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August 21, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
Last edit: August 22, 2020, 05:28:03 PM by Steamtyme
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For a long time it's been clear that they really only care about commercial size clientele. They'll still sell us gear but it's more like we should appreciate the privilege. With all the infighting this year has already been a shitty time to order and wait on gear from Bitmain, and late 2020 early 2021 will likely be similar.

https://www.coindesk.com/riot-blockchain-buys-bitmain-rigs

Here is a public announcement of 8K S19 pro's top be delivered in 4 batches starting January 2020. This is one client that is being public about their orders, I can only imagine this is being replicated by others as well.

8K miners at a price of 17.7 Million = 2212.25$ per unit.

This article has a better description of just how hard Riot is going at this. I wonder if they are also waiting on some of those orders that are expected this year: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/riot-blockchain-announces-milestone-purchase-of-8-000-s19-pro-antminers-from-bitmain-with-delivery-starting-january-2021--resulting-in-1-45-ehs-in-total-hash-rate-301113391.html.


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August 21, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
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so the first 2000 units to arrive in jan 2021

final units to arrive in april 2021

that is a long way off.

8000 units and none shipping for at least 130 days.

Seems to be to be a pretty nice preorder.  I wonder how much they put down on the order for the 8000 units.

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August 21, 2020, 11:06:34 PM
Last edit: August 22, 2020, 01:41:09 AM by frodocooper
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This is not unique to Bitmain / crypto. Most manufacturers of anything that requires support / maintenance / customer service would rather sell in bulk then to individuals. The people on this board a a bit different in that for many support issues we can take care of ourselves. But how much time and effort has Bitmain (or any other maker of anything) spent with end user issues.

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August 22, 2020, 01:17:56 AM
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Waiting 8 months or longer to fulfill order is a risky bet. Note that it was $17.7M, not $1.7, but your math is still right for $2,215 per unit. Check their earnings: https://ir.riotblockchain.com/press-releases/detail/86/riot-blockchain-reports-second-quarter-2020-financial

That order basically cost them 4x's their Q1 and Q2 earnings combined. Q2 their mining revenues decreased $500k compared to previous year, so they've already been on the downswing. Haven't even been breaking $2M/quarter. $176.57M market cap so there's a decent chunk of investor money to burn through.
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August 22, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
Last edit: August 23, 2020, 12:13:35 AM by frodocooper
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Seems to be to be a pretty nice preorder.  I wonder how much they put down on the order for the 8000 units.

Hard to say what would be expected probably a minimum of 50% down. Might be some special workaround considering they have orders fulfilling every last month, this month and then again in February for 1000 miners each go.

This is not unique to Bitmain / crypto. Most manufacturers of anything that requires support / maintenance / customer service would rather sell in bulk then to individuals. The people on this board a a bit different in that for many support issues we can take care of ourselves. But how much time and effort has Bitmain (or any other maker of anything) spent with end user issues.

Apart form some decent direct contact with an account manager I don't imagine they step up their warranty game that much. They likely put the onus on the customer to have trained techs, through Bitmains certification process and then charge them for parts, as opposed to forcing returns for repair. In the end it's easier for them to sell off bulk quantities than deal with individual sales, it just leaves individuals to fit for the remainder.

That order basically cost them 4x's their Q1 and Q2 earnings combined. Q2 their mining revenues decreased $500k compared to previous year, so they've already been on the downswing. Haven't even been breaking $2M/quarter. $176.57M market cap so there's a decent chunk of investor money to burn through.

Typo fixed. Actually looking at the linked report their revenues are up compared with 2019, they state 11%. They do mention Q2 being down 500K from 2019, but that is explained by their downtime in moving their mining operations, the halving and they say diff increases. The latter isn't as relevant as that should be expected, but the first 2 make a lot of sense to explain that small snapshot.

This is likely to turn around now with the recent price increase, the fact that they've been steadily adding gear for the last 4 months and plans to grow outpacing diff increases.


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