If you present the truth are you a shit stirring noob? Some DT1 says yes?

[Laudanum]

I read this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264620.msg54870534#msg54870534
I bring a sensible question based on confirmed and established facts to meta.
A DT1 member is caught lying about requesting other members they have previously paid to influence flagging in a way they desire to support their sponsor.
That same DT1 member is also caught adding them to his trust inclusions if they support his flagging preferences for his sponsor.
Now another DT1 new member suchmoon ( who says lfcbitcoin lied or misrepresented their conversation)  has given me a negative trust comment  saying that means I am a shit stirring noob.
Is this how bitcointalk operates now and are these the kind of DT1 noob members  you have to police and protect honest members.
How can presenting the truth be grounds for a negative trust comment.
Why are DT1 members all sponsored by mixing and gambling sig trash.
Where are the elder financially independent members that are not needing to shill for this trash.
This is a clear conflict of interest.
Surely there are some elder members remaining with some skin in this game.
I would not trust any DT needing to whore their sig out.
Does cobra still own this forum ? What happens to it? This trust system is the design of scammer or charlatan.
I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.
Thanks my dear friends I can't wait to work along with you all to restore some modicum of sanity to this once great board.

[suchmoon]

It's not a negative, you dingleberry. It's a neutral. If you consider shit-stirring a positive character trait then there is no reason to be concerned. If you don't then perhaps you should stop creating new accounts to stir shit. Post from your 2012 account, sign a message with 100 BTC, enjoy the limelight.

[Vod]

I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.

"Noob" DT police.. love it!

[marlboroza]

Now another DT1 new member suchmoon [...] has given me a [...] trust comment  saying that means I am a shit stirring noob.

It's becoming boring to watch all these fake shit stirring noob accounts coming out of nowhere knowing everything posting in serious topics just to add more fuel to fire, post from your real account and no one will call you fake shit stirring noob.

I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.

"Noob" DT police.. love it!

According to the pharmacist, DT has to be someone who has account since 2012-2014. Vod, I am sorry but I have to tell you, you are 2011. noob DT police member.

[nutildah]

You should have just named your new account presenting_the_truth, because its what you do best, according to you, anyway.

Please do not speculate on my motives for blindly lashing out presenting the truth.

You can be given red tags for presenting the truth?

She claims you must be banned for presenting the truth about her friends scamming.

Yeah we will just stop presenting the truth and change it around because it got boring for you all to listen to what a bunch of scamming untrustworthy scoundrels you are and how you are gaming this board for your own ends.

NO.

There are 31 instances of the use of "presenting the truth" on the forum, and your various accounts wrote 26 of them, lol. Are you sure you're going to "restore some modicum of sanity"? That isn't exactly your forte.

[Laudanum]

It's not a negative, you dingleberry. It's a neutral. If you consider shit-stirring a positive character trait then there is no reason to be concerned. If you don't then perhaps you should stop creating new accounts to stir shit. Post from your 2012 account, sign a message with 100 BTC, enjoy the limelight.

I seek clarity on why asking for explanation or discussion of confirmed facts that impact on the safety members  is shit stirring?
I want to know why you feel the need to punish members for discussing very important and pertinent facts which could lead to honest members being scammed.
You I note have stated lfcbitcoin deliberately attempted to misrepresent your discussion to a point you even have stated you felt the need to exclude him. Are you a shit starter or were you lying? Why object to my thread asking for deep investigation by admins and meta members and their opinions ?
This type of member is not suitable for DT1. After looking there due to a relationship from the betting site I use I will expect they must now remove this shill lcfbitcoin due to being a confirmed liar and also giving trust inclusion for favorable flagging support.
This is not an honest member.  Asking for action from cobra and theymos to investigate is not shit stirring.
Is scammer hunting shit stirring?  Who cares if I'm a noob or elder member if we discuss what any person can see themselves.
Your choice of words is clearly meant as a punishment for highlighting the truth and ask for some action here. This should be looked at. I will hear what cobra and theymos say after deeper investigation.
100btc is laughable most elder members who are only suitable for DT1 would have many more. That 100 batch can be kept as reserve  to ensure they are always without pressure to give in to temptation or pressure to be dishonest. Why do you need over 100 Dt1 this is madness removes sensible accountability and now any noob with no btc and only been here a few months with no trading history or any value to the account can be DT1. Crazy.

