Why Hidden Agendas Against Sportsbet ?

[JollyGood]

It is clear Sportsbet have not been articulating themselves in a clear manner on several occasions when posting in the forum addressing those that claim to be victims but that cannot negate what those sniffing around anti-Sportsbet threads are doing:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266016.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265723.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263445.0


Several users have jumped on the anti-Sportsbet bandwagon but what is their agenda? None of them have claimed to be Sportsbet users or victims of alleged wrongdoing so why are they floating around trying to inflame the situation without bringing anything positive to the table?

What is in it for them if they try to discredit Sportsbet?

Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?


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[notblox1]

I did noticed something strange happening around sportsbet in bitcointalk forum.
I am not defending anyone and I think that if they did something wrong they should correct it,
but many newbie accounts created scam accusations topics in similar time and they are keeping them at top:
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266016.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265366.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266592.0

And more topics with disputes settled.

[OgNasty]

Attack campaigns are nothing new on bitcointalk. All it takes is one emotional user getting their feelings hurt. With so many members willing to say and do anything to fling mud at those who they dislike, it’s really impossible to see the truth around here these days.

[suchmoon]

Why yet another thread about Sportsbet and/or game-protect?

Anything that needs to be said can be said in the dozen or so threads that already exist on those topics. I'd argue that pretty much everything has been said and 99% of what can actually be done is in Sportsbet's hands.

[teeGUMES]

Every single online casino that advertises here has had their turn with this. (Livecoin, FortuneJack, Sportsbet, etc..) The thing that inflames the masses is when a bunch of paid signature wearers immediately attack the account. You're not being paid to act as a lawyer for these casinos.. you're getting paid to post and bring awareness to the website. Some people don't quite understand this and many have fallen from grace looking like blind shills.

[JollyGood]

Yes I see. Just staying neutral in all this drama one can see something is not quite right.

Sportsbet should be adjusting their threshold to what constitutes a scam whatever it might be but at the same time they are receiving lots of negative posts from alleged victims. What is in it for those mentioned ion the OP to attack Sportsbet?

I did noticed something strange happening around sportsbet in bitcointalk forum.
I am not defending anyone and I think that if they did something wrong they should correct it,
but many newbie accounts created scam accusations topics in similar time and they are keeping them at top:
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266016.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265366.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266592.0

And more topics with disputes settled.

[Fag20]

Every single online casino that advertises here has had their turn with this. (Livecoin, FortuneJack, Sportsbet, etc..) The thing that inflames the masses is when a bunch of paid signature wearers immediately attack the account. You're not being paid to act as a lawyer for these casinos.. you're getting paid to post and bring awareness to the website. Some people don't quite understand this and many have fallen from grace looking like blind shills.

100% I see the self appointed forum police combing the scene all the time. Why do they do it, they don’t get paid. Or is it just because it’s an easy load of shit post for their paid avatar &  banner?

The guy mindrust is the best example of a shit post fake cop. He talks like donkey shit, a sure Fag.

[JollyGood]

Attack campaigns are nothing new on bitcointalk. All it takes is one emotional user getting their feelings hurt. With so many members willing to say and do anything to fling mud at those who they dislike,.

I have seen several attacks on users during my time here in the forum but the manner in which there seems to be some accounts created specifically to attack, jump on the bandwagon and fling that mud at those they dislike or have a hidden agenda against - it is somewhat strange.

it’s really impossible to see the truth around here these days.

That is the main danger of misinformation by newbies and those with hidden agendas against Sportsbet.

I am not a Sportsbet supporter, game player or representative. The only parts of their conduct I disagree with was with them having that experimental arbitration with forum members to discuss the allegation against them and also the manner in which sometimes they fail to articulate their views when addressing those making allegations against them.

It would be better for them to freeze the accounts immediately of those suspected of breaching their ToS rather than freeze them when they try to withdraw wins but allow them to bet and lose. Apart from that I have no issue at all with Sportsbet because their ToS clearly state what they can and will do if they discover fraud and all users know that before they sign up.

[ChuckBuck]

Anything that needs to be said can be said in the dozen or so threads that already exist on those topics. I'd argue that pretty much everything has been said and 99% of what can actually be done is in Sportsbet's hands.

If I'm not mistaken, I haven't heard any explanation from the Sportsbet side, they seem to ignore the issues the other users have mentioned

Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?

gosha@e-coin most likely someone's alt I've seen him in gambling threads right from the moment he started running again. But he did not denounce sportbet at that moment, Sporstbet became an object at a later time. Personally, maybe someone would like to be the second game-protect 

[Botnake]

Regardless of their agenda, they only know it themselves, and it's not new in the forum as sometimes I can see some politics playing around the forum, we are unique individual and we have different intention sometimes but what matters is the evidence of the scam and the reputation of the site.

