#4 Bitcointalk Poker Series @ SwC Poker (0.06 BTC, BIG BTC Ticket by SwC)

[Steamtyme]

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First thanks for the work throughout the series.

My only comment regarding the above though is this. I believe PM's should remain private. Misunderstanding and oversights can happen, bringing more people into the fray while an issue is fresh usually only makes it worse.
Side note in the poker series thread Yahoo has mentioned being able to set up a series on betnomi. That's all I know but he's doing an interest check - can't link I'm on phone

[efialtis]

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First thanks for the work throughout the series.

My only comment regarding the above though is this. I believe PM's should remain private. Misunderstanding and oversights can happen, bringing more people into the fray while an issue is fresh usually only makes it worse.
Side note in the poker series thread Yahoo has mentioned being able to set up a series on betnomi. That's all I know but he's doing an interest check - can't link I'm on phone

I have not published any PM and as per rules stated in OP, disputes shall get resolved via majority decision.

I am out of this discussion, won't comment any further on this and not manage any poker game in the future. If the majority feels the cash should be refunded, please arrange this, do the calculations and kindly ask the winners to send the cash back to foma. Thanks!

[figmentofmyass]

So, one hour and ten minutes ago I received a PM from figmentofmyass kindly asking me to send him back the fees he overpaid (0.0028 BTC) so he can donate it to a future game our lovely Globb0 will be running.

I had (provably) already sent out the prizes when I read the pm, answered that I saw one of his posts (where he writes "think/hope" but he never concretely made that request (not in his posts, not via PM) and as a result, got another PM (in my opinion absolutely inadequate), stating I should at least apologize for having overlooked/ignored his request (there was no request whatsoever) and I should not get weird. Also, if someone wants his money back and says or suggests that, I shouldn't donate it to others but be reasonable and checking with them.

this is in poor taste. i told you i don't care about the money. i'm baffled why you took that as an invitation to start some petty public drama.

all i asked for was for you to acknowledge that maybe you made an oversight, because you told me you saw my posts about wanting the fees back and ignored them anyway. you could have just been like "sorry dude" (even if you didn't think you had any fault) and ended it there. it's not like i expected any money back at that point.

instead, you did this.

Do what you want but I am extremely pissed to be honest - and disappointed.

i have no idea wtf you are on about, why you ignored my PMs saying i don't care about or expect the money, and why you're now claiming i want to claw money back from the winners. that's insane, and it's sorta fucked up to suggest that's what i asked for.

what a ridiculous tantrum......

[tyKiwanuka]

Looks like some miscommunication, but tbh figment, your posts didn't indicate to me as well, that you are definitely requesting a refund. For me it sounded like you are just thinking about donating, but never stated clearly that you want those chips back - á la "please send the 2800 chips back to......". If it was clear, I would have recalculated the extra prizes for grand final and lottery beforehand for sure.

I think you have to agree, that these statements are not a 100% clear request to refund the chips:

(...)and i was hoping to donate the extra fees to the tourney @Globb0 is (hopefully) organizing.

tbh, i'd rather donate the 0.0028 BTC i overpaid in fees to a one off or monthly forum game like Globb0 wants to organize:

But anyway, lets not make a drama out of this. I feel kind of responsible for this series and the well-being of all participants , so if you PM me a BTC address, I will send you the 0.0028 BTC, you and efialtis shake hands and we can move on

[iv4n]

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But anyway, lets not make a drama out of this. I feel kind of responsible for this series and the well-being of all participants , so if you PM me a BTC address, I will send you the 0.0028 BTC, you and efialtis shake hands and we can move on

Respec tyK! As always your words strike right in the point! I don't wish to comment a little misunderstanding here, our games grown to my heart and I love all of you guys! We definitely have something good here!
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If money is the problem (but I am sure it's not) I am joining tyK and I will send the same amount! Half to Foma and half to Globb0 and his initiative to organize some games for all of us! I am at your disposal, whatever you decide to do I will follow!

[Betwrong]

It was a great game yesterday! Thanks to everyone for participating and playing really good poker!

It is so happened that I made a screenshot of iv4n's quads, so, even though you can  see it while rewatching Globb0's video, which I'm planning to do later today, I'll post it here, cos quads is something that always nice to see once more.



Congrats to Hhampuz, yahoo62278 and arallmuus for winning the Lottery!

Congrats to webtricks for winning the Small finale!

Congrats to arallmuus (again? how can you be so lucky?!) for taking the Silver prize in the Grand Finale!

Congrats to iv4n for winning the Series! (second time, man, wtf! )


Regarding the miscommunication, I can't read those posts closely, it hurts so much, because you guys, efialtis and FOMA, are equally great in my eyes. I mean, for me it's too much to bear, sorry.

I'm just going to follow iv4n regarding this matter.

