Fauci says the vaccine will only be about 50% effective.

[Jet Cash]

Wow! What a bargain governments are getting for the billions they are spending on vaccine research. Given that a lot of reputable scientists believe that we already have over 60% of the population with immunity, that is a negative result. Will you be one of the people who lose immunity through the vaccine? They don't even talk about the side effects either.. Then there is the massive amount of collateral damage from the lockdowns, the maskerades (sic), the job losses, and all the other problems the bankers have created.

The only good news is that it may have exposed the whole vaccination eugenics programme, and maybe we can leave vaccines alone in the future. That way we can see a reduction in the autistic kids, the allergies, and  :(the cripples that vaccines create.

[BIT-BENDER]

If its not nature given/inspired it's a no, the fear is not the vaccine alone, what of the black market wanting to have a go on this, adulterating and giving fakes in disguise of the vaccine, when the/a vaccine is out.
Realistically I better rely on my immune, the health workers and key workers has been brave, strong and courageous giving health services to those in need many are recovering, the government needs to be more focused in increasing salaries, benefits to this guys at this point, palliatives also.

[BADecker]

If its not nature given/inspired it's a no, the fear is not the vaccine alone, what of the black market wanting to have a go on this, adulterating and giving fakes in disguise of the vaccine, when the/a vaccine is out.
Realistically I better rely on my immune, the health workers and key workers has been brave, strong and courageous giving health services to those in need many are recovering, the government needs to be more focused in increasing salaries, benefits to this guys at this point, palliatives also.

Yabut. If the Black Market hooks up to the Mexican cartels, their ease of operations will improve, and the vaccine might jump to well over 100% efficacy, lol. But seriously, BLM already is the Black Market.

[squatz1]

Curious on where you got the stat regarding Fauci saying that the vaccine will only be 50% effective? I've seen a few reports and interviews of him coming out and saying that Americans should tamper expectations as to the effectiveness of the vaccine, as it may not be as amazing as everyone is saying.

He's someone who is going to err on the side of caution because a lot of people are sitting around just praying that a vaccine will solve everything, when it really wont right off the bat. Even if it is 100% effective, 40% of Americans have said that they (understandably) wont use it immediatetly.

[franky1]

a lot of reputable scientists believe that we already have over 60% of the population with immunity,

BULL crap
reputable scientists take the most infected neighbourhoods and then test those that are willing to be tested and get the 60% figure for that neighbourhood. and 56% for another high contagious area . and then get another of only 13%
and then from area's outside the epicenter states the number is far far far far low
and they say as such

but then idiots take a 60% number and stupidly think it applies to everywhere

in short
if an idiot has had sex with 2 of the 3 of the only women he knows (66% success rate)
does not mean that he has had sex with 66% of all women
just 66% of a small limited group of woman in a small neighbourhood of known high sluttynesss

nor does that figure suggest that all men can have a 66% success rate with women
nor does it suggest that 66% of women are sluts

..
but as always jetcash says a number but cant back it up
im still waiting for jetcash to show the uptodate proof of his suggested 'number 36 on the severity list' that he has mentioned a few times in different topics

[allahabadi]

Wow! What a bargain governments are getting for the billions they are spending on vaccine research. Given that a lot of reputable scientists believe that we already have over 60% of the population with immunity, that is a negative result. Will you be one of the people who lose immunity through the vaccine? They don't even talk about the side effects either.. Then there is the massive amount of collateral damage from the lockdowns, the maskerades (sic), the job losses, and all the other problems the bankers have created.

The only good news is that it may have exposed the whole vaccination eugenics programme, and maybe we can leave vaccines alone in the future. That way we can see a reduction in the autistic kids, the allergies, and  :(the cripples that vaccines create.

Jet Cash please give quotes or sources when making bold claims like 60% have immunity, I think most scientists are still figuring things out and shouldn't be too sure of themselves.

[Poker Player]

No, I'm not going to voluntarily get the vaccine, no matter what the supposed percentage is, it's another thing to be legally forced.

Considering that most doctors don't get the flu vaccine: "Prof Heneghan, who is also an out-of-hours GP, told BBC Scotland there was little good evidence on the benefits of giving the vaccination to healthy individuals in the NHS." I don't think the Covid-19 one is going to be different.

Spanish flu and other pandemics were eradicated due to group immunity and the natural genetic mutation of the virus. I believe the vaccine can do more harm than good, especially because there are economic interests behind it.

[squatz1]

No, I'm not going to voluntarily get the vaccine, no matter what the supposed percentage is, it's another thing to be legally forced.

Considering that most doctors don't get the flu vaccine: "Prof Heneghan, who is also an out-of-hours GP, told BBC Scotland there was little good evidence on the benefits of giving the vaccination to healthy individuals in the NHS." I don't think the Covid-19 one is going to be different.

Spanish flu and other pandemics were eradicated due to group immunity and the natural genetic mutation of the virus. I believe the vaccine can do more harm than good, especially because there are economic interests behind it.

Just for the record here, when I was saying that most people aren't going to get it when it first comes out -- I totally understand and agree with doing that sort of thing.

