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August 25, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
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So you can't pay your debt let us handle some part of your country.

As a country that cannot pay a large amount all the things they need are to allow them.

As far as I know, we have a comment about this on the government.

It goes like our country will never fall to this trick by China. As far as I know, that is a financial officer and that means they knew about it and they have a way to go against it. I don't think that our government is that stupid to make a loan without thinking about the consequences of it, they even made a statement about it means they are ready for it.

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August 26, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
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the matter of borrowing and borrowing from one country to another often occurs and it is not a strange thing, there could even be reciprocity that occurs from such borrowing, such as providing exploitation of some existing natural resources because it is also technologically not controlled and given to them. but this is a common thing and is commonplace in countries that are indeed in debt. because the reciprocal of borrowing debt is to provide controlled assets. because that may be the best way that can be done, but by freely controlling the land and its contents, it is certainly not justified that we must respect the sovereignty of the state that has assets.

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August 26, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
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So you can't pay your debt let us handle some part of your country.

As a country that cannot pay a large amount all the things they need are to allow them.

As far as I know, we have a comment about this on the government.

It goes like our country will never fall to this trick by China. As far as I know, that is a financial officer and that means they knew about it and they have a way to go against it. I don't think that our government is that stupid to make a loan without thinking about the consequences of it, they even made a statement about it means they are ready for it.

Edit : https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/11/19/ph-will-never-fall-into-china-debt-trap-says-finance-officials
Our debts are well diversified and China will never invade our country because our people are awake and the government can’t afford to have another EDSA Revolution. This topic spread in the whole country and kudos to those who acted fast and force those businesses to their closure. We have to stand for our own territory just like many countries in Asia protecting their own nation against the invader and greedy country.

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August 26, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
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Even though I am not a citizen of the Philippines, I am very much against what the company of China has done.
In fact, it is only natural for a country with a good economy like China to lend money to other countries that need it.
But the problem is when the countries that are given loans have difficulty paying and China has the power to control
some of them territory of the country. I am sure the Philippine government will do everything it can to protect its
country from the money traps that have been made by China.

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August 26, 2020, 05:20:29 PM
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This is where it starts and soon, we will see more products from China that labels the Philippines as a Province of China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
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August 26, 2020, 05:36:43 PM
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The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.

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August 26, 2020, 06:11:49 PM
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The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.

Not buying thier products is not possible. All products in the world are made in China even the phones and computers you are using today are made in China.

I wouldn't be upset if what they claim is not true though. Its not china that claimed Philippines as their province but just the companies owned by FIlipinos too. History says that China had been owning places in the Philippines long before the Spanish came here but they didn't resist when Spain colonized Philipines.

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August 26, 2020, 06:33:29 PM
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The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
They should know where they are and belong, we can't deny that many businesses are owned by Chinese that makes them think this way but it's not enough to let them publish things just because they want or own what is not from them. The locals should avoid using the products they produce, locals better support the locals first before the other nation to not be treated this way. Fipinos should learn from this issue to strive harder in life to be the owner of a company or not a forever worker of other nation.

Not buying thier products is not possible. All products in the world are made in China even the phones and computers you are using today are made in China.

I wouldn't be upset if what they claim is not true though. Its not china that claimed Philippines as their province but just the companies owned by Filipinos too. History says that China had been owning places in the Philippines long before the Spanish came here but they didn't resist when Spain colonized Philipines.

Yeah all of their products are already on the whole world, and even hardware that is commonly used came from them. China has a lot and good manufacturers in the electronics industry so I doubt that we can avoid their products, even west countries are buying some hardware from China.

Chinese people are very brilliant, they are good at innovating and remodelling things to make another one that can be a trend in the market. According to WIPO, they have a lot of patents recently because of their innovations so definitely all of the markets existing in the world have Chinese products.
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August 26, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
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I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not. Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
Our government is being attacked as well by the opposite party. Since the new administration started, there were too many diversed attacks through media just to make the current admin as bad. Welp, they don't have to do it now as we're seeing it in our eyes that we can't do anything against China. But this labelling of the product could also be another diverse attack.

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August 26, 2020, 11:55:08 PM
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I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not.

I'm pro government also but I'm not against with those debt came from china as long as we can pay those debts there's nothing to worry about the debt trap. And those trappings will happen if corrupt officials will sit on the position since for sure they will not care about paying the debts and they will care to fill there own pockets.


Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

It's true and that's sad reality, Its a fault of the past administration that they didn't even look to improve the machinery for national defense and the only thing we can do for now is to settle all things and became friendly to other nation especially to china. Hopefully on next election we can elect a strong leader that will focus on this issue and improve our defense and in economic aspects.

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August 27, 2020, 01:15:51 AM
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Days before the Presidential Spokesperson share the president's thoughts about this incident, I predicted already what they will say and it is true Cheesy.
"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (Warning not english).

We mustn't get any attention to these kind of shitty things being done by the Chinese to us. We know already that we aren't a province of China. They can get other countries like Hongkong and even Taiwan but not PH.

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"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (Warning not english).
What can we expect? The current administration are friend of china.
Its not surprising to see them ignoring or not making it a big deal.
Even our own islands are invading by chinese, it seems fine to them.
Different from what the president said when he is still running for that position.

