Working online for bitcoin - would you give this up?

[OgNasty]

Known pedophile wants to access cameras in your house... Sure sounds like nothing could go wrong here.

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[Vod]

Known pedophile wants to access cameras in your house... Sure sounds like nothing could go wrong here.

Sorry, you will not have access to the cameras, Mr. OG.  

my advice is to find a way of discouraging any means of automating those tasks to wide off those who wants to circumvent those tasks and your efforts at all cost thus depriving thousand of real and legitimate workers globally means of earning some bucks.

whoa.... can you rephrase that?   I don't understand.  

[VSYNC_]

ie. instead of the metric being "is a real person completing the task", you could sidestep the hassle of involving cameras and just change the metric to "is the task being completed to a satisfactory level" which is much easier to check and won't involve messy privacy stuff.

I like your continued interest; helping me flush out ideas.

I need to verify that the user is unique - they cannot complete the task successfully if I don't know they are unique.  When I get into mediation, for example - a person could paste an address that isn't correct.  The system won't know, but a person can look at the evidence and say "yes, that is his address" or "no, that is not his address".   If you get one person running dozens of tasks, he can easily skew the results in his favor.

If I want to be able to pay per hour, I need to make sure the person is the same as they were before, and that they are in front of the computer.

Ok, I get you.  You need to know that each user is unique as they are completing tasks.

Just as a suggestion, there's two points that you can do this: 1st is the point you're looking at now, at the time of the task being completed.  Using a camera you can see that they are indeed someone unique.  You do this every time they complete a task.

The 2nd option though is checking they are unique a single time before they are viable for tasks, and then attaching them to their account.  Logically, if they wanted to set up lots of accounts, they would fail the subsequent attempts because of a single check on each account.

The way that most platforms achieve this is using a unique govt ID, photo + message on a piece of paper.  Once they complete that and send it to you, you can assign "that face" to "that account" and never have to worry about it again.  

The reason this is superior is two-fold: one, people are used to doing this already with other platforms so it sounds way less weird than having a camera watching them.  No one will bat an eye if you ask for a photo with their passport and a message saying "vod's website name, date, signature".

Two, it's computationally less expensive for you, and reduces process times as well.  Incorporating cameras into your system means they have to run autonomously at the right time, record things for you to see later, or even worse (computationally) you incorporate some kind of deep learning model into the mix which checks peoples' faces on-the-fly each time they complete a task.  It's additional latency, things that need to be completed etc etc where it's a huge reduction of complexity to check once, store that image, and then every time a new person creates an account run the deep learning model on that image against all other images you already have stored for existing accounts.

Besides it's a super low-jack method of achieving this.  You can use file uploading, and an extra page in your workflow, and you can even run the deep learning model for face recognition/comparison on an aws instance without needing to even connect that to the system of the site.  The alternative is building camera systems into your processes and then further complicating it by having on-the-fly facial recognition (unless you're going to do it all manually, which is a bad idea for a few reasons, but also would be easier/optimal with the system I suggested anyway).

[gabbie2010]

my advice is to find a way of discouraging any means of automating those tasks to wide off those who wants to circumvent those tasks and your efforts at all cost thus depriving thousand of real and legitimate workers globally means of earning some bucks.

whoa.... can you rephrase that?   I don't understand.  
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Try and block any loophole that will warrant some computer experts that can automate those jobs or task to earn more bitcoin for themselves rather allow real workers to complete those tasks.

[amishmanish]

You would also need to vet the people who get in. How do you plan to do that?

Why do I need to vet people?   Crypto is blind; if a person meets the minimum club requirements they can join the same as anyone else.  I don't care who they are - my platform is build on anonymity.

Maybe "vet" people sounds a bit too martial. I suppose what i mean is that whether you plan to have a way of selecting people that does not leave it open for multi-accounts, alt-accounts? Those people always find a way to crowd out normal users. It maybe a positive to have some way of ensuring that the people who get in aren't looking to exploit but to make it work. That is why i thought a system of "references" akin to real world job applications may be something to think of.

[Vod]

That is why i thought a system of "references" akin to real world job applications may be something to think of.

Automated reference checks can be abused.  I have a method for preventing most multiple accounts.

[Hamphser]

Rates are good for people who do live on third world since you dont need to do hardwork to earn some bucks but one thing that made me hesitate on where you do need to open up your camera just to see that you are
unique and active. Is there any other way to verify someones activeness on not showing off our faces?