Why marlboroza saying i will be the pharmacist? I am not the pharmacist or if you mean taking drugs then nope.

[suchmoon]

I seek clarity on why asking for explanation or discussion of confirmed facts that impact on the safety members  is shit stirring?

Because it's shit and you're stirring it.

I want to know why you feel the need to punish members for discussing very important and pertinent facts which could lead to honest members being scammed.

Neutral label on your shitnoob account is not punishment.

You I note have stated lfcbitcoin deliberately attempted to misrepresent your discussion to a point you even have stated you felt the need to exclude him. Are you a shit starter or were you lying? Why object to my thread asking for deep investigation by admins and meta members and their opinions ?

There is nothing for admins to investigate or for trolls to post pages of shit about. There is no positive outcome from any of these garbage threads you're starting with your new accounts. Good luck getting your 10 voting merits.

This type of member is not suitable for DT1. After looking there due to a relationship from the betting site I use I will expect they must now remove this shill lcfbitcoin due to being a confirmed liar and also giving trust inclusion for favorable flagging support.
This is not an honest member.  Asking for action from cobra and theymos to investigate is not shit stirring.

There's a tilde for that.

Is scammer hunting shit stirring?  Who cares if I'm a noob or elder member if we discuss what any person can see themselves.
Your choice of words is clearly meant as a punishment for highlighting the truth and ask for some action here. This should be looked at. I will hear what cobra and theymos say after deeper investigation.

I don't think you will. You've already been told by theymos that he's not interested in your nonsense. And cobra probably doesn't know or care about your existence either.

That's your food for today. Make it last.

[Hhampuz]

I have nothing to add to this topic, I just wanted to say that I didn't think you could get any worse at picking names for your alts.. At this point you might as well just stick to one name and end them with different numbers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[The Sceptical Chymist]

"Noob" DT police.. love it!

This guy is not a noob, and I'd bet the house on it if I owned a house.  

Suchmoon is right about the shit-stirring part, however.  If for some reason OP is not an alt account of cryptohunter, I would suggest he read Meta and Reputation from about December 2018 on, which is when I started this thread as a plea for help from my fellow members during the time when the level of trolling in those sections was rampant.  I would also suggest that OP pay attention to the fact that jack shit was done about any of the complaints and Theymos remained silent throughout (for the most part).  

In other words, just stop this nonsense right now; it's not going to get you anywhere.

I just wanted to say that I didn't think you could get any worse at picking names for your alts..

Seriously.  It also makes me wonder where Lauda has gone off to.  TMAN as well.

[Laudanum]

I seek clarity on why asking for explanation or discussion of confirmed facts that impact on the safety members  is shit stirring?

Because it's shit and you're stirring it.

I want to know why you feel the need to punish members for discussing very important and pertinent facts which could lead to honest members being scammed.

Neutral label on your shitnoob account is not punishment.

You I note have stated lfcbitcoin deliberately attempted to misrepresent your discussion to a point you even have stated you felt the need to exclude him. Are you a shit starter or were you lying? Why object to my thread asking for deep investigation by admins and meta members and their opinions ?

There is nothing for admins to investigate or for trolls to post pages of shit about. There is no positive outcome from any of these garbage threads you're starting with your new accounts. Good luck getting your 10 voting merits.

This type of member is not suitable for DT1. After looking there due to a relationship from the betting site I use I will expect they must now remove this shill lcfbitcoin due to being a confirmed liar and also giving trust inclusion for favorable flagging support.
This is not an honest member.  Asking for action from cobra and theymos to investigate is not shit stirring.

