Verifying Provably Fair b.s.

[Theraker]

So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

[Welsh]

I'm assuming you're talking about a particular gambling website, what one is it? Since, to be able to verify it they should have everything that's required to verify it on their site. If they simply just state that its provably fair without....providing the means to prove it then they likely aren't being completely transparent.

[Oilacris]

So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

Most known sites will really show you about the fairness of their games. Just like on what you can found in roobet here: https://roobet.com/fair

About third parties verifiers then they do actually exist and you can search them up yet i havent tried to use up these things because when i do gamble i do just stick out to known

ones where you do able to verify your bets or would simply show you up on fair they are.

[Theraker]

I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.   It’s not just any one casino I‘M pointing the finger at and crying because I lost.  I honestly don’t believe it is mathematically possible to lose 28 hands of blackjack in a row Once my bet amount increased to 0.001BTC per hand.  To lose 54 spins on a slot machine in a row once my bet amount was over 0.001BTC per spin seems suspect.   Casino edges and the old saying The house always wins are not lost on me.  I get it.  But if there is a verification to utilize that is not affiliated with the casino being played in I would love to know about it.

[TravelMug]

So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

Maybe this thread can help you out: How fair is Provably Fair? Do you verify every bet as a gambler?. And then cross reference your result to the result of the online casinos that you are playing and see if they perfectly match.

[Darker45]

Gambling results may appear to be bullshit but they are truly what they are most of the time. It may be almost impossible to imagine to lose 28 consecutive hands in a blackjack but it happens. In the same manner that a dice game with 50% winning chance could also give you 30 consecutive losing rolls.

Anyway, you might want to check this out: https://blog.bc.game/how-to-verify-that-my-bets-were-fair/. This is a guide or a tutorial on how to verify fairness using an independent third party. This uses SHA256 online.

It's a good idea to use a third party verifier rather than using an onsite tool that was created by the casino you are checking up on. The whole idea here is to remove the need for you to place your trust into casinos. 

[akhjob]

I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.

Why not spit out the casino's name? The reason why I ask the name is because the provably fair system is different for different casinos, there are exceptions though. So if you could provide the name of the site, we could help you better.

[Theraker]

My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

[swogerino]

My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

It is the first time I hear the name of this casino but I am not judging them.Again the only way to verify completely is that this site to offer to the gambler all the need tools for verifying the hash and the seed and of course the site should provide also a link to an independent provider in which you can also verify the seed.Unfortunately very few casinos do this.

[ralle14]

My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

If those are the sites then follow the steps on that bc.game blog linked above by darker since both sites uses the same provably fair system (client, server and nonce).

Unfortunately they don't have a convenient third party verifier like the ones from dicesites but it still gets the job done.

[Saisher]

I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.

Why not spit out the casino's name? The reason why I ask the name is because the provably fair system is different for different casinos, there are exceptions though. So if you could provide the name of the site, we could help you better.

I agree he should complete the information and spill the beans on the casino that is on questions probably that's a new gambling site in question because old gambling sites do not have issues about their provably fair reputation because they have not been questioned before.

[dre1982]

I only gamble at casinos offering their own provably fair verification, but it is their own.   It’s not just any one casino I‘M pointing the finger at and crying because I lost.  I honestly don’t believe it is mathematically possible to lose 28 hands of blackjack in a row Once my bet amount increased to 0.001BTC per hand.  To lose 54 spins on a slot machine in a row once my bet amount was over 0.001BTC per spin seems suspect.   Casino edges and the old saying The house always wins are not lost on me.  I get it.  But if there is a verification to utilize that is not affiliated with the casino being played in I would love to know about it.

Well there is a big difference between bad luck and cheating. Not every worst streak is directly the cause of a cheating casino. Just provide the best and we can check it.

