Alexei Navalny the next victim of the kremlin government!!!

[cygan]

a few days ago the opposition leader A. Navalny was most likely poisoned by the russian regime and is now in a coma.
today he was finally transferred to germany and is now in berlin in the charite clinic for treatment.👍
hopefully he survives the nasty game of the russians and the whole thing will be uncovered

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53844958
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-alexei-navalny-poisoning/a-54629657
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/russia-accused-blocking-alexei-navalny-treatment-germany-200821063439472.html

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[gerica0613]

a few days ago the opposition leader A. Navalny was most likely poisoned by the russian regime and is now in a coma.
today he was finally transferred to germany and is now in berlin in the charite clinic for treatment.👍
hopefully he survives the nasty game of the russians and the whole thing will be uncovered

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What's even more infuriating is the unwillingness of gov-controlled doctors to give any details on the situation and give him out to actually get some treatment

[Juggy777]

a few days ago the opposition leader A. Navalny was most likely poisoned by the russian regime and is now in a coma.
today he was finally transferred to germany and is now in berlin in the charite clinic for treatment.👍
hopefully he survives the nasty game of the russians and the whole thing will be uncovered

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53844958
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-alexei-navalny-poisoning/a-54629657
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/russia-accused-blocking-alexei-navalny-treatment-germany-200821063439472.html

What's even more infuriating is the unwillingness of gov-controlled doctors to give any details on the situation and give him out to actually get some treatment

@cygan this is sad and really low level politics, and I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it and even though it’s yet not officially confirmed that he’s involved, but unofficially we all know that he’s involved in this directly.

Also I know that Navalny has been constantly criticising Putin, but even then Putin has unlimited power so once again I’m confused why would he stoop so low and use such dirty tricks?.

@geeica0613 yea what those doctors did was really sad, and initially they didn’t even allow his wife to meet him, but finally they relented and allowed her inside.

[Cnut237]

I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it

He doesn't need to do it, but the fact is that he can do it with impunity. Putin is untouchable in Russia, and so is able to crush all opposition. And as recent history has shown, other countries will do nothing to stop him. China is an ally, the US under Trump has turned its back on the world, the EU is scared.

Every time he does something like this, and the only effect is a bit of grumbling in the international community, it encourages him to do the same again in the future. And each time he does so, it reinforces his strong-man image. We see the same behaviour with other powerful countries, most notably China's approach towards Hong Kong.

[Coyster]

If Navalny survives this ordeal, I'm sure it's going to leave him in a very bad physical condition, he could lose proper functioning of vital parts of his body and that will one way or another end his criticism against Putin and his government, and that is exactly why this attack was perpetrated, It's either to kill him or render him handicap. It's sad how modern day politics has resulted into silencing strong oppositions to dictatorial rule. There's no point in asking what the world is going to do, this sort of attack comes from the top and it's done with utmost shrewdness, there can be absolutely no trace.

[cygan]

the first doctors from the charite clinic in berlin have spoken out and they have come to the conclusion that there is a high probability that this was a poison attack and that A. Navalny was poisoned...

Russian opposition leader Alexey Navalny was 'fairly likely' poisoned, Germany says

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/24/europe/alexey-navalny-germany-poison-grm-intl/index.html

[Sendoku]

Every time he does something like this, and the only effect is a bit of grumbling in the international community, it encourages him to do the same again in the future. And each time he does so, it reinforces his strong-man image. We see the same behaviour with other powerful countries, most notably China's approach towards Hong Kong.

Sad but true. While the world is busy fighting corona-related issues, dictators go nuts with no visible repercussions

[LTU_btc]

Unfortunately, it's nothing new for Russia. It's not first time when they are trying to remove their opponents in similar way. Litvinenko - tea with polonium, Skripal - Novichok gas. I'm not even talking about opponents killed in other ways, like Nemtsov who was shot.
Navalny probably is biggest critic of Putin in Russia. Previously there already was attempts to harm his health, they also send him to jail on regular basis. And fact that they didn't allowed Navalny to be moved to hospital in Germany for so long says a lot about this situation. I hope that he will recover.

[squatz1]

Nothing new for Russia TOTALLY. Though I think it's fair to say that there are going to be a ton of conspiracy theories regarding this that will come out. It makes sense though, because what more would the defense community (Military Industrial Complex) / intelligence community want.

