Plagiarism- reporting after ban & should all posts be purged.

[DaveF]

I have been reporting plagiarism when I find it, but as a rule I don't go looking for it.
The other day I found a user with a bunch of bad posts and reported them and put it in main report plagiarism thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55026599#msg55026599

Sometime after that I found another post by them that was also plagiarized from elsewhere.

post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268710
archive: http://archive.is/WD2ME

Although they had the youtube link at the bottom it was word scrambled from elsewhere.
It is still sitting in my reported posts as unhanded.

Anyway, I took a look at some of their other posts and:

This: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5265039
archive: http://archive.is/fGUAo
is a copy of this: https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/328

If you look there are some others too.

So the question is, should there be a point when they have had "X" posts that were plagiarized or "X" percentage of their posts were plagiarized that they really do get nuked and all their posts removed.
I am just using this person as an example since I saw it. There have been others where they have many posts that were copy / paste and yet although banned their posts stayed.

I think after a certain point they should all go. How does anyone else feel.

-Dave

*also full disclosure I don't think your 1st offense should be perma-ban; a 30 day forum ban and 1 year sig ban is fine. Next one you're gone.

[jackg]

I thought first offence wasn't permaban also.
it'd be very hard to work out if you were the original user of the account for some or not so I think the stance from the glob mods was don't report posts of banned users (but it mightve changed).

I'd have to side with that option just in case any of the other posts were helpful with understanding a thread for example.

[Lucius]

Except in the case of new users and plagiarism, I don't think it's common for plagiarized posts to be deleted because some users later complain that they don't know why they were banned, and then they can be presented with quite convincing evidence.

As for unhandled reports, I also have some 1 week old (not related to plagiarism), and I think it's the result of the current lack of moderators (at least it seems to me that most are on vacation).

And as for the punishment, I think the administration has given up on that path - some got a second chance, others didn’t and that’s where it all stopped. After a big clean-up of the forum and thousands of banned, I think that now (except in exceptional cases) no one is considering requests to remove perma- ban's for plagiarism.

[Stalker22]

I thought that newbie users are immediately nuked for plagiarism and not perma-banned... Obviously this is not the case here.
In my opinion, after frequent cases of plagiarism, users should be nuked. It would help keep the forum clean of spam.

[DdmrDdmr]

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@ataraxiaceleste has got an Activity of 50, so he probably cannot be nuked that easily according to this:

Did both these noobs have more than 28 activity (Forward still does)? AFAIK regular mods can nuke only below 28, others have to be delegated to globals... <...>

The above does seem to leave room for Global Moderators or Admins to be able to nuke the account though.

[DaveF]

I thought first offence wasn't permaban also.
it'd be very hard to work out if you were the original user of the account for some or not so I think the stance from the glob mods was don't report posts of banned users (but it mightve changed).

I'd have to side with that option just in case any of the other posts were helpful with understanding a thread for example.

If someone bought an account that had plagiarism issues then that's on them.

If some posts were helpful in other threads that might be an issue, but it's tough to say.

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@ataraxiaceleste has got an Activity of 50, so he probably cannot be nuked that easily according to this:

Did both these noobs have more than 28 activity (Forward still does)? AFAIK regular mods can nuke only below 28, others have to be delegated to globals... <...>

The above does seem to leave room for Global Moderators or Admins to be able to nuke the account though.

Did not know about the 28 activity. On the surface I don't see a reason. If someone has been posting a lot of coped works for a few weeks / months without getting caught you can easily have 28 activity. Seems silly to limit what the mods can do.

-Dave

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And as for the punishment, I think the administration has given up on that path - some got a second chance, others didn’t and that’s where it all stopped. After a big clean-up of the forum and thousands of banned, I think that now (except in exceptional cases) no one is considering requests to remove perma- ban's for plagiarism.

I'm confused as to the exact meaning of the above (and it could just be my scrambled-eggs brain).  Are you saying members caught for plagiarism are being permabanned or is nothing being done?  And are you saying that moderators aren't even considering ban appeals anymore? 

As to OP's point, I thought if a member was caught in multiple instances of plagiarism, his entire post history got nuked, because I'd seen that occur a number of times.  But I guess it was because of that activity limit imposed on the mods.  In any case, if we're talking about a senior member with hundreds or thousands of posts who got banned for plagiarism, I don't think their entire post history ought to be wiped out even if mods were allowed to do that.  They might have posted some original posts that have value and I don't see any reason why those should be deleted.

If someone bought an account that had plagiarism issues then that's on them.

If some posts were helpful in other threads that might be an issue, but it's tough to say.

Yeah, and that's one of the cases I was thinking about.  Another would be that an old-time member committed plagiarism early on and never got caught and subsequently stopped copy-pasting.  Why delete all the valid posts because a fraction of the total were plagiarized?

