Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

[Barnabe]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

[cabron]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already. 

[Barnabe]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already. 

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

[Juggy777]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.  

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

[TECSHARE]

Nothing to see here. Move along.

"As Trump Advances Ban, CIA Says No Evidence of TikTok Giving Data to China"

https://news.antiwar.com/2020/08/07/as-trump-advances-ban-cia-says-no-evidence-of-tiktok-giving-data-to-china/

[squatz1]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.  

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

I think one of the most fair criticism to something like this is -- why is the President the one who is able to wield this sort of power. That's not me attacking Trump or anything like that, that's me attacking  the broad powers of the executive that have only continued to strengthen throughout the decades. The President shouldn't have the power to, at the stroke of the pen without Congress, ban things as he pleases without showing evidence that they are working with a foreign government.

Do I think that TikTok should be banned? Yes. Without a doubt.

I do think it's important to note what sort of precedent gets set though. You do have to think 10 years from now. Will the next few Presidents use this as a precedent to ban apps, maybe ones that are critical of them or the government? Just spitballing here.

[Barnabe]

It is not the first time the American government forces foreign companies to sell their assets. They might benefit from this in the short term, but in the long run they are only saying to foreign companies not to invest in the USA because they will blackmail them at the end...
They have done this with several oil services companies, Huawei and now Tiktok. The excuses are especially lame with TikTok, because they are ok with the information the company is collecting, they are just not ok with who is collecting it.

Its always been the strategy to stop its companies progress. It hasn't been the first time the yare doing this. Huawei is just an example and there had been companies from Japan as well.

But its always been presentd to the public that American market is a free market but its defintiely not the case with few Chinese products already.  

Yeah, it is clear now that the American market (and regulations) are now mostly controlled by lobbies paid by the major companies to pass them favorable legislation...
If people believe in democracy and change by the people, they should vote for parties with true free market ideals (such as the libertarian party).

I don’t understand why people are so angry with Trump’s move to ban an app that’s been stealing their privacy, and further as far as I know China has blocked google, Facebook and other Americans sites, but no one seems to be complaining about China’s moves to block American sites?. Lastly no one in their right mind will vote for Libertarian party, because even people are aware that they cannot fulfil any promises that they make before the elections.

Sources:

https://ksltv.com/437951/ksl-investigates-privacy-security-concerns-with-popular-social-media-app/

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/why-libertarians-dont-win-elections

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/tiktok-wechat-china-trump-executive-order.html

China is banning these companies for political reasons, their system is quite clean about this. It's not good in my opinion, but the rules are fixed and clear. The USA have a much subtile system in which when one of their companies is losing (or if they are losing a market they consider critical), the government intervenes and helps national companies. Both situations are bad, but the US are clamming to be a free market when the government gives a clear advantage to national companies.

[Febo]

Trump has declared that he’ll ban Tiktok over privacy concerns!!!

Interesting that suddenly privacy matters once again

[squatz1]

WSJ Exclusive has some new information regarding TikTok. They're were found to have been using a banned method by Google on the android OS to obtain unique identifiers on all of their users.

Just for all the techie people, they were actually tracking users' MAC address which can't be reset or removed or anything along those lines. Even if users attempted to opt out of tracking on TikTok, it wouldn't do anything.

The WH was obviously concerned about this tracking. Makes sense to force the sale to an American company. That makes US intelligence happier. At least it keeps our tracking inside the US instead of with China..... lol

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-tracked-user-data-using-tactic-banned-by-google-11597176738?mod=hp_lead_pos2

[Vilagra]

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

[jrrsparkles]

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

They already did, but not as a separate app.Instragram was owned by facebook as well which has the tiktok like feature called Reels and it has been laucnched on different countries when Tiktok was banned there.So people who had influence on Toktok can simply carry over their dominance on to the instagram so easily by posting the same related contents of their previous ones.

[Mauser]

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

[jrrsparkles]

I know many people promote their businesses through TikTok so this will be a problem for them. Still I heard rumors that Facebook will be launching an application of the same type.