I am at your disposal, whatever you decide to do I will follow!

Again, GG, everyone!

I hope to play with you again soon!

Cheers!

[efialtis]

So, one hour and ten minutes ago I received a PM from figmentofmyass kindly asking me to send him back the fees he overpaid (0.0028 BTC) so he can donate it to a future game our lovely Globb0 will be running.

I had (provably) already sent out the prizes when I read the pm, answered that I saw one of his posts (where he writes "think/hope" but he never concretely made that request (not in his posts, not via PM) and as a result, got another PM (in my opinion absolutely inadequate), stating I should at least apologize for having overlooked/ignored his request (there was no request whatsoever) and I should not get weird. Also, if someone wants his money back and says or suggests that, I shouldn't donate it to others but be reasonable and checking with them.

this is in poor taste. i told you i don't care about the money. i'm baffled why you took that as an invitation to start some petty public drama.

all i asked for was for you to acknowledge that maybe you made an oversight, because you told me you saw my posts about wanting the fees back and ignored them anyway. you could have just been like "sorry dude" (even if you didn't think you had any fault) and ended it there. it's not like i expected any money back at that point.

instead, you did this.

Do what you want but I am extremely pissed to be honest - and disappointed.

i have no idea wtf you are on about, why you ignored my PMs saying i don't care about or expect the money, and why you're now claiming i want to claw money back from the winners. that's insane, and it's sorta fucked up to suggest that's what i asked for.

what a ridiculous tantrum......

The only ridiculous person and behaviour in all this was/is you and I am asking you to watch your mouth and tone - I am not your friend, child, family or anything coming close to that. Show some respect - enough impoliteness.

[arallmuus]

I'll post it here, cos quads is something that always nice to see once more.

It was against me and I was hesitating to call his last bet. I had King of spade so I thought its either he had Ace of spade or some full house but Iv4n probably wouldnt play Q9 so I thought he must have pocket Q or either Ace of spade but the bet on the river was quite low if you compare it to the size of pot.

If he bet higher, I would have fold that hand so yeah he managed to lure me in with that small bet. This is the second time that I lose to Iv4n in showdown because he had Quads  

Congrats to arallmuus (again? how can you be so lucky?!) for taking the Silver prize in the Grand Finale!

I was probably lucky to win two all in flips with pocket pair against AK . I thought I was a goner when I saw AK after the shove . It was probably against seek3r and bitmutiny

I will send you the 0.0028 BTC, you and efialtis shake hands and we can move on

Please dont, you have done enough for us Tyk


Regarding this issue / dispute /miscommunication. Lets make this simple so we can all shake hands and move on. Im sure FOMA has no issue with the money but I sent him 2800 chips into his SWC account

it seems Both Iv4n and betwrong has agreed to send some back so how about if we three split it? The top 3 in Grand Finale received more than the others so yeah its kinda better this way and simpler

I'll cover 1400 chips on my own because I won both top 3 spot in Grand Finale and the lottery. So if Iv4n and Betwrong is cool with splitting the rest of the 1400 chips so 700 chips each then that would be great

Or we can make it 2000 + 400 + 400 . Whatever cools with you guys . Im fine with anything  

[jayce]

Pardon me, I just want to congratulate the winners. Congrats iv4n, arall, Betwrong, webtricks, Hhampuz, yahoo for the money prizes $$$. No matter what happens, all of you guys are my bros and I'll be more than happy to play again with you together.

I am rooting for you once again bro, go and win this one like real pro.

Thanks man for your support, much appreciated. Though I couldn't win it lol. Had turned my playing style into Webendo but iv4n ruined it Congrats for your winning anw

[Globb0]

wow wow don't fall out over me guys, I will make the endeavour happen and it is a separate thing we are discussing. I am very appreciating the support and passion of everybody.

SwC does seem most accessible, aside of the chat issues.

I have had a few little chats with the other guys who are running this type of game. Theirs are very full, if we keep it open to all we might be OK

I can see a kind of scenario where we cover the prize money or some kind of trade off arrangement by how many join.



Final best bit of news

We got to 49 follwers in the Chefcat stream later on yesterday. And this morning when I checked expecting to see 49 I see 53. Woo hoo.

We are now an affiliate status. Thanks so much to you all

Globb0

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[Betwrong]

~I'll cover 1400 chips on my own because I won both top 3 spot in Grand Finale and the lottery. So if Iv4n and Betwrong is cool with splitting the rest of the 1400 chips so 700 chips each then that would be great

Or we can make it 2000 + 400 + 400 . Whatever cools with you guys . Im fine with anything  

Yeah, I'm cool with that. We could discuss forever, why not splitting the amount equally among us three, but I decided to quickly accept your generosity , and I already sent 700 chips to your SwC account(pls confirm receiving it).

