I lost my Bitcoins by fishing attack "update electrum 4".

[vernalcomfort]

HI EVERYONE: IN 04.08.2020. I WANT TO SEND 0.58BTC FROM MY ELECTRUM 3.** COLD WALLET TO ANOTHER ADDRESS: WHEN EVERYTHING WAS READY, I PUSHED THE BUTTON "SEND". BUT ELECTRUM 3.** ANSWER BY ERROR AND THE WINDOW THAT FOR TRANSACTION I MUST TO UPDATE UP TO ELECTRUM 4. I DO THAT AND THE VIRUS THAT I GOT, CHANGED  MY BTC ADDRESS OT ANOTHER ONE - NOT MINE - bc1qcygs9dl4pqw6atc4yqudrzd76p3r9cp6xp2kny.

    Now. 1. Which law enforcement agencies should I contact to label or mark these Bitcoins are stolen, if I am not citizen USA.
            2. Have I chances to bring it back in future (for ex. after 10 years or more), if law enforcement confiscated in the future that Bitcions.
            3. My BTC address that I lost Bitcoins 12hcyjoHnB8vw6dXnXqn17jYmJ9e14SrbH

Thanks, you are great.

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[AB de Royse777]

Unfortunately no law enforcement agency and anyone else in the earth can do anything for you. I am sorry that your coins are gone forever. It is always recommended to verify the downloaded file before installing.

[vernalcomfort]

Unfortunately no law enforcement agency and anyone else in the earth can do anything for you. I am sorry that your coins are gone forever. It is always recommended to verify the downloaded file before installing.

     But I don’t Lose hope. All the thing is, I haven't lost them. They stole from me. If I was citizen of USA, could I report to FBI for example???

[AB de Royse777]

     But I don’t Lose hope. All the thing is, I haven't lost them. They stole from me. If I was citizen of USA, could I report to FBI for example???

Unless they find the person and force him to reverse the tx, you have no chance.
Bitcoin is not a centralized system where any agency or any tech expert will reverse the tx once the tx is confirmed.


Honestly speaking, your chances are near to zero to receive back the coins. Take this as lesson and be more careful when you are handling crypto currency.

[Lucius]

Unfortunately, you are the victim of an already well-known attack that dates back to end of 2018, and all users who still have versions older than 3.3.4 are exposed to a phishing attack.

Of course, you can report your case to the police in your country, but they can't do anything about it - because the matter is quite complex, and the person behind the attack is certainly not a naive person. As far as I know, none of the victims managed to get back the stolen coins - and the best chance would be to catch that hacker and take away stolen BTC from him.

Although then each of the victims would have to prove that BTC was stolen from them, and the only correct way is to sign a message from the address from which the BTC was stolen. The chance is always there, but it's very small - I personally wouldn't hope too much.

[vernalcomfort]

Unfortunately, you are the victim of an already well-known attack that dates back to end of 2018, and all users who still have versions older than 3.3.4 are exposed to a phishing attack.

Of course, you can report your case to the police in your country, but they can't do anything about it - because the matter is quite complex, and the person behind the attack is certainly not a naive person. As far as I know, none of the victims managed to get back the stolen coins - and the best chance would be to catch that hacker and take away stolen BTC from him.

Although then each of the victims would have to prove that BTC was stolen from them, and the only correct way is to sign a message from the address from which the BTC was stolen. The chance is always there, but it's very small - I personally wouldn't hope too much.

Thank you Lucius. Alas in Armenia where I'm from, the police don't take my report, cause BTC here have non status. And they don't know what's it. But report another countries law enforcement agencies I have no right. The problem is not, that I lost BTC, but the Lack of international unified regulatory legal framework, which would allow me to contact some kind of cyber police that operates all over the world, no matter my citizenship. Hopefully in the future we will live better conditions.

[khaled0111]

The hacker's address used here received more than 89 btc and certainly there are more addresses with more stolen money, just imagine the number of victims! We never heard that anyone of them succeeded to get his money back.

Sorry for your loss but if I were you, I would just forget about it and move on.
Even if the hacker gets arrested then there is not much that can be done without the addresses' private keys.

Regarding law enforcement agencies, afaik they will sell the seized bitcoins in public auctions.

[HCP]

The problem is not, that I lost BTC, but the Lack of international unified regulatory legal framework, which would allow me to contact some kind of cyber police that operates all over the world, no matter my citizenship. Hopefully in the future we will live better conditions.

