I think I invented a Time Machine?

[onemd]

Accidentally hit my head on the toilet and came up with a flux capacitor, jokes aside, but here is a time machine concept?
You see a double split experiment, where a particle is determined as an wave or an particle depending on the observation of it.

The idea is, Send this light down a tunnel (Bounce it back or forward, or a long of mirrors or w/e that slows light down as much as possible might have to be pretty big),
then into the double slit, of which the screen has an interference pattern.

Now here's the beauty, determine its a particle or wave at the double slit, (wait into experiment done), then look under the box. It should read a 0 or 1 according to what the light ends up being. So in theory, this should send the information back a few seconds?




Or perhaps this:

An beam splitter, of which into the box and into the tunnel. Determine at the end of the experiment, and change the outcome inside the box.




Delayed Quantum Eraser Experiment Tweak Invention:




Mentions of regards to delayed quantum eraser:

The experiment shown in 1999, the delayed quantum eraser paper, that observing with A or B caused it to be in an erased state of state 1, and not observing with A or B caused it to be in state 2.



In the 1 light-year picture figure below example:
A person is looking at the screen in 2020 On Earth, it takes to 2021 for it to reach A/B Destination. The person on Earth would already see it's either state 1 or 2 in 2020 while looking at the screen, as it travels to A/B detectors Accordingly in 2021. (Takes 1 year to reach its destination speed of light)

Another person presses a red button in 2021 on say another planet, turning A/B detectors off, resulting in state 2. Sending, the information 1 year into the past of 2020. The person looking at the screen on Earth would have already seen it in state 1 or state 2.

[BADecker]

Nice thinking. But would it be a time machine, or only a time viewer, sort of?

If you can view time, can you use a more complex device to send signals into the past to actually change the past? If you can, will you have control over what you are doing? Perhaps you can change the past enough, and in just the right way, so that your time machine becomes more practical.

[onemd]

Nice thinking. But would it be a time machine, or only a time viewer, sort of?

If you can view time, can you use a more complex device to send signals into the past to actually change the past? If you can, will you have control over what you are doing? Perhaps you can change the past enough, and in just the right way, so that your time machine becomes more practical.

I suppose it would be a time viewer in a way, the point is, you can theoretically send yourself a message from the future to the past perhaps.
And yes, I believe you can scale it up to shoot more then one particle/wave. Think 1 transistor for the first computer.

1 or 0 is basically 1 bits. Scale it up to 8 bits or so, can send 8 bits into the past.

Or code in messages, like 0 = Do this, 1 = Do that, etc. Or use it for playing a bitcoin gambling site, and win every single bitcoin on the entire site  

[BADecker]

Nice thinking. But would it be a time machine, or only a time viewer, sort of?

If you can view time, can you use a more complex device to send signals into the past to actually change the past? If you can, will you have control over what you are doing? Perhaps you can change the past enough, and in just the right way, so that your time machine becomes more practical.

I suppose it would be a time viewer in a way, the point is, you can theoretically send yourself a message from the future to the past perhaps.
And yes, I believe you can scale it up to shoot more then one particle/wave. Think 1 transistor for the first computer.

1 or 0 is basically 1 bits. Scale it up to 8 bits or so, can send 8 bits into the past.

Or code in messages, like 0 = Do this, 1 = Do that, etc. Or use it for playing a bitcoin gambling site, and win every single bitcoin on the entire site  

Once you have it scaled up to modern computer class rather than only 1 transistor, you should be able to use it to change the past so that you can advance it faster... by receiving messages from yourself in the future regarding advancements. This would multiply as you listened to your future self, so that the whole quantum-entanglement/space-time-continuum is changed.

[akopjpuge]

I think this concept is similar to fiber optic technology uses in internet today.

[Pgilbert]

Well, I like the concept, Really excited to see the outcome, what will you do when you travel back in the past? Get some cheap BTC?
But if you that everything will change, like a butterfly effect and maybe just a little BTC mining can change all the future of cryptocurrencies.

[OgNasty]

Don’t you need a Blue Whale and a spaceship to time travel?

[franky1]

time machine in the unrealistic thought of a physical person or signal going back in time is impossible. even in REAL quantum physics

what is the REAL theory of REAL quantum mechanics is that all photons that bounced off of someone 200 years ago is still present in some small miniscule amount. and with the right instrument that can filter out the other photons(visual noise) and isolate the photons of a certain age. can then reveal a picture of a specific time

..
the whole sci-fi 'spooky' different dimensional crap is not real quantum mechanics but used as a misdirect so that certain groups can actually study the real quantum mechanics and leave the more naive people wasting time/money on things that wont work

[Vod]

the point is, you can theoretically send yourself a message from the future to the past perhaps.

What theory is this?  Time is a measurement of change - how would it go backwards? 