[imstillthebest]

So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

using other sites besides the gambling site you are using to verify your bets may not be safe or they can provide fake proof's  .

 they can pay that site to make the results fair but the truth is they are scam  but if the site is already a scam , theres no real difference because they can still give fake proofs when you check your bets inside thier site  . we should not accuse the casino if we got bad results because you can be unlucky and if the casino is clean for accusations.

[Ucy]

Are your test/research giving you different contradictory results or something?
 I guess I would use a betting site that has been tested by multiple reputable sites/systems for provable fairness. The average result from the multiple sites/systems will probably determine how trustworthy the claim of provable fairness is.

[bitbollo]

So many results are obviously complete bullshit.  Has anyone found a third party site that we the players can use to verify results of blackjack and slots and whatever other questionable outcomes we encounter?

If you look from a statistical perspective even a result with extreme odds doesn't need it's an impossible result.
I mean despite it's appear a rare event it can happens. There is not much to say.
There are several way to check the fairness of a gaming site, or verify your games and mostly have been already posted here.
Share your website and some of your bets (if it's a site "provably fair), it would be very easy get an evaluation.

[webtricks]

My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

I have a good news for you.

BTCgosu.com is launching a tool this Sunday where users can verify bets for over 30 casinos at single place. With the introduction of this tool, BTCGosu is aiming to become the biggest third-party verifier in Crypto Gambling industry. I am personally managing the built of the tool. BC.Game is one of the 33 casinos which will be launched this Sunday.

I will surely include LuckyFish in next update. Keep an eye on BTCGosu thread or this thread this weekend when tool will be announced.

-webtricks

[Kakmakr]

My bad I didn’t even mention the casinos they were Luckyfish and BC.game.

I have a good news for you.

BTCgosu.com is launching a tool this Sunday where users can verify bets for over 30 casinos at single place. With the introduction of this tool, BTCGosu is aiming to become the biggest third-party verifier in Crypto Gambling industry. I am personally managing the built of the tool. BC.Game is one of the 33 casinos which will be launched this Sunday.

I will surely include LuckyFish in next update. Keep an eye on BTCGosu thread or this thread this weekend when tool will be announced.

-webtricks

Yes, this is exactly what is needed. A independent and unbiased site that are not linked to any of these casinos, that has experienced experts that can test the fairness of these systems. Most of the gamblers are not technically inclined and would not know how to do these tests or verify the data, even after they used the tools.

Thank you for this information, I will give you 2 Merit points for this contribution. 

[Lakai01]

Yes, this is exactly what is needed. A independent and unbiased site that are not linked to any of these casinos, that has experienced experts that can test the fairness of these systems.

I am generally a very big fan of the idea behind efialtis' idea of BTCGosu. The crypto-gambling market is already quite big and especially for newcomers very difficult to understand (and casinos are appearing regularly whose only intention is to scam the customers). Here such review sites are a very easy way to get an overview of which casinos are available and which of them are trustworthy enough to deposit funds.

Most of the gamblers are not technically inclined and would not know how to do these tests or verify the data, even after they used the tools.

To be honest, I am also sure that a large part of the players doesn't use the possibilities offered by "provably fair". Only a few understand why you need such a thing at all and what the results mean. Even here in the forum, "provably fair" is regularly equated with "doesn't scam me", although the one has nothing to do with the other.

[slaman29]

This was just discussed at one casino as well earlier today, I won't say names, but I think there is a misconception about what provably fair means. RNG systems that people respect and acknowledge aren't the same as PF. PF should mean you can verify on your own without relying on 3rd party sites.

[Lakai01]

This was just discussed at one casino as well earlier today, I won't say names, but I think there is a misconception about what provably fair means. RNG systems that people respect and acknowledge aren't the same as PF. PF should mean you can verify on your own without relying on 3rd party sites.

That's what I am talking about. Provably Fair is very missleading, a large part of the players understands by it something, which is actually not meant and weighs itself in false security.
The problem here is that this can be exploited by casinos, which may scam their players(no payout of larger amounts, ...). It is enough to write "We are provably fair" on the website and you will get an unjustified trust advance.