There's a tilde for that.

Is scammer hunting shit stirring?  Who cares if I'm a noob or elder member if we discuss what any person can see themselves.
Your choice of words is clearly meant as a punishment for highlighting the truth and ask for some action here. This should be looked at. I will hear what cobra and theymos say after deeper investigation.

I don't think you will. You've already been told by theymos that he's not interested in your nonsense. And cobra probably doesn't know or care about your existence either.

That's your food for today. Make it last.

Touchy touchy.

It seems suchmoon does not want to accept that indisputable evidence of lying by a DT1 is not shit.
Also why are you trying to avoid explaining this post?

Why would I trust people who distrust me for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right?

Since this kinda sorta involves me, I think it's perfectly fine to untrust or distrust or whatever, considering that our judgement is so fundamentally different in this case. I just want to make one thing clear: I didn't distrust you "for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right". I distrusted you and blocked your PMs for your attack on BitcoinGirl.Club and for seriously misrepresenting our communication. I can accept differences in opinions. I can't accept shit like the aforementioned.

Is that shit too? Can you explain?
We mustn't worry about peoples opinions of us personally. The greater good of the forum is what is important.
So you deny lfcbitcoin was telling lies? Contrary to the proof presented? I see, it's just shit.  
Like you deny you are Croatian?

Come on suchmoon enough speculation I only deal with Independently verifiable truths. . I don't want your imbecile mind to crack and you get all "caustic" and start "self debunking" almost instantly.

We've been getting on great recently didnt you know? Perhaps you didnt.

[suchmoon]

I can't accept shit like the aforementioned.

Is that shit too? Can you explain?

Try reading before posting maybe. I literally said in the post you quoted that it's shit. It was fixed with a tilde and no stirring by noobs is required. So thank you for your service but nobody needs it except your little farm. Well, a rather large farm by now, what is it - 10th account or thereabouts?

Crap, forgot to put the moran on ignore.

[Laudanum]

I can't accept shit like the aforementioned.

Is that shit too? Can you explain?

Try reading before posting maybe. I literally said in the post you quoted that it's shit. It was fixed with a tilde and no stirring by noobs is required. So thank you for your service but nobody needs it except your little farm. Well, a rather large farm by now, what is it - 10th account or thereabouts?

Crap, forgot to put the moran on ignore.

Ah, same old suchmoron.
Refuses to explain and then runs away and hides when you start to hammer out the details of it's claims.
Not one for details or getting specific suchmoon. Had to learn the hard way though.

[Foxpup]

Where are the elder financially independent members that are not needing to shill for this trash.
This is a clear conflict of interest.
Surely there are some elder members remaining with some skin in this game.

There used to be, but we all collectively decided that we'd had enough of this drama and retired into our respective holes. In fact, I'm only coming out of mine to see if this is an exciting new drama or just the same tired old shit again (I'm leaning toward the latter).

[Laudanum]

Where are the elder financially independent members that are not needing to shill for this trash.
This is a clear conflict of interest.
Surely there are some elder members remaining with some skin in this game.

There used to be, but we all collectively decided that we'd had enough of this drama and retired into our respective holes. In fact, I'm only coming out of mine to see if this is an exciting new drama or just the same tired old shit again (I'm leaning toward the latter).

If new indisputable evidence of DT1 lying and manipulating the trust system to encourage collusion and support their sponsor they shill.for is the same old shit then you are leaning in the correct direction.
Your opinion will be vital since by your own insistence your opinions are not based on reason.
The only saving grace is that you are not spamming some gambling sig all over the board.

[Lafu]

We missed you cryptohunter, not really!
I was expecting more from you and something New or anything New that you would complaining.
But again with DT and same bla bla things, it's getting boring CH.

And another Alt Account from you goes straight on the ignore list.

[marlboroza]

Why marlboroza saying i will be the pharmacist? I am not the pharmacist or if you mean taking drugs then nope.