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"To me that’s nonsense. We should not be paying any attention to that" this is what he said: =https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/20/ph-a-province-of-china-nonsense-says-roque/LINK (Warning not english).
What can we expect? The current administration are friend of china.
Its not surprising to see them ignoring or not making it a big deal.
Even our own islands are invading by chinese, it seems fine to them.
Different from what the president said when he is still running for that position.

China is trying to invade everyone around its borders, it have already acquired Tibet and was going towards India in the past month but that conflict is still going on and there is still no result of that conflict. Nepal is now supporting China in its actions on India and it even passed a conflicted map that was acquiring the area of the Indian territory in the Nepal region. So, this has been the policy of china from a very long time to acquire the neighbouring lands and always having border conflicts here and there, they don't even want Hong Kong to become a separate country for which its youth is protesting from a very long period of time.

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August 27, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
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I'm worried about the China debt trap. I'm always a pro-government as I have nothing to do with it but support whoever is in the administration. But this starts to give worry for most people just like me whether I support them or not. Our country can't do anything on it as it's been said by the president that we can't go on war against China.

The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.
Our government is being attacked as well by the opposite party. Since the new administration started, there were too many diversed attacks through media just to make the current admin as bad. Welp, they don't have to do it now as we're seeing it in our eyes that we can't do anything against China. But this labelling of the product could also be another diverse attack.
Well, it happens every time if there's a thing that must be call out because of incompetency, then they should face those attacks. Also, normal citizens are also hoping for the government to be competent in situations such as pandemic because many are not in favor of the current administration's decision for the country.

The idea is good but it is not that easy since the current leader is trying to make friends with China.
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August 28, 2020, 03:47:56 PM
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In my opinion, china will always be a bully in many ways, always wants to own everything they like and interested with like islands, natural resources even country they want to conquer special mention to Philippines. They always act they are above all, that's why they are very confident to  do this stuff within the terrority of Philippines. This issue was already solved and the business store was already closed down by the manila mayor and that's the good news for it.

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August 28, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
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The Philippine government should pass a law to immediately deport Chinese who will do that, they should also require Chinese that will enter the Philippines to take a quiz so they will know that Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated a province of any country.

I honestly doubt the government can do that, we are so buried in debt and they don't want a heated argument with China. Have you notice that Chinese people here are sometimes more privilege than the local ones. Even the case of Pogo's continuing despite the pandemic. Its very visible that the government are now friendly with China cause they already talked about this. They can't show their fangs today even though they promise it during elections. We should always voice out our opinion about this dispute, cause if we citizens stop voicing out, I'm sure owning the country will be very easy.

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August 29, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
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I already saw this happening from miles away. The president of the Philippines has long been associating itself closely with China, and has even asked for lots of loans to fund for their infrastructure and development project. While the project in itself isn't an issue, the debt and whom it came from is. The Chinese has long been notorious in setting up debt traps on developing nations to gain quite a sizable share of the natural resources of a country, or even some part of the nation's land in order to use it for their own gain. This can be considered as conquering other countries through means of non-violent actions, in this case debt traps. I will not be surprised if the Philippines will be under the said situation in a few years time given that the current president isn't really doing anything right in regards to this matter.

Heck, you still have lots of corruption scandals in recent times in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
While I agree at the same time this was to be expected, this is why I personally avoid debt as much as possible because whoever you owe owns you, after all it is obvious that the Chinese government is going to set up very favorable conditions in order to give those loans, they are not going to give money to anyone unless they win in whichever case it comes to happen, if they are repaid the loan then they're happy because they earned some money but if they are not repaid the loan then those countries will have to suffer the penalties imposed by China and the worst part is that all of that will be legal because they signed that contract specifying the conditions of what will happen if they default the loan.
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August 29, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
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I'm pro government also but I'm not against with those debt came from china as long as we can pay those debts there's nothing to worry about the debt trap. And those trappings will happen if corrupt officials will sit on the position since for sure they will not care about paying the debts and they will care to fill there own pockets.
The other countries which loaned money from China got into debt trap meaning, they have to give favor to China by building infrastructures and letting them own a portion of their land or if not owned, allowing them to operate based from the likes of their rule. Those debts will be entirely paid for a long time through the next generations.


It's true and that's sad reality, Its a fault of the past administration that they didn't even look to improve the machinery for national defense and the only thing we can do for now is to settle all things and became friendly to other nation especially to china. Hopefully on next election we can elect a strong leader that will focus on this issue and improve our defense and in economic aspects.
I don't want to play the blame game. I'm not red or yellow and like the both us, we do support whichever is on the sit because we can't do anything against it but just to support the good things that they do. There are also arguments that we can be against with but we will never be heard from that. I'm also leaning for the next election but I'm not blind with the accomplishments of the administration and its past administrations.

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August 30, 2020, 08:16:54 AM
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I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.
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August 30, 2020, 01:17:24 PM
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I think it might be a typo, because according to the label, the product is indeed made in China, and is manufactured for Elegant Fumes Beauty Products Inc. located in Manila. I don't deny the money trap. but if the context is the product label, there may be a need for an explanation from the company.

It looks like an unintentional typo. But at the same time, for products which are meant to be exported outside China, they should be more careful about the labeling. They can give excuses such as lack of English knowledge of the staff, but this is not going to go well in the Philippines. Just a few months back, both the nations had a small skirmish in the South China sea.
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