While yes, the vaccine has had to go through FDA testing to get to us, I don't think anyone would feel too safe as there is not enough large data points to tell us that things are going to be okay. Plus who the hell knows how the vaccine is going to effect you as an individual. So yeah, even if a vaccine is out -- it's going to take a few months for a majority of people to feel comfortable getting it.

[Jet Cash]

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

[btc_love]

I don't trust vaccines. Firstly, they contain toxic substances (formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, etc.), and secondly, I do not trust my health and the health of my family to corporations and large industries, for which only money is important.

[Juggy777]

No, I'm not going to voluntarily get the vaccine, no matter what the supposed percentage is, it's another thing to be legally forced.

Considering that most doctors don't get the flu vaccine: "Prof Heneghan, who is also an out-of-hours GP, told BBC Scotland there was little good evidence on the benefits of giving the vaccination to healthy individuals in the NHS." I don't think the Covid-19 one is going to be different.

Spanish flu and other pandemics were eradicated due to group immunity and the natural genetic mutation of the virus. I believe the vaccine can do more harm than good, especially because there are economic interests behind it.

Just for the record here, when I was saying that most people aren't going to get it when it first comes out -- I totally understand and agree with doing that sort of thing.

While yes, the vaccine has had to go through FDA testing to get to us, I don't think anyone would feel too safe as there is not enough large data points to tell us that things are going to be okay. Plus who the hell knows how the vaccine is going to effect you as an individual. So yeah, even if a vaccine is out -- it's going to take a few months for a majority of people to feel comfortable getting it.

@Poker Player you’re not the only one who’s going to be skipping these vaccines, as even the world number one tennis player has said that he’s not keen to take these vaccines. @squatz1 yea the FDA will definitely be checking these, but this time it’ll be produced and approved within months and that’s the scary part for me, hence I’m definitely skipping these vaccines, and would advise you’ll do the same too unless it’s a medical emergency.

“When we are used to five-year time frames, to see something go into human testing on March 17 is really a remarkable thing,” he told CNBC. “Does this guarantee success? Not necessarily. Vaccine development is characterised by a high failure rate – often 93% between animal studies and registration of a product.”

The discovery and research phase is normally two-to-five years, according to the Wellcome Trust. In total, a vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop and costs up to $500 million, the UK charity says.

Sources:

https://www.insider.com/novak-djokovic-says-hes-anti-vaccines-wont-get-coronavirus-vaccine-2020-4

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/vaccine-development-barriers-coronavirus/

[allahabadi]

I don't trust governments, but I trust vaccines... Having intimate knowledge of the subject really helps you tone down all the background noise... Vaccines help.

[mindrust]

Flu vaccines are 50% effective too. No big deal.

I trust vaccines, I don't trust people and I surely don't really trust Fauci.

I am kinda neutral about this vaccine. I'll probably skip it. I'll let other people try it first. :d cuz I'm such a gentleman.

[Renampun]

the corona vaccine is the most eagerly awaited around the world today...
I'm not sure with the vaccine they admit. Since last March many countries have said they have invented vaccines and such but there is no evidence until now. 50% effective is not a good chance, I'm afraid in the future if the corona vaccine that they admit has been found to spread it will affect our genetics.

[franky1]

From personal observation, I reckon that 80% of the UK has immunity. and one of the papers this morning puts it as high as 90% ( outside care homes ). It's hard to find sensible information, as the money Pharmers seem to suppress and distort everything. There is also considerable blocking of content as a result of legal threats. Just try to find information about the $500 million compensation fund that PayPal had to set up because it was misusing clients funds. That was all over the net for a week or two, and then it vanished, just as PayPal relocated outside the US.

BULLCRAP
no paper is estimating 90%
all studies of actual antibody tests (not myth stories) are saying estimates of 2%-10% in the UK depending on hotspot area

even general math case numbers even if you multiply it by 10 per 'case confirmed' still does not have an above 10% math figure
heck even if you say for every 1 person sick there are 99 infected and not sick is still no were near 90%

if there is 310k confirmed cases and we say only 10% of people infected get tested. then thats 3.1mill infected with a 90% assymptomatic/untested rate of the 310k

3m out of 65m is only 5%
still much better then the case test amount of 310k which is 0.5% infected
but assuming 59mill(90%) people have had it is pure myth with no foundation or even any ethical math to back it up

[franky1]

as for the topic.
it seems jetcash translates
'FDA wont even consider a vaccine as worthy if its under 50% effective'
to be
'FDA is releasing a vaccine thats only 50% effective'

sorry but no
there are many vaccines in progress and they are not just gonna buy the one that only reaches the minimum and stick with that one. they have yet to even know how effective any vaccine is but wont even consider any below 50% and so when vaccines are released they will pick the best one

they say "our first one wont be our best and we are aiming for above 75% effectiveness"
but in short any that result in say 49% wont even be considered for further funding to refine it and work out the 'glitches' to get it to a higher number

this is why medical experts are saying 12-18 months because they have to go through a few rounds of testing and tweaking and refining and retesting.