But I'll relax with the conspiracy stuff for a second, because the most likely scenario is the Kremlin trying to kill off someone who Putin thinks is a threat to him or (and) Putin is trying to send a message to other opponents of his government by doing this. Has anyone ever noticed that the Putin always makes very public attempts to kill people -- this is done to send a message, not because he enjoys the press. He uses the press to send a message with this, just like he typically does.

[cygan]

here is a good article describing what has happened to all the kremlin critics so far...

Several prominent critics of Kremlin policies - ex-spies, journalists and politicians - have been poisoned in the past two decades.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53907761

[cygan]

Alexei Navalny Update: 'Some Improvement' In Condition, German Hospital Says

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/28/907033823/navalny-update-some-improvement-in-condition-german-hospital-says?t=1598790836378

[cygan]

german politicians are now considering stopping the nord stream 2 gas pipeline project because of the Navalny poisoning

“This openly attempted murder through the Kremlin’s mafia-like structures should not just worry us but needs to have real consequences,” said Katrin Göring-Eckardt, the co-chair of the Greens in the Bundestag.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/03/merkel-pressured-to-end-nord-stream-2-support-after-navalny-poisoning

[LTU_btc]

german politicians are now considering stopping the nord stream 2 gas pipeline project because of the Navalny poisoning

“This openly attempted murder through the Kremlin’s mafia-like structures should not just worry us but needs to have real consequences,” said Katrin Göring-Eckardt, the co-chair of the Greens in the Bundestag.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/03/merkel-pressured-to-end-nord-stream-2-support-after-navalny-poisoning

I think it would be naive to expect that this project will be stoped. It's very big and important project, too much money was invested into it to stop when pipeline is almost finished. IMO, no matter what Russia will do, Germany will never impose sanctions that actually will hurt Russia.
And these plans to stop pipeline project comes from opposistion, they don't have any power. Probably they just want to get attention and give some pressure for Merkel.

[cygan]

Russia's Navalny out of coma after poisoning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54061370

Alex Navalny is now responsive and his health has improved a lot during the last days

[squatz1]

Russia's Navalny out of coma after poisoning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54061370

Alex Navalny is now responsive and his health has improved a lot during the last days

Nice update and good to hear. Will probably be in his best interest to stay out of Russia, and keep his opposition online. There will totally be more attempts for his life though, hopefully the western countries of the world will protect him in some way.

Sadly though, this entire poisoning by the Russian government and all that did everything that they wanted to do with this attempted assassination. They stoke fear in the eyes of all of those that are publicly against the Putin administration in Russia, and ensure that they know the consequences of being against the authoritarian government of Russia.

[cygan]

a small update on the state of health of A. Navalny

He’s fully aware of his condition, he’s fully aware of what happened and he’s fully aware of where he is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/world/europe/navalny-novichok.html

[squatz1]

a small update on the state of health of A. Navalny

He’s fully aware of his condition, he’s fully aware of what happened and he’s fully aware of where he is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/world/europe/navalny-novichok.html

Thanks for the update, much appreciated.

Little update of my own regarding how Navalny was actually poisoned: CNN (and other outlets) is reporting that there is trace amounts of poison found on his water bottle from the hotel that he was staying at in Siberia. Further, CNN is saying that when hsi team notyiced that he had fallen ill that they had gathered a LOT of items in the room and put them in bags to ensure that everything could be tested. This was a way to try to find SOMETHING that could have potentially poisoned him. When the police came, they were interestingly interested in the water bottle.

So yeah, Russia did this but we all knew that already. This sends a clear message to anyone who wants to try to be opposition to Putin. Leaders of the world should rally against Putin and this. Not OKAY at all to just turn a blind eye on it just because 'cant confirm'

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/europe/navalny-novichok-poisoned-water-intl/index.html

[Gyfts]

Navanlny describes his recovery process: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/alexei-navalny-shares-photo-speaks-initial-despair-when-waking-coma-n1240543

Guy went to Yale in the states too, should have just stayed. Russia will never be an ally of the United States and they should be treated exactly as China.

I would predict the U.S. would go to war with Russia within a few decades if they had any economic power, but they couldn't afford war. Their economy is already in shambles. I don't think their military is equipped well enough either.

[squatz1]

Navanlny describes his recovery process: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/alexei-navalny-shares-photo-speaks-initial-despair-when-waking-coma-n1240543

Guy went to Yale in the states too, should have just stayed. Russia will never be an ally of the United States and they should be treated exactly as China.