At the moment it looks like the App will be transfered to a company based in USA so it can be better monitored.

Honestly baning technology seems just wrong. But we should also crack down on China for baning Whatsapp and Instagram

FYI, China never allows any other country's social media to work inside their mainland even Google is not allowed there so they never allows any of their people to give any information to the other countries.WeChat is the only chatting app allowed there and it has almost all the features of other social media and work inside the Chinese land.

[NotATether]

Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

[squatz1]

Timely bump.

It seems that neither Microsoft nor Oracle have been able to buy Tiktok, and we're right at the original September 15 deadline. Anyone else think that ultimately no ban will be made and Trump's threats will just fizzle away?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-tiktok-sale-china-414724

...Trump issued an executive order requiring ByteDance to cease transactions in the U.S. effective Sept. 20 because of concerns about its ties to the Chinese government. He later signed a separate executive order giving the company 90 days to sell TikTok to a U.S. company, adding that the deal would need the administration's approval.

So Trump's just going to keep extending the deadline while he's waiting for results until some other world event distracts him from it?

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

[Mauser]

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

[squatz1]

Almost forgot we had a thread about this on here. Crazy the amount of news stories that we go through in the span of a month.

But Oracle is the one that was picked, Kushner has said the deal is currently being reviewed by the US. It seems like this deal isn't going to check off all of the boxes that Trump set up, because ByteDance doesn't want to give up control of the company.

Oracle (if approved) will be a trusted partner that'll (probably) host all of the US data and ensure that it isn't being given to ByteDance in anyway.

So yeah, here are some sources on that:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bytedance-tiktok-oracle-whiteho/white-houses-kushner-says-oracles-tiktok-deal-being-reviewed-idUSKBN2661WW

This is great news, finally something happening against this data storage of Chinese companies. Will this only affect American accounts or all of North America? And what about Europe? We are having the same issues over here. I wish European politicians would have a stricter approach towards Chinese companies.

I'm pretty SURE this is just the American side of the business. Other countries may join in and try for force China to do the same sort of thing, though they also face the blowback of the Chinese government attacking (regulatory attack) against their companies in. America is a bit of an outlier in regards to the amount of power they wield in geopolitics.

But yeah, I think this is JUST for US operations / data collection.

[squatz1]

Little update to what I wrote above. WSJ is reporting that Trump is NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT DEAL as it still leaves ByteDance (TikTok owner) with majority ownership of US operations for TikTok. Tresuary department has responded to ByteDances complaints regarding the US's proposal with a counterproposal, pushing for Oracle to be the majority owner of US operations.

I get it, cause you don't want to go through all of this and then just end up with a chinese company still in control of the whole thing. Data may be stored in the US under the current ByteDance proposal, but what does it change if they have full control over the company who owns the data?

“My big concern is if all we’re doing is repackaging it and still keeping it as a predominantly Chinese government-run company, that would not set well with the original goals the president outlined,” - Mark Meadows

Source : https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-concerns-grow-over-emerging-tiktok-deal-with-oracle-11600359798?mod=hp_lead_pos1

[akram143]

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

[squatz1]

^ Just this news in my locale language where they mentioned that Trump is not happy with the majority of company is still owned by the Bytedance company.

Another Chinese company called Tencent is not moving their head office to Singapore since India banned Pubg and also they concern about USA as next to ban so they are taking actions early to save them from huge losses.

Yeah I highly doubt PUBG (and TenCent holdings as a whole) is suspect to getting knocked down for some stuff. TikTok is big and a data hog of American citizens. Pubg is really not the same IMO.

They best thing they can do, proactively, is to try to partner with American companies for retaining their data. This could be something that is more beneficial for these people if it's cheaper to host their data with someone like Amazon (and Microsoftr) instead of self hosted or another foreign competitor.

But this story about Trump and TikTok changes all the time, seems like Trump is now saying that he has agreed to the deal between TikTok, Oracle and Walmart. But with how the news works, things could change as quickly as tomorrow (or the next few hours, lol)