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September 29, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
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if boris wanted to push a untested vaccine to save him some treasury money. he would have done it in april
the reason it was not released in april-june is because they went through phase 1 tests. then it again wasnt released in july-october because of phase2 and now phase 3 tests.. so that instantly debunks your 'inadequately tested vaccine' theory

the reason why they are doing tests is because they are testing people.
the only reason why phase1,2,3 happen in rapid succession is because instead of testing for 3months and then messing around for 6 months having meetings about checking reports and questioning participants. is because they instead kept in contact with participants DURING the phases. meaning that with regular checking within phases and efficient reporting in days instead of months. they could move onto the next stage

meaning people are tested and they are checked on regularly throughout the tests, rather than waiting till the end and then messing around for months

it seems your misinformation thinks no one is being checked on and tested.. which is a failure on your part to actually seek information. because in your view 'you had enough' .. maybe if you stopped getting your info from scammy culty conspiracy sites you would not be bored of the misinformation. by actually researching proper sources you would have got proper information.
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October 20, 2020, 04:05:35 PM
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The virus seems to have been created to target certain area of the population, that the likes of Bill Gates and Hilary Clinten state should be part of their eugenics programme.
Upon seeing this particular sentence, I'm heat with the reality that Mr. Trump and some other top officers at the white house was confirmed positive and specifically, Mr. Trump is said to have recovered and contermination free, the status of the rest, I don't know. With this in mind and the fact that, your statement confirms that, the virus was targeted at certain age grade of which I can only assumed for possible elimination purposes, Mr. Trump is still living and healthy at that. I believe, his immune system should be less active although, his got some of the best or the best medical practioners to see him through that but then, I'll maintain the fact that, it wasn't targeted at any one or though, I won't dispute it's possibility.

But then, it really doesn't make sense that the age grade of which the virus affects is not being used for testing of the vaccine. Using the healthy youths to test for the potency of a vaccine against a virus that is lethal to mainly the aged and people with certain respiratory health complications would just create a bias in determining it's potency.
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October 21, 2020, 06:51:03 AM
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But then, it really doesn't make sense that the age grade of which the virus affects is not being used for testing of the vaccine. Using the healthy youths to test for the potency of a vaccine against a virus that is lethal to mainly the aged and people with certain respiratory health complications would just create a bias in determining it's potency.

it about do no harm. the very same reason why no country has yet to revoke the ethical clause that prevents trial participants to then be injected/inhale the actual virus a few months after vaccination to see how effective it is in a short trial time period

take it another way. imagine a certain group of people feared swimming or were prone to easily drown.
and science found a new water substance that was more buoyant than normal water. they would first test it on confident swimmers to see if it actually is more buoyant. they would prefer expert swimmer that can describe the experience in better detail and be more critical. making sure it offers greater safety for swimmers.. before letting the at risk group try it.
EG chaffing and wrinkly skin is normal. but to an inexperienced swimmer they would say its a fault with the test water solution, thus create issues with accurate reporting.

where atrisk groups with age and medical conditions would be more complainy about small things thus not offer good reliable circumstantial/consequential review of the science.
EG having gout for 10 years but not telling a doctor.  then have a vaccine and suddenly start talking about their gout and their 25yo autistic child. and start thinking the vaccine caused it

so picking a group which are reliable and more honest helps get better results.
teachers and doctors are offered participation in trials for all of them reasons, especially the better reliability of reporting.and also they are more prone to then be in contact with larger groups of random people to then get natural infections through their daily life without having to be injected/inhaling the actual virus on purpose

the intermediate results of if the vaccine has caused any adverse reactions come out soon for a few trials. but thats just about if the vaccine is bad in of itself
the parts about if it can protect against covid wont really begin until 2021+
so they may expand the participation group to include more random people of different ages/backgrounds once they know the vaccine is deemed safe(even before its deemed effective)

trump wants to use this intermediary safety report as the excuse to put millions of people into participation before christmas. pretending the lack of vaccine adverse reaction is proof of protection/effectiveness against covid(facepalm)