All scam accusations are coming from newbie accounts, so they have no integrity unless they provide a solid evidence to support their accusation, and these accounts can be a throw away accounts.

That's why it's important that we should not react directly everytime we see a scam accusation thread, regardless of the reputation of the gambling site, we should all based on the evidence so we cannot be bias on our own. Personally I can say that sportsbet is a good site based on my experience but it could be a different case for others, but then as long as there's no valid accusation, site still keep their good reputation.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?

That could well be the case, but I don't know about the rest of them, as I haven't been following the sportsbet drama too closely.  But who knows why other members jump in on any of these things?  It could be that they're just shitposters making posts to get paid (I haven't checked their signature spaces); it could be that they're trolls; it could be that they've got their own gripes against sportsbet....who knows?

Attack campaigns are nothing new on bitcointalk. All it takes is one emotional user getting their feelings hurt. With so many members willing to say and do anything to fling mud at those who they dislike, it’s really impossible to see the truth around here these days.

I'll agree with you on that one, but that's not to say that everyone who jumps in on one of those "attack campaigns" doesn't have a valid point, because I've seen instances of that.  What everyone has to remember is that there are a lot of trolls on this forum and a lot of alt accounts.  You never really know why someone is saying what they're saying or even who they really are sometimes.

[Little Mouse]

It could be that they're just shitposters making posts to get paid (I haven't checked their signature spaces); it could be that they're trolls; it could be that they've got their own gripes against sportsbet....who knows?

It can be raising voice against all the casinos in general too about their false terms and conditions. There are some people taking the issue so seriously and trying hard to defame sportsbet but there are some people too who are only after the false terms and conditions of different casinos. There are something else too. I think you are not so active in reputation board anymore.

[JollyGood]

This is true, for those wearing signatures and getting paid does not mean they should jump to the defence of those companies blindly but it does help to have a healthy debate. Unfortunately a couple of users have allowed their frustration get to the better of them and have come across as supporters of those that pay for they signature campaign but their hearts were in the right place and were driven by money, they were probably frustrated at the audience and attention given to newbies making claims against established casinos.

Every single online casino that advertises here has had their turn with this. (Livecoin, FortuneJack, Sportsbet, etc..) The thing that inflames the masses is when a bunch of paid signature wearers immediately attack the account. You're not being paid to act as a lawyer for these casinos.. you're getting paid to post and bring awareness to the website. Some people don't quite understand this and many have fallen from grace looking like blind shills.

[TalkStar]

I'll agree with you on that one, but that's not to say that everyone who jumps in on one of those "attack campaigns" doesn't have a valid point, because I've seen instances of that.  

In some cases new gamblers open accusation without valid point or evidences and most of the time it happens because they don't feel it necessary to read terms & conditions before using a gambling website. After facing issues with withdrawal they think that website authorities are not providing fair service. In a situation like this they follow the way of creating accusation by their own and don't care actually its valid or not.        

       
What everyone has to remember is that there are a lot of trolls on this forum and a lot of alt accounts.  You never really know why someone is saying what they're saying or even who they really are sometimes.

Ignoring is the best option when they are looking for your response on their thread. If any specific group have their own agenda to spoil any platforms fame then no one can't stop them from doing this rather then ignoring. Accusation with valid point is always a priority and forum community is giving enough response on this field.        

This is true, for those wearing signatures and getting paid does not mean they should jump to the defence of those companies blindly but it does help to have a healthy debate.

If anyone support a specific company blindly just for that he/she is getting regular payment from them then they should think twice before supporting again. Participating on signature campaign doesn’t mean that anyone have to support their wrong doings or mistakes. Yeah its true that as a participant if you see that someone is trying to spread lies then its your responsibility to defense or stop but it doesn’t mean that you will support anything without Justifying.              

[marlboroza]

Several users have jumped on the anti-Sportsbet bandwagon but what is their agenda? None of them have claimed to be Sportsbet users or victims of alleged wrongdoing so why are they floating around trying to inflame the situation without bringing anything positive to the table?

I wouldn't really start a topic like this one without looking at the other side of that coin as well, I mean, some users around here are shilling hard for them. For example, that Fag20 account looks like shill:

Your account was locked for multi-accounting amongst other reasons. Support sent you an email requesting that you verify documents. No response on your side to that email.