yea trump might want to get doctors to use one thats only 51% effective in 6 months. but thats trump.
over promise/under deliver. remember trump has yet to 'build the wall'.. its been years since that 'promise'

[BADecker]

as for the topic.
it seems jetcash translates
'FDA wont even consider a vaccine as worthy if its under 50% effective'
to be
'FDA is releasing a vaccine thats only 50% effective'

sorry but no
there are many vaccines in progress and they are not just gonna buy the one that only reaches the minimum and stick with that one. they have yet to even know how effective any vaccine is but wont even consider any below 50% and so when vaccines are released they will pick the best one

they say "our first one wont be our best and we are aiming for above 75% effectiveness"
but in short any that result in say 49% wont even be considered for further funding to refine it and work out the 'glitches' to get it to a higher number

this is why medical experts are saying 12-18 months because they have to go through a few rounds of testing and tweaking and refining and retesting.

yea trump might want to get doctors to use one thats only 51% effective in 6 months. but thats trump.
over promise/under deliver. remember trump has yet to 'build the wall'.. its been years since that 'promise'

The funny part is that F-1 doesn't even know how to identify what is important. Watch this 19-minute video to see the vaccine logic - https://www.bitchute.com/video/OsRxtyDTGPVt/. Then go here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/ - and check out all the videos that talk the REAL logic of vaccines. Some of these videos are long, but many of them are short snippets of sections of the longer ones.

[franky1]

funny how bigtree' never mentions the health of those that get sick but keeps promoting the need for spreading the virus 'to get the economy back'

when someone cares more about money than health. more about greed and selfish desire that the health of the community. and someone that promotes darwins survival of the fittest(eugenics) .. you gotta wonder why they are even pretending to say that their actions are for peoples benefits

seems more like the taxmans benefit

[BADecker]

^^^ Seems that, that is what the medical community does... cares more about money. The point is, the more the PCR test is used in a community, the greater the percent of Covid will be, even if nobody is sick.


Bulgarian Pathology Association Says COVID-19 PCR Tests Are Scientifically Meaningless

But looking closely at the facts, the conclusion is that these PCR tests are meaningless as a diagnostic tool to determine an alleged infection by a supposedly new virus called SARS-CoV-2.

UNFOUNDED "TEST, TEST, TEST,…" MANTRA
At the media briefing on COVID-19 on March 16, 2020, the WHO Director General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said:

We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test."

The message was spread through headlines around the world, for instance by Reuters and the BBC.

Still on the 3 of May, the moderator of the heute journal — one of the most important news magazines on German television— was passing the mantra of the corona dogma on to his audience with the admonishing words:

Test, test, test—that is the credo at the moment, and it is the only way to really understand how much the coronavirus is spreading."

This indicates that the belief in the validity of the PCR tests is so strong that it equals a religion that tolerates virtually no contradiction.

But it is well known that religions are about faith and not about scientific facts. And as Walter Lippmann, the two-time Pulitzer Prize winner and perhaps the most influential journalist of the 20th century said: "Where all think alike, no one thinks very much."

...

The reason is that the intended use of the PCR was, and still is, to apply it as a manufacturing technique, being able to replicate DNA sequences millions and billions of times, and not as a diagnostic tool to detect viruses.

[franky1]

and the foolish thing badecker keeps forgetting. because he has been told this many times

that the confirmation of covid is not by pure PCR
its actually if you simplify it down a 3 step process and PCR is the middle part

when saying PCR alone wont confirm covid. that is true. because it needs steps before PCR and steps after PCR to be the full confirming test parameters

once badecker remembers that he has been told that its the chemicals to isolate the virus(1) the PCR to replicate them(2) the chemicals to test for them(3)

that stage 2 alone wont work as it doesnt know what its replicating and doesnt then verify its replicated what it should have

stage 1 and 3 do that
and thats the stupid thing badecker and his fellow clowns keep avoiding. the fact that a covid test is much more than just (2)pcr

there is actually more risk of fault/error at stages 1 and 3 than at stage 2. and if badecker realised the stages involved he would understand how important it is to get stages 1 and 3 right because 1 and 3 are the important parts..

its like making a cake the important parts are the ingrediants and the icing afterwards
you can make a cake in many different ovens or even microwaves but if the ingredients are not right it wont make a cake. and if the icing after aint right it wont look like a cake

badecker this and is trying to suggest that a specific oven is the main ingrediant sorry. but no and if a oven is branded as roaast dinner oven then is should never be used to bake a cake

not relaising the secret to baking a cake is in the ingrediants and the icing..

the other part of the "scientifically meaningless" is that having covid or not is real. but the test has no context of informing if that person being tested is severly symptomatic or just a cough or assymptomatic. thus the test alone doesnt help scientists work out the severity of sickness
so the test combined with data of another source of things like hospitalisation rates is more helpful as combined info

yes more tests = more people having it. but when combining it with hospitalisation data.
(take UK stats of ~800 a day test positive and 150 hospitalised = 18% severity of those tested)
thus the data of covid tests becomes more meaningful when used in combination with other data