i personally would rather wait until next july/october when the results of if the vaccine actually protects against covid come out
as for the UK wanting permission to be exempt from the clause preventing actually giving people the covid virus on purpose in a lab condition. this may speed results of effectiveness up by 5-6 months.
this is a small trial on under 100 people, and im not sure they will get such permission without offering the best care they can if such trial participants did get sick due to lack of effectiveness.
usually there would need to be good medical treatments that can nearly guarantee survival to grant permission of harming people on purpose
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October 21, 2020, 02:08:30 PM
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It isn't the COVID itself that's killing people, but the shit that they inhale when their lung immune system is busy fighting covid cells.
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October 21, 2020, 02:37:13 PM
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If you stay hydrated, then mucociliary clearance should handle that.
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October 21, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
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If you stay hydrated, then mucociliary clearance should handle that.

tell that to people getting sick because they frequent places that primarily sell drinks
covid is a novel virus. meaning new. meaning your body has not seen it before to know it needs to activate your snot glands before damage is done. meaning you cant rely on your mucus to save you if you are trying to infer that in your mind the mucociliary clearance as the snotty nose first defense


mucocilliary clearance is more the cleanup, after the damage.
which covid is different to flu because it seems to inhibit the repair systems after. hense the long covid

its not a 48hour flu and then fine experience
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February 10, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
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Developers plan to test their new vaccines on young healthy volunteers.
That's right. They will not test the new vaccine on old, sick people. And besides, who will agree to testing with weak immunity. They will test healthy people, and, depending on the results, will decide what to do next.
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February 14, 2021, 05:22:47 AM
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The vaccine Developers plan to test their new vaccines on young healthy volunteers. This confuses me, as the immune system of these volunteers will be on top of the virus as soon as it sees it, and it will be difficult to determine the effects of the vaccine. Another problem stems from the fact that 80% of the population has probably developed a natural immunity.

I believe that the results from the experiments will not be completely true. The vaccine might be given the praise that the immune system is suppose to be given. Many friends of mine experienced one or two symptoms of the virus covid (Some mostly reporting a loss in smell and taste) something that they have never experienced in their lives, many did not visit a hospital to get tested or quarantined, they simply stayed home, ate well and took a few medications (mostly vitamins). After some few days, their senses of smell and taste returned. It is safe to say that alot have developed immunity on their own, and simply testing their vaccine on healthy individuals like this might not give a complete and thorough evaluation of the drug (vaccine).
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March 07, 2021, 12:25:38 PM
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If you stay hydrated, then mucociliary clearance should handle that.

Just go to a hospital. You will see low-risk in action by yourself and you can stress-test your own "mucus" theory. A cat like you should be able to sneak by the back door.
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March 07, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
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If you stay hydrated, then mucociliary clearance should handle that.

Just go to a hospital. You will see low-risk in action by yourself and you can stress-test your own "mucus" theory. A cat like you should be able to sneak by the back door.

for seasonal flu thats been around for year. peoples immune systems learn defenses and one of them eventually is a mucus reaction. yep your mucus reaction is when your immune system knows its sensed something it does not like.

covid however is not old.. its new. your body doesnt recognise the strain so wont trigger the early defense of mucus.

having a wet mouth wont reduce the risk..
inhaling the virus is air that goes into lungs..
washing your mouth is advice about bacteria attached to food and your gums..
where the advice is to spit out the water(rinse and spit). not rinse and swallow

covid is a respiratory virus. not a mouth bateria

with covid. the initial symptoms are fever cough and loss of smell/taste
in laymans terms.. no snot or saliva increase.
peoples coughs are chesty cough and itchy throats..
peoples coughs are not flemmy build up of saliva

peoples nose issues are not snot or sneezing
peoples nose issues are dry irritated/loss of sense

meaning covid is not naturally defended against using mucus because your body doesnt recognise covid.
covid is new last year. people havnt had it before for their body to learn how to defend ready for second season
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