[onemd]

time machine in the unrealistic thought of a physical person or signal going back in time is impossible. even in REAL quantum physics

Look up double slit experiment, and delayed quantum eraser.

If you observe it, collapsing it to an particle state, it was an particle from the detector. They are in super position.
The concept here is to have a bounce tunnel or so, say set it for 5 seconds. The idea here is, collapsing it at the end part to one of the states,
should be that state at the beginning of the experiment.

And thus once you lift the box up, it should read accordingly.

You would of effectively sent that information, 5 seconds into the past.

[Mttewndew]

I suppose it would be a time viewer in a way...

I like the concept of a time viewer even more than the concept of a time traveler. After all, such an approach would allow (if implemented) to safely study historical events, without risking spoiling everything.

[bitcoin-shark]

nice concept, nice reasoning but still I believe that the time machine already exists https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/03/15/hadron-collider-time-machine/

[franky1]

no you are not sending info into the past

imagine the ocean. its both particles of h2o and acts as waves

the particle linkage at both the gamma('spooky instant superfast') and the electron/photon speed(slower in comparison) means when the tide is out at one end the tide is in at the other.
before a particular wave receeding at one side reaches the other side

however although you instantly can tell that if the tide is in at one ocean side means you instantly know the tide is out at the other. normal/old science was ignoring the tide(gamma connection). and instead only observing the waves(photon/electron connection)

its like a tsunami. by ignoring the tide going out just before a tsunami and only reacting to the large wave coming in later. means what you are observing only the large wave at the photon level, which means what you are seeing is the reaction minutes after the action

however the tide going out due to a asteroid/earthquake tugging the water away from your side is not you viewing that an asteroid hit before it hit. it just means you are now observing the action of the event at the very instant it happens
however a neighbour that didnt see the tide going out and only seen the wave coming in. thinks the asteroid strike causing the tsunami happened later because they are only viewing the wave not the particle tugging

it might be spooky to that neighbour, and he may ask why you were running for cover before he ran for cover. and will say you must be psychic and able to see the future. but no
its just you are viewing it from a different prospective to know whats about to come
by observing the action instantly rather than the delayed reaction

..
to imagine it another way
imagine a 2 man and a rope tug of war game across the ocean.
if one man on one side shakes the rope to cause a wave/ripple along the rope. it takes time for the other person to see the ripple but his hands feel the vibrations/tug before the wave reaches

yep pulling on the rope can be felt before seeing the rope shake

by relying on touch means you can predict when you should expect to see the ripple.
thus makes you able to then grab the rope tighter so it dont slip out of your hand before the ripple actually gets to your hand

but it does not mean you can change the history by tugging back(pulling to cause rope tension) to prevent the other guy from shaking
yes your cancelling out the ripple AT YOUR END but you are not stopping the guy from doing it.
your simply making the ropes shake no longer visible at your end by altering the tension at your end

its not time travel into the past
its observing things at gamma speeds to then predict or react to the light speed of the result at your end before the light speed gets to you

in short running away from a tsunami when the tide goes out before seeing the large wave comes in doesnt mean you stopped the asteroid hitting the ocean. it just means you predicted a tsunami was going to happen and you moved accordingly before other naive observers.
raising the flood barriers to offset the tsunami at the tide going out stage does not mean that you stopped the asteroid it just means you cancelled/blocked the tsunami from getting to the destination before it effects the coastline by knowing that the tsunami was going to hit the coast in 5 minutes

your not affecting the source. your interupting the reaction in the middle of its journey by being able to observe the subtle near invisible hints before the major action is observed

its about using different apparatus to view the other normally unmeasured actions to effect the result onroute before the slower observation reacts

so the topic creators theory is flawed by not understanding the gamma, neutrino attraction between particles which react faster then the electron photon speeds

[franky1]

ill try to make it simple

imagine 10 seconds
an electron travels 20,000km in 10 seconds
a photon travels 1.82million km in 10 seconds or the same 20k distance in 0.1 seconds
and the gamma part travelled the same 20km distance in 0.00000001seconds
but old science never bothered measuring photons/gamma. as it was too fast for instruments.

its a bit like police speed camera devices.. if you go over 200mph they cant detect you so you wont get a speeding ticket. your treated as breaking the law but also not breaking the law thus just not even considered worthy of following up on. and just considered as a spooky blur on their camera

so now if you can view the photon(0.1sec) and then react at the photon signal, to intercept the electron at the 5th second mark (kinda easy as you have 0.1 to see photon signal and 0.05 to send something back to the midpoint)
meaning if when you get the photon signal you know in 9.9seconds you will get a electron signal
you send a photon signal back at 4.85 seconds after you got the photon signal.to intercept the electron at the 5th second mark thus interupting/interfering with the electron at the 10th second
thus then able to change what electron signal you might get

its not going back in time. the electron already was released from the source at 0 seconds and is already on its way at the 0.1second photon view of the source. you cant send a photon back to stop the source. all you can do is affect the signal of something delayed based on knowing the delayed thing is on its way and interupting that delayed thing before it gets to its destination

[tsaroz]

Doing a job in 1 hour which usually takes 20 minutes is no time travel. I guess people would sooner or later try your hypothesis and come with clear conclusions.