I would predict the U.S. would go to war with Russia within a few decades if they had any economic power, but they couldn't afford war. Their economy is already in shambles. I don't think their military is equipped well enough either.

Total +1 to that.

Russia is literally as bad as China, though they just don't have the economic power to be as much of a force when it comes to sanctioning them. China has that going for them, which has let them get away with being a piece of shit nation for awhile, but Russia is just something else.

Most of Russias economy is HIGHLY dependent on the oil/gas market (which is very weirdly highly connected with the Europe) which is something that countries should focus on to shut down Russia.

Russia is a piece of shit country (alongside China) both should be dealt with like enemies to the USA.

[LTU_btc]

It's good to read that Navalny is getting better. But I'm wondering what will happen when he will return to Russia. It will be so unsafe for him there if he will continue his activities.

Total +1 to that.

Russia is literally as bad as China, though they just don't have the economic power to be as much of a force when it comes to sanctioning them. China has that going for them, which has let them get away with being a piece of shit nation for awhile, but Russia is just something else.

As bad as China? IMO, Russia is much worse. China is much bigger threat for USA in terms of economics. While Russia with their impetialist politics is much bigger threat in general. But maybe not for USA in general, but for their allies in Europe.

[cygan]

Bank accounts also frozen as part of lawsuit filed by catering firm, his spokeswoman says

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/alexei-navalny-moscow-flat-seized-as-recovered-from-poisoning

[Salauddin1994]

Germany says aexei navalny a russian opposition politician has been used as a nerve agent the german government says a toxicology test at a military laboratory has found clear evidence that navalny's group's agents were present in navalny's body.They argued that an attempt had been made to kill scripps and his daughter with russian-made nerve gas novichak.

[cygan]

some news from A. Navalny...

Alexei Navalny slammed former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder as Putin's "errand boy." Previously, Schröder said there were no "hard facts" on who is behind the Russian's poisoning. Berlin is threatening sanctions.

https://www.dw.com/en/alexei-navalny-ex-german-chancellor-schr%C3%B6der-an-errand-boy-for-putin/a-55181958

Global chemical watchdog group confirms Navalny was poisoned by Soviet-era nerve agent

https://www.foxnews.com/world/kremlin-critic-alexei-says-putin-responsible-for-poisoning-in-first-video-interview

[PrimeNumber7]

I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it

He doesn't need to do it, but the fact is that he can do it with impunity. Putin is untouchable in Russia, and so is able to crush all opposition. And as recent history has shown, other countries will do nothing to stop him. China is an ally, the US under Trump has turned its back on the world, the EU is scared.

Putin invaded multiple countries when Obama was president, and Obama did nothing, actually less than nothing as Obama and Clinton as secretary of State "reset" relations with Putin.

Putin does this because he needs to scare his population into obedience. If the Russians do not heed to Putin's power, his government will fall. There is a possibility (although small) that Putin's government will not surivie due to the unpopularity of their response to the coronavirus.

Russia does not have free and fair elections, but Putin still directs Russians to vote every so often. There have been some local elections in which the opposition party has made gains.

The point is that Putin wants to scare his opposition from putting forward effective candidates, and preventing an effective from campaigning 

[cygan]

Being Navalny: Russian activist, wife explain his brush with death after poisoning, escaping for treatment
In the interview, Alexei Navalny recounts the moments before he succumbed to poisoning.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/being-navalny-russsian-activist-escape-wife-poisoning

[squatz1]

I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it

He doesn't need to do it, but the fact is that he can do it with impunity. Putin is untouchable in Russia, and so is able to crush all opposition. And as recent history has shown, other countries will do nothing to stop him. China is an ally, the US under Trump has turned its back on the world, the EU is scared.

Putin invaded multiple countries when Obama was president, and Obama did nothing, actually less than nothing as Obama and Clinton as secretary of State "reset" relations with Putin.

Putin does this because he needs to scare his population into obedience. If the Russians do not heed to Putin's power, his government will fall. There is a possibility (although small) that Putin's government will not surivie due to the unpopularity of their response to the coronavirus.

Russia does not have free and fair elections, but Putin still directs Russians to vote every so often. There have been some local elections in which the opposition party has made gains.

The point is that Putin wants to scare his opposition from putting forward effective candidates, and preventing an effective from campaigning 

That's literally one of the big reasons that Russia invaded Crimea.