Sorry for your loss... but I would point out that an "international unified regulatory legal framework", kind of goes against the entire philosophy of Bitcoin.

[Sanitough]

I've seen similar problem in the past, by the way that's phishing, not fishing, in case you'll file a report to the authorities, at least you make it right.

Sorry for your loss, there's nothing you can do but to accept it and learn from your mistakes.
You should have not downloaded when it prompted a message to download or update your app, all downloads must be taken from their official website.

[sheenshane]

We're almost the same victim of this phishing attack when I was updated my Electrum wallet, but luckily, my habit to always check the official website before downloading anything was saved me from the possible hack.

Again, as they say. Sorry for your loss, the chance of recovering your Bitcoin it might be 10% the rest IDK if you will recover it.

But here is the tip, I saw popular website that has a public database of bitcoin addresses that have been used by hackers/scammers. You can file report on File Bitcoin Abuse Report. It will track the scammer's transaction and mark every linked address as a scam.

[vernalcomfort]

We're almost the same victim of this phishing attack when I was updated my Electrum wallet, but luckily, my habit to always check the official website before downloading anything was saved me from the possible hack.

Again, as they say. Sorry for your loss, the chance of recovering your Bitcoin it might be 10% the rest IDK if you will recover it.

But here is the tip, I saw popular website that has a public database of bitcoin addresses that have been used by hackers/scammers. You can file report on File Bitcoin Abuse Report. It will track the scammer's transaction and mark every linked address as a scam.

Thank you Sheenshane. It really can help me in future, better do something than nothing, right? I see a lot of peoples here when heard that someone's bitcoins was stolen saying "forget it". Of course, My chances is very small to do something, but I will always active and closely will follow the development of events.
Maybe someday in future Luck will smile at me.

Thanks for your help, I report in www.bitcoinabuse.com. Maybe it not help me, but can help others.

[NeuroticFish]

HI EVERYONE: IN 04.08.2020. I WANT TO SEND 0.58BTC FROM MY ELECTRUM 3.** COLD WALLET TO ANOTHER ADDRESS: WHEN EVERYTHING WAS READY, I PUSHED THE BUTTON "SEND". BUT ELECTRUM 3.** ANSWER BY ERROR AND THE WINDOW THAT FOR TRANSACTION I MUST TO UPDATE UP TO ELECTRUM 4. I DO THAT AND THE VIRUS THAT I GOT, CHANGED  MY BTC ADDRESS OT ANOTHER ONE - NOT MINE

1. Writing all uppercase means you are yelling at us. Maybe you should consider writing normally.
2. Beware, you seem to misunderstand what cold storage means. Cold storage means a computer that's always (and always) offline. It's used to sign transactions, and those transactions will be broadcasted online by another computer. (So in a correct cold storage you would not be able to update since you are offline).

Sorry for your loss though.

[Lucius]

I see a lot of peoples here when heard that someone's bitcoins was stolen saying "forget it". Of course, My chances is very small to do something, but I will always active and closely will follow the development of events.

This is unfortunately the case - and that is why cryptocurrency hacking is very popular, in the vast majority of cases it is never revealed who the perpetrator is, especially if it hides the traces well. What you can do is contact all the known big crypto exchanges and try to ask them to block the hacker's address if he ever try to sell your coins through them. Of course, a hacker most likely has a well-established method of laundering those stolen coins - but I agree that it's just wrong to say "move on, nothing can be done".

Prevention is far better than repairing damage, and you have to learn something from this difficult life lesson - and what we keep saying is that such significant amounts of BTC should not be stored in desktop/mobile wallets. Hardware wallets certainly have their drawbacks, but if you had only invested $50 in one such device you might still have your BTC.

[khaled0111]

maybe there’s something I don’t understand but how malware has managed to change address in transaction signed by cold wallet? Cold wallet is that one which is sitting on air-gapped computer, device never been online and free of any viruses, apriori.

I suppose OP meant to say he didn't use his wallet for a long time. A cold wallet is basically an offline wallet.
To receive the phishing message, your wallet has to be connected to one of the malicious servers.. So no, it can't be a cold wallet.

@OP, sorry for telling you "forget about it". I simply didn't want to give you false hope but deep inside I hope you will, somehow, manage to recover your stolen coins.