[pugman]

I'm confused as to the exact meaning of the above (and it could just be my scrambled-eggs brain).  Are you saying members caught for plagiarism are being permabanned or is nothing being done?  And are you saying that moderators aren't even considering ban appeals anymore? 

I think what he is saying is that the forum mods usually go for a perma ban 99% of the time as opposed to a sig ban. And when people get caught for plagiarism, mods do ban them. That isnt the issue here, I dont think.

So the question is, should there be a point when they have had "X" posts that were plagiarized or "X" percentage of their posts were plagiarized that they really do get nuked and all their posts removed.
I am just using this person as an example since I saw it. There have been others where they have many posts that were copy / paste and yet although banned their posts stayed.

I think after a certain point they should all go. How does anyone else feel.

-Dave

*also full disclosure I don't think your 1st offense should be perma-ban; a 30 day forum ban and 1 year sig ban is fine. Next one you're gone.

From what I know, only new accounts can get nuked below member status. Others can only be banned? Don't quote me on this, I remember this very vaguely.

And as for mods not handling a ban, maybe because there wasn't enough proof or mods just didnt see it.

[Lucius]

And as for the punishment, I think the administration has given up on that path - some got a second chance, others didn’t and that’s where it all stopped. After a big clean-up of the forum and thousands of banned, I think that now (except in exceptional cases) no one is considering requests to remove perma- ban's for plagiarism.

I'm confused as to the exact meaning of the above (and it could just be my scrambled-eggs brain).  Are you saying members caught for plagiarism are being permabanned or is nothing being done?  And are you saying that moderators aren't even considering ban appeals anymore? 

I was referring to the last sentence in OP : "also full disclosure I don't think your 1st offense should be perma-ban; a 30 day forum ban and 1 year sig ban is fine. Next one you're gone."

At one point there were very many who received a perma-ban for plagiarism, and individuals were given a second chance to have their perma-bam replaced with a temporary ban and signature ban. What I want to say is that I do not remember the last case in which perma-ban for plagiarism is replaced with temp ban or signature ban.

Here is an interesting list from 2019 from which you can see who all asked for a ban appeal, and who got a second chance (list is not updated for some time - some members marked as banned are unbanned).

[BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)

[erikoy]

does permban help the forum? Or does newbie and other low rank users just create another account if they get ban. For them getting ban may be a usual or common thing to happen and they did not learn from it except for those high rank users getting permban.

Those newbie users continue to abuse the use of the forum by messing it with their posts usually promoting links, scam, malware and hacking tools. We know hoe ban works when one gets ban that person himself is ban but due to other means of registering a new account getting back to the forum is possible. So how could this be solve?

[Lafu]

does permban help the forum? Or does newbie and other low rank users just create another account if they get ban. For them getting ban may be a usual or common thing to happen and they did not learn from it except for those high rank users getting permban.

Those newbie users continue to abuse the use of the forum by messing it with their posts usually promoting links, scam, malware and hacking tools. We know hoe ban works when one gets ban that person himself is ban but due to other means of registering a new account getting back to the forum is possible. So how could this be solve?

For shady Users and those who posting malware links it helps that they get perma banned .
Mostly this accounts got hacked or sold , and the real owner can be get it back maybe if he got hacked and solved the recover process for the Account.
If a perma banned Users create new accounts its just a matter of time they will get catched again.

[Pmalek]

I don't think posts of a user should be deleted and nuked after he gets banned. The mods can add the source link to a post if needed. If the plagiarized post still brings value to the forum and adds to the discussion, the source link should be added and they can do to the user whatever they see fit.

If the post is of low quality and spam, it should be removed. We have seen all kinds of combinations here so mods handle it differently for everyone. We have instances of posts getting deleted and users getting banned, posts getting deleted without users being banned, and users getting nuked.

[GeorgeJohn]

I thought any body caught plagiarized work has a specific treatment which know one can come for rescure if directly reported to the moderators, reporting all this without penalty can encourage beginners to follow the same steps of plagiarism.
I will like a situations were by is everyone is been treated equally in terms of punishment.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I can share just a little internal information, the posts often are kept as evidence. I think this applies for junior accouts and above.
I was asked a few times to not report posts due to undergoing investigation, with the time those involved accounts were dealt with.
This applies mostly when I'm reporting connected accounts/farms. But it can be applicable to different cases ad well.

There is a reason behind every action ( or absence of action) but too often we are nor aware of it.

[Adnan523]

This problem is for those who want to earn money without any trouble or hard work. A few days ago a friend of mine bought a member ID. After 4-5 days his ID was banned. The person from whom he bought it he opened this ID 1 month ago. This person Copied all comments and articles from others. My friend was new and wanted to earn money without hard work so he bought the ID and a few days later he was banned.

I think those who buy rank id like member,sr.member, etc ID should be banned because he is in a good rank position. Because he has member ID or anything rank id and he copying comments or articles is not good for the forums. And who is new in these forums if he/she make a little mistake as a newbie doesn't ban him. Give him a warning.