed the next session. They both have played another 2 hour online session and Dneg is currently losing around 275k. He was up 117k from the live session but taking a huge beat on the online session.

You guys can watch it Here or Here

thanks, yeah i'm a couple days behind and wanted to make it a point to watch the live session. with these announcers and no hole cards, i'm more just interested in the highlight reel and the results of the online sessions.