Can you provide info on how you came to the conclusion of multi accounting please? This just is not good enough, casinos keep doing this, we need concrete proofs of a misdemeanour by the OP or a flag could be in place.

As everyone can see, it is not good when stake does this, proofs are needed in this case but when sportsbet does the same thing:

Dirty, cheating Russian’s. I am not surprised, it’s always somebody else’s fault isn’t it. Bow down to Putin infidels.

(https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5495/54952939.html)

Simply must be more to this than it seems. All of these scam accusers are Russian & they’re all within a very short space of time. It can’t be a coincidence, what are the chances of lots of micro scams all affecting Russian players? Foul play must be suspected.

I am not russian

Another Russki scammer haha. These guys are as subtle as a brick through a window.

All betting on table tennis? Skam is obvious is skam, how much are you guys paying the bent player(s)

I only placed bets on e-Football, i am not good at table tennis so i didn't bet on it at all.

...who gives a fuck about proofs then and that this Fag20 account post false things.


Of course, it's not only Russian’s:

Genuinely wondering why it only seems to be Russian ‘noobs’ that post about ‘problems’ with sportsbet here?

...Serbs and who knows which other nationality cheats, everyone bets on "dodgy table tennis games" with their "questionable alts":

Why would I trust people who distrust me for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right?

But as I can see from topics, there are no proofs of multiaccounting, there is no proof that tennis game is rigged dodgy. You can also start topic about hidden agendas of users who blindly defend bookie.

Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?

Maybe they are curious? They want transparency? Who knows...

[AjdinS]

The truth is that a lot of users earn their bread from sportsbet.io signatures and when someone raises a genuine question against them there are people who try to blindly support them and attack the person who actually is scammed.

Opening such topics shows how many puppies sportsbet.io have purchased with the few dollars they throw at these paid dogs

Sportsbet have flaws as they do not make it clear whether they need ID proof from users or not, then they have no proofs when they accuse a user for multiple accounting and freeze his funds which later was solved but still there is no proof given.

[yahoo62278]

The truth is that a lot of users earn their bread from sportsbet.io signatures and when someone raises a genuine question against them there are people who try to blindly support them and attack the person who actually is scammed.

Opening such topics shows how many puppies sportsbet.io have purchased with the few dollars they throw at these paid dogs

Sportsbet have flaws as they do not make it clear whether they need ID proof from users or not, then they have no proofs when they accuse a user for multiple accounting and freeze his funds which later was solved but still there is no proof given.

Supporting a company that pays you isn't always bad. Supporting a company that pays you while being proven wrong is what is bad.

[JollyGood]

Well if gosha@e-coin is game-protect then all he wants is money from the alleged victims with ridiculous promises of legal action so he is nothing more than a leech trying to suck blood from an alleged victim by lining his own pocket but what are the real motives of the others?

gosha@e-coin most likely someone's alt I've seen him in gambling threads right from the moment he started running again. But he did not denounce sportbet at that moment, Sporstbet became an object at a later time. Personally, maybe someone would like to be the second game-protect 

He does seem to share the game-protect style of posting 

Regardless of their agenda, they only know it themselves, and it's not new in the forum as sometimes I can see some politics playing around the forum, we are unique individual and we have different intention sometimes but what matters is the evidence of the scam and the reputation of the site.

All scam accusations are coming from newbie accounts, so they have no integrity unless they provide a solid evidence to support their accusation, and these accounts can be a throw away accounts.

That's why it's important that we should not react directly everytime we see a scam accusation thread, regardless of the reputation of the gambling site, we should all based on the evidence so we cannot be bias on our own. Personally I can say that sportsbet is a good site based on my experience but it could be a different case for others, but then as long as there's no valid accusation, site still keep their good reputation.

When newbies make accusations they should feel the right to do so without worrying about them not having any post history but each case of allegation needs to be assessed on its own merit. When political play comes in to the equation it ruins things because it takes attention away from the real issue about any allegation being made whether against Sportsbet or any other casino.

Thank you for sharing your own experience of Sportsbet, some have similar good experiences and others have had bad experiences. Sportsbet really do have to take some of the blame here because of the manner in which they addressed various issues here in the forum including having members arbitrate on a user making allegations but hopefully they will be improving their image by being more active in their

[Boris007]

There is nothing wrong and no hidden agenda behind.
Things come naturally when you keep fucking good people out of their patience.

Well, I don't want to start a new thread but what you can do when your patience has been tested for 50 days?