[Kakmakr]

Rates are good for people who do live on third world since you dont need to do hardwork to earn some bucks but one thing that made me hesitate on where you do need to open up your camera just to see that you are
unique and active. Is there any other way to verify someones activeness on not showing off our faces?

I think there are multiple ways to solve that problem with challenge–response type tests like Captcha's software that can be implemented. They can make use of several different types in 1 hour session..like, https://www.letsnurture.com/blog/8-widely-used-captcha-examples.html

I know there are some very sophisticated bots out there that can solve some of these Captcha challenges, so you must mix them up to confuse these bots.

Another way to solve this is to send a verification via SMS or email to a user for them to type in, before they will be able to access the next part of the task. The verification should say something like What is 5 + 5 = ??  (The user must figure out the answer and then type that in)  

How does this sound?...... much better than Face recognition software.... right.  

[Vod]

Is there any other way to verify someones activeness on not showing off our faces?

If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them!   None of them so far solve the problem of making sure a unique person is doing the task.

[2double0]

Is there any other way to verify someones activeness on not showing off our faces?

If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them!   None of them so far solve the problem of making sure a unique person is doing the task.

What about the tasks which are made to be done by a single person? How can that task be cheated by more users if it is already assigned to the one who gets chosen by the task provider? If verification is so much necessary 'and if users agree', why not choose a service that does verification processes instantly and does not give any details of the face of that person but prove that the person is genuine?

[Harlot]

Maybe I have not read the part about allowing the sytem/UI accessing our camera and I think this one is really a big concern for me yeah I got interested of earning a few dollars of not it being able to disturb my main activity but the camera to show proof that you are the ones working makes me insecure. I mean people who have experienced work from home due to the pandemic majority of them will say that they never have experienced their company asking for access in their cameras just to show proof that they are working, for them I think it is enough that their employees are delivering the work they are expected to do and it is good to go. If this is a way to avoid some kind of cheating in the system I believe this would be very hard for anyone to agree.

[Vod]

What about the tasks which are made to be done by a single person?

There will be no such tasks.  Three people will be minimum (testing/low value tasks), and it can scale right up to election size tasks.  We have Amazon's word they can handle it.  

Can you name a task that one person can do with 100% accuracy that a properly trained AI cannot?

[VSYNC_]

What about the tasks which are made to be done by a single person?

There will be no such tasks.  Three people will be minimum (testing/low value tasks), and it can scale right up to election size tasks.  We have Amazon's word they can handle it.  

Can you name a task that one person can do with 100% accuracy that a properly trained AI cannot?

That's a good point.  Why aren't you just using AI's for task completion Vod? 

[Vod]

That's a good point.  Why aren't you just using AI's for task completion Vod? 

I am using AI for task completion, where I can.

[Zemomtum]

Bitcoin revolution is all about anonymity, giving out my camera is KYC is disguise and does not provide any form of identity security.

[Vod]

It's getting difficult to keep track of all these threads and PMs.  I'm going to set up a quick forum where we discuss features and not hijack bitcointalk - it's my intention to have annual club elections.  I'll post the link here when ready. 

[VSYNC_]

That's a good point.  Why aren't you just using AI's for task completion Vod? 

I am using AI for task completion, where I can.

It's an interesting concept I can tell, and regarding your comment on the aesthetics thread, that all made sense about the distribution and collection as well (couldn't reply there).

As an early adopter why would I have advantages over others who come along later?  I saw you mention that somewhere and with any large platform in their early stages it's one of the most critical factors imo

[Vod]

Visiting with a friend.   I'm not ignoring you. 

[DarkDays]

I personally wouldn't work for $1/hour, but then again, I reside in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

I think for unskilled workers in the poverty-stricken areas or those in less developed economies might be willing to work for that sort of money.

In some countries, the average monthly salary is around $100. So working 40 hours a week for you with this task could help these guys bring in almost twice the monthly salary—not too bad, particularly when you consider that $1 is listed as the absolute minimum.

You might be able to attract some higher quality candidates if you also specify the upper limit of their earning potential, e.g. $2, $5, $10/hour etc.

[COBRAS]

Visiting with a friend.   I'm not ignoring you.  

I think bast way if you try yourself first, and many peole was seen your face first, because if something hapend clients will search not you, but all invited you users  

You are relay use a ICQ ? ICQ in 2020 is a fraud flag my friend. IQC is aert what in your country landline phone modem internet.