Let's put an end to all this negative stuff, and let's think about something positive. And you know what it is? It is that the money that you sent to FOMA will finally end up in the account of our favourite poker commentator, Globb0! and everyone will be happy about that.

[iv4n]

~I'll cover 1400 chips on my own because I won both top 3 spot in Grand Finale and the lottery. So if Iv4n and Betwrong is cool with splitting the rest of the 1400 chips so 700 chips each then that would be great

Or we can make it 2000 + 400 + 400 . Whatever cools with you guys . Im fine with anything  

Yeah, I'm cool with that. We could discuss forever, why not splitting the amount equally among us three, but I decided to quickly accept your generosity , and I already sent 700 chips to your SwC account(pls confirm receiving it).

Let's put an end to all this negative stuff, and let's think about something positive. And you know what it is? It is that the money that you sent to FOMA will finally end up in the account of our favourite poker commentator, Globb0! and everyone will be happy about that.

Arallmuus respect for fast decision and taking the half of the amount on you! I can only suggest one more thing, Betwrong and me to send an additional 700 chips to Globb0 for his game, in the end we will play that game and that will be for all of us. In that way we will have the same amount sent! Of course if Betwrong agrees, and Globb0 to tell us where to send chips, at SwC or some other place!

Edit: 700 chips sent to Globb0!

[Betwrong]

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Arallmuus respect for fast decision and taking the half of the amount on you! I can only suggest one more thing, Betwrong and me to send an additional 700 chips to Globb0 for his game, in the end we will play that game and that will be for all of us. In that way we will have the same amount sent! Of course if Betwrong agrees, and Globb0 to tell us where to send chips, at SwC or some other place!

Great suggestion, mate!

Thanks for saving me from further agonizing over "Was it okay that arallmuus paid 2 times more than the rest of us?".

[Globb0]

OK thanks guys.

I made a separate BTC address so its easier to follow  3A5a4tCdtgpdFXxTP2oFuHQKN3zqQLAowQ also via SwC is fine, hopefully the details are in the history tab for me to see but if not thanks very much to you.


Thanks for any donations to the cause I will make some further investigation tomorrow.


Globb0

[arallmuus]

Arallmuus respect for fast decision and taking the half of the amount on you! I can only suggest one more thing, Betwrong and me to send an additional 700 chips to Globb0 for his game, in the end we will play that game and that will be for all of us. In that way we will have the same amount sent! Of course if Betwrong agrees, and Globb0 to tell us where to send chips, at SwC or some other place!

I think its fine. I won two prizes so I think it is better for me to cover more than both of you guys. Btw you should have send it to me because I have sent it to FOMA yesterday  

FOMA messaged me back yesterday saying that he will return it to me but I insist that he keeps it and use it for some good cause like donating it to globb0 or something like that

We'll wait for his response about this, Cheers !

Thanks for saving me from further agonizing over "Was it okay that arallmuus paid 2 times more than the rest of us?".

Its fine, Im going to get it back soon on the poker table  

Confirmed I received 700 chips from you Betwrong

[iv4n]

Don't wish to complain or anything, but I should have a ticket for BIG BTC by now, but I still don't see anything on my account! Is there any problem with that? And should I ask for hats or not? I didn't get the first one, so I wonder is there a point to ask for a second one? It's not like I need that ticket and hats, I am just asking! Should I contact SwC about this matter?

[efialtis]

Don't wish to complain or anything, but I should have a ticket for BIG BTC by now, but I still don't see anything on my account! Is there any problem with that? And should I ask for hats or not? I didn't get the first one, so I wonder is there a point to ask for a second one? It's not like I need that ticket and hats, I am just asking! Should I contact SwC about this matter?

I will get in touch with them right away mate!

[Betwrong]

The question that is on everyone's mind, I'm sure, is, are we going to have another Bitcointalk Poker Series any time soon?

I just went over the Tournaments schedule on SwCPoker, and it looked like there was no tournament scheduled for us on November 1:



But here's and idea: if we are not playing this Sunday in our series, how about meeting, all of us, in one of those tournaments? I would personally prefer something with a small buy-in, like Little BTC Satellite [1 Seat GTD], just for fun.

What about you, guys?

[Globb0]

The little BTC or the Sunday warm up will have actual prizes, the one you mentioned I think is only for a ticket.

Anyway I had this thought also and we definitely could hook up.

I don't have unlimited funds unfortunately, so I myself may be forced to the rail at some point.

[seek3r]

The little BTC or the Sunday warm up will have actual prizes, the one you mentioned I think is only for a ticket.

Anyway I had this thought also and we definitely could hook up.

I don't have unlimited funds unfortunately, so I myself may be forced to the rail at some point.

Yeah, you are right. What Betwrong suggested is the satellite for the little BTC. The prize there is a "only" a ticket or two.. depends how many players participate in that event. Atleast 1 ticket is guaranteed.