[vernalcomfort]

maybe there’s something I don’t understand but how malware has managed to change address in transaction signed by cold wallet? Cold wallet is that one which is sitting on air-gapped computer, device never been online and free of any viruses, apriori.

I suppose OP meant to say he didn't use his wallet for a long time. A cold wallet is basically an offline wallet.
To receive the phishing message, your wallet has to be connected to one of the malicious servers.. So no, it can't be a cold wallet.

@OP, sorry for telling you "forget about it". I simply didn't want to give you false hope but deep inside I hope you will, somehow, manage to recover your stolen coins.

I use electrun 3.** and 2 year I only send in by my wallet. I have that wallet seed and my BTC address private key on my paper note book that I keep in a secret place. But someone 5 days ago, entered to my apartment and stole my money. He/she find my note book, but not took it. I was shocked and started to quickly send my bitcoins to another wallet. Because someone is saw all secret information. I opened my electrum offline wallet, connected to internet, open another new  wallet, wrote seed, and started to send from old wallet to new. At first the server is not answer and in low right side indicator was red. I select the another server and try to do again. A few time I closed and opened 2 wallets, because I was copy new wallet address, but cant paste to another for send. Then I coped it on MS word, and try again. When everything was ready, in old wallet I wrote new wallet address and chose send maximum BTC in wallet, I pushed button "send". That time I was online, and the program give an error. "For sending you must to update your wallet to elecrtum 4, I installed and GOODBYE.....I lost and cash and virtual money same day. HERE IS ALL MY FUN STORY.

[khaled0111]

Sorry to hear that!
Probably the one who broke into your house didn't know about bitcoin that's why he didn't take the note book as he has no clue what those words mean.

That time I was online, and the program give an error. "For sending you must to update your wallet to elecrtum 4, I installed and GOODBYE.....

yes, this is the phishing message you get when using a version older than 3.3.4
You had to verify the signature of the downlaoded file to be sure you didn't download a fake version.

[TopTort777]

Sorry for your loss, but there is nothing you can do.
That  is a very expensive lesson you have learned. Next time when something asks you to update something, dont be lazy, check official site if they have really made an update.

[vernalcomfort]

HI EVERYONE: IN 04.08.2020. I WANT TO SEND 0.58BTC FROM MY ELECTRUM 3.** COLD WALLET TO ANOTHER ADDRESS: WHEN EVERYTHING WAS READY, I PUSHED THE BUTTON "SEND". BUT ELECTRUM 3.** ANSWER BY ERROR AND THE WINDOW THAT FOR TRANSACTION I MUST TO UPDATE UP TO ELECTRUM 4. I DO THAT AND THE VIRUS THAT I GOT, CHANGED  MY BTC ADDRESS OT ANOTHER ONE - NOT MINE

1. Writing all uppercase means you are yelling at us. Maybe you should consider writing normally.
2. Beware, you seem to misunderstand what cold storage means. Cold storage means a computer that's always (and always) offline. It's used to sign transactions, and those transactions will be broadcasted online by another computer. (So in a correct cold storage you would not be able to update since you are offline).

Sorry for your loss though.

1. Writing all uppercase means this question more important to me.
2. You right about cold wallet is always offline, and electrum can be cold wallet to, cause as you say t's used to sign transactions, and those transactions will be broadcast online by another computer. But I didn't do that. I was hurry up and was shocked and connect to internet to do that transaction quick. You can find more details in the description in the post that I telling what happened. It started "I use electrun 3.**"
3. I am newer here, and don't know all yours community specifics. Don't Judge Me so Strong.

[vernalcomfort]

Sorry to hear that!
Probably the one who broke into your house didn't know about bitcoin that's why he didn't take the note book as he has no clue what those words mean.

That time I was online, and the program give an error. "For sending you must to update your wallet to elecrtum 4, I installed and GOODBYE.....

Now I think so.... but that time I'm not thought. Its very ironic. I wanted to save bitcoins from a thief, but sent them to another scammer.

[vernalcomfort]

Sorry for your loss, but there is nothing you can do.
That  is a very expensive lesson you have learned. Next time when something asks you to update something, dont be lazy, check official site if they have really made an update.

Thank you. But I will follow that bitcoins. may be in future something I can to do. I am so deeply Not upset because I lost Bitcoins, but because I cannot contact any law enforcement agencies. It very wrong. I know that even they have almost no chance, but at least they have someone to turn to.