#1. Show his people that they have military dominance over another country and ensure people in the country know their place.

#2. Show his people that he is openly disobeying the West and there is nothing that the West can do to stop him. He's trying to show that he is stronger then them.

Putin will literally be in power for his entire life. Guy isn't going to go away at some point. His leadership style in Russia has worked to maintain the oligopoly and maintain his power. Crazy shit, but that's Russia for ya.

[cygan]

Russian opposition leader Navalny says Trump should condemn chemical attack against him

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/18/europe/russia-navalny-trump-putin-intl-hnk/index.html

[PrimeNumber7]

I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it

He doesn't need to do it, but the fact is that he can do it with impunity. Putin is untouchable in Russia, and so is able to crush all opposition. And as recent history has shown, other countries will do nothing to stop him. China is an ally, the US under Trump has turned its back on the world, the EU is scared.

Putin invaded multiple countries when Obama was president, and Obama did nothing, actually less than nothing as Obama and Clinton as secretary of State "reset" relations with Putin.

Putin does this because he needs to scare his population into obedience. If the Russians do not heed to Putin's power, his government will fall. There is a possibility (although small) that Putin's government will not surivie due to the unpopularity of their response to the coronavirus.

Russia does not have free and fair elections, but Putin still directs Russians to vote every so often. There have been some local elections in which the opposition party has made gains.

The point is that Putin wants to scare his opposition from putting forward effective candidates, and preventing an effective from campaigning

That's literally one of the big reasons that Russia invaded Crimea.

#1. Show his people that they have military dominance over another country and ensure people in the country know their place.

#2. Show his people that he is openly disobeying the West and there is nothing that the West can do to stop him. He's trying to show that he is stronger then them.

Putin will literally be in power for his entire life. Guy isn't going to go away at some point. His leadership style in Russia has worked to maintain the oligopoly and maintain his power. Crazy shit, but that's Russia for ya.

If Obama had done anything meaningful to help Crimea, Putin would have backed off. Unfortunately, he and Biden did nothing and Putin was able to get away with the invasion without consequences.

If Biden is elected, I would expect both Taiwan and more of the Ukraine to fall to China and Russia respectively. I would also expect more of this kind of scare tactics against dissidents in both Russia and China. Both countries know they can get away with this kind of thing with a Biden administration.

[squatz1]

I don’t even understand why Putin needs to do it

He doesn't need to do it, but the fact is that he can do it with impunity. Putin is untouchable in Russia, and so is able to crush all opposition. And as recent history has shown, other countries will do nothing to stop him. China is an ally, the US under Trump has turned its back on the world, the EU is scared.

Putin invaded multiple countries when Obama was president, and Obama did nothing, actually less than nothing as Obama and Clinton as secretary of State "reset" relations with Putin.

Putin does this because he needs to scare his population into obedience. If the Russians do not heed to Putin's power, his government will fall. There is a possibility (although small) that Putin's government will not surivie due to the unpopularity of their response to the coronavirus.

Russia does not have free and fair elections, but Putin still directs Russians to vote every so often. There have been some local elections in which the opposition party has made gains.

The point is that Putin wants to scare his opposition from putting forward effective candidates, and preventing an effective from campaigning

That's literally one of the big reasons that Russia invaded Crimea.

#1. Show his people that they have military dominance over another country and ensure people in the country know their place.

#2. Show his people that he is openly disobeying the West and there is nothing that the West can do to stop him. He's trying to show that he is stronger then them.

Putin will literally be in power for his entire life. Guy isn't going to go away at some point. His leadership style in Russia has worked to maintain the oligopoly and maintain his power. Crazy shit, but that's Russia for ya.

If Obama had done anything meaningful to help Crimea, Putin would have backed off. Unfortunately, he and Biden did nothing and Putin was able to get away with the invasion without consequences.

If Biden is elected, I would expect both Taiwan and more of the Ukraine to fall to China and Russia respectively. I would also expect more of this kind of scare tactics against dissidents in both Russia and China. Both countries know they can get away with this kind of thing with a Biden administration.

Pretty sure the Chinese are a big fan of Biden due to the fact that he isn't going to be as hard on China as Trump is, or was for that matter.

Russia I'm not so sure on what their plan is. I personally don't think they care for any particular candidate though they do care about causing chaos and divide in the US. Plus Putin gets to be the strongman leader of his country which is the only reason that he still has power.

Guess we'll find out in less then a week what we're looking at, lol.