[onemd]

all you can do is affect the signal of something delayed based on knowing the delayed thing is on its way and interupting that delayed thing before it gets to its destination

It remains in super position, I wasn't sure if required two double slits or one. But it may require figure 2 as shown in the bottom picture of the post.
But the key point is quantum entanglement with both super position pairs via beam splitter.

You sent (A) -> Beam Splitter:

Path 1) Beam splitter -> double slit -> screen -> box display readout, particle = 0, wave = 1.
Path 2) Beam splitter -> A bounce tunnel (For 5 seconds) -> Into an double slit(Particle/Wave) -> Screen.

Change the Double slit (Particle/Wave) on Path 2) into say (Particle) and the box read out should show 0
Change the Double slit (Particle/Wave) on Path 2) into say (Wave) and the box read out should show 1.

By changing this super position entangled pair into one of the collapsing state, it should collapse the other state accordingly.
Thus the readout in the box should occur 5 seconds into the past

You have sent information 5 seconds into the past

Nobel prize?  



:p

[franky1]

nope

if you have a beam and split it
so
0sec    1sec   2sec  3sec  4sec  5sec
     A                                             B
     |                                              |
*-<                                               |
      \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/


the photon at B  is not the 'pair' of the one at A
B's first photon is not A's first photon
when you finally see B's first photon your also looking at A's 15,000,000,000,000,000,000th photon and A's first photon passed 5 seconds ago(its gone.)
the beam is sending out 3quin of photons a second and a simple crystal/mirror is not 'splitting the photon'
if it were that easy then the hadron collector should have been replaced with a crystal loving homeopathy warehouse

whats happening is
if you were to stop the light at B. you would think it takes 5 seconds extra to feedback to A meaning you would notice the change at the 10th second due to the 5second delay mechanism
(affecting the 30quinth A photon)


however if you interupt the B beam at 5 seconds in the gamma range. the gamma signal feeds back and messes with the other beam 0.000,001sec after interupting it (5.000,001sec into experiment) not 0 seconds into experiment and not 10seconds into experiment
and stupid people think that the interuption signal must have gone back intime by 5.001 seconds to reach * at minus 0.001 second and is affecting A's first photon because they think a simple crystal/mirror can split a photon

yes there is a gamma wave still linking A to B but at the 5th second your watching B's first photon and A's 15quintillionth photon instead of the presumed first of 30quintillionth photon
and thus affecting B your then causing a noticable change to A's 15,000,0001trillionth photon

its not proving time travel or photon splitting.
its proving a 'spooky' linkage of the beam at a higher speed than photons were presumed to be linked at

no experiment has actually seen a change in A 5 seconds before even doing anything to B
the experiment has seen A affected 0.000,001 seconds after affecting B instead of 5 seconds later

[onemd]

no experiment has actually seen a change in A 5 seconds before even doing anything to B
the experiment has seen A affected 0.000,001 seconds after affecting B instead of 5 seconds later

In the 1 light-year picture figure below example:
A person is looking at the screen in 2020 On Earth, it takes to 2021 for it to reach A/B Destination. The person on Earth would already see it's either state 1 or 2 in 2020 while looking at the screen, as it travels to A/B detectors Accordingly in 2021. (Takes 1 year to reach its destination speed of light)

Another person presses a red button in 2021 on say another planet, turning A/B detectors off, resulting in state 2. So yes, the information did travel 1 year into the past of 2020. It had to because the person looking at the screen on Earth would have already seen it in state 1 or state 2.

The experiment shown in 1999, the delayed quantum eraser paper, that observing with A or B caused it to be in an erased state of state 1, and not observing with A or B caused it to be in state 2.



One forgets to mention is what if you extend this a light year? You would see already the result on the screen, based on the decision the person is going to make in a year from now on another planet.

So yes, I think my time machine concept may actually work  

[onemd]

Does anyone know where I can find information on the cost for building an delayed quantum eraser setup?

Would also need an key component for this setup a quantum well for trapping photons, this duration could be set to say 5 seconds or so then to release for further continuation. Then encode messages as, erased = 0, and non erased = 1.

Once it hits the A/B accordingly, we can choose to turn them on or off, effectively sending information into the past to my earlier self
in the experiment. Could be an simple "101" with 3 flashes. Have an computer program execute the steps accordingly.

[Vod]

Does anyone know where I can find information on the cost for building an delayed quantum eraser setup?

The Internet. 

Record all the items you need, research who builds them, and contact them.  I don't think there is a corner quantum store yet.