Probably because of your nick, Laudanum is a medicine which was popular in 19th century but as it cause more harm than good it is somehow restricted^[1].

May I ask you what exactly do you want to accomplish with this topic?
[1]Oh, the irony...

[Laudanum]

Why marlboroza saying i will be the pharmacist? I am not the pharmacist or if you mean taking drugs then nope.

Probably because of your nick, Laudanum is a medicine which was popular in 19th century but as it cause more harm than good it is somehow restricted^[1].

May I ask you what exactly do you want to accomplish with this topic?
[1]Oh, the irony...

Okay I understand now the pharmacist remark. Misunderstanding

I hope to achieve the answer to the question.

If you ask a question that is entirely grounded in indisputable truth that any member can verify then should you be punished via the trust system as a shit stirring noob ?

I mean surly a DT1 telling lies about requesting his friends (who he says he has given money to) to reject flags for his sponsor is not appropriate to remain on DT1. The fact he for a long period has been friends with and there is documented evidence of him colluding with other documented liars and scammers on DT1.
It appears DT1 will attack any person that whistle blows or mentions other DT1 proven dishonest and dangerous behaviors.
This is clearly a flaw in the trust system that needs to be fixed.
There needs to be measures in place where members can not be punished for presenting truths that are independently  verifiable.  
That is where theymos needs to act ..
When since does a trust system serve scammers and liars to punish whistleblowers?

[OgNasty]

I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.

It is sad that DT has been infiltrated by a group of window lickers who do everything they can to hurt anyone who refuses to go along with their agenda. It has completely destroyed the DT system and damaged the credibility of this site. With no sign of theymos stepping in to actually combat the issue, I fear this site will continue it’s spiral into irrelevance.

[Hhampuz]

I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.

It is sad that DT has been infiltrated by a group of window lickers who do everything they can to hurt anyone who refuses to go along with their agenda. It has completely destroyed the DT system and damaged the credibility of this site. With no sign of theymos stepping in to actually combat the issue, I fear this site will continue it’s spiral into irrelevance.

Why is it that every time you speak out about a group of people in DT you make claims like "they do everything they can to hurt anyone who refuses to go along with their agenda" when this is literally what you yourself do? I have, and have posted, screenshots of you telling me that unless I stop being friends with the likes of TMAN & Lauda you would send messages to my Signature Campaign clients and try to get me fired? As a matter of fact you even did message one of them.. Quite interesting. But hey how about you insult me now and disregard what I just said, deflect > attack > win

[OgNasty]

I see OGnasty is now one of the bad guys according to noob DT police.

It is sad that DT has been infiltrated by a group of window lickers who do everything they can to hurt anyone who refuses to go along with their agenda. It has completely destroyed the DT system and damaged the credibility of this site. With no sign of theymos stepping in to actually combat the issue, I fear this site will continue it’s spiral into irrelevance.

Why is it that every time you speak out about a group of people in DT you make claims like "they do everything they can to hurt anyone who refuses to go along with their agenda" when this is literally what you yourself do? I have, and have posted, screenshots of you telling me that unless I stop being friends with the likes of TMAN & Lauda you would send messages to my Signature Campaign clients and try to get me fired? As a matter of fact you even did message one of them.. Quite interesting. But hey how about you insult me now and disregard what I just said, deflect > attack > win

The truth is my only agenda, and yes you and I have had run ins because you are a liar. I get you are the main beneficiary of this DT circlejerk and spamfest that theymos is for some reason letting outweigh any actual contributions to Bitcoin, but it’s only a matter of time before either this community starts acting right or becomes so irrelevant that nobody is left. You think paying spammers makes you a positive member here...

Don’t let me stop you from making more false claims about me. I have been donating funds to this community and several others for nearly a decade, protected tens of millions of dollars for users here, and sell precious metals for below spot price on occasion. Clearly I’m the one we should be hating on as not being a contributing member of good here. This is why DT is a joke.