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August 27, 2020, 06:16:42 PM
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World Going to socialist regime
So 50% will provide services and production for other 50%

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August 27, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
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Socialism is not a 50% split between producers and consumers, it rather advocates for a social structure built on mutual benefits, everyone produces for the society collectively. Socialism is sort of a transition between capitalism; which leans towards a free market with minimal government intervention and communism; which eliminates social classes with resources distributed based on necessity and production based on ability.
Socialism has a bit of both, government regulates the market and social classes exists, both are to a certain extent.

Do you have any reason to say the world is moving towards socialism? Many countries are a blend of different theories, each existing in isolated sectors. There may be more government intervention now due to the current economic crisis, but this is typical of a recession, the market would likely balance out during the economic recovery.

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I would definitely not want the government to have full control over the economic market of my country, corruption and nepotism are negative factors that would limit the citizens.

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August 27, 2020, 07:14:14 PM
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World Going to socialist regime
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Socialist? I don't know about that. Corporatist, maybe.

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cor·po·rat·ist
relating to or characterized by advocacy for the control of a state or organization by large interest groups.

Not sure about other countries, but what you're saying definitely doesn't apply to the US. The Fed monetary injections were the ultimate gift to capital, keeping huge numbers of would-be bankrupt companies alive by buying up the corporate bond market. They are keeping large corporations solvent and their executives pocketing millions under some trickle-down economics theory.......socialist? I think not. The corona virus bailout loan program also showered wealthy corporations and institutions with money. If you look into the fine print, the laws have been riddled with loopholes that allowed corporate America to ransack the funds. The Fed has also been quietly buying massive amounts of mortgage-backed securities, bailing out mortgage banks on the back end as Congress bails out homeowners on the front end. No financial relief for renters, meanwhile. The less fortunate ones will be in debt up to their eyeballs, and mass evictions will come once the moratoriums are lifted.

Is that what socialism looks like?

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August 27, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
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Socialism might be a major feature of a prosperous future enriched by high technology and artificial intelligence. If the system can afford a basic income for all citizens, then we can consider it much more socialist than it is today. But, the future will most likely continue to be a mixture of capitalist and socialist systems as it is today.

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August 28, 2020, 01:41:52 AM
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I think socialism can make our lives better, where everyone helps each other for a better life. This can be a solution when life starts to deteriorate, such as during the current pandemic. by helping each other in the life between communities and with the government's attention, hopefully it can be better.
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August 28, 2020, 02:13:13 AM
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I honestly don't understand your whole point.

Anyway, one of the basic principles of socialism is that the means of production is owned by the state. From this alone, I cannot imagine our present world going to that direction.

From where I am speaking, I am seeing more and more privatizations happening everyday. Even the most basic social services involving the most basic of needs such as water, education, health care, and so on are now passed to the hands of private companies.

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August 28, 2020, 04:38:01 AM
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I think socialism can make our lives better, where everyone helps each other for a better life.
It might sound sweet and warm if you help like one or two people for a short period. The problem is you cannot support lots of people, and when lots of people don't want to help themselves, they will rely on your support forever. In the end, your life will be dragged down to their level.
Should help each other be voluntary or forced?

Besides, socialism also relies on the community (i.e., the government) decision, which is why socialist countries tend to have authoritarian regimes.

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August 28, 2020, 04:48:54 AM
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World Going to socialist regime
So 50% will provide services and production for other 50%

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Socialism is also quite similar to capitalism, but the only difference is that the government has more power. In socialism, the government has the power to coordinate the domestic market and economy, which means they will adjust for us to have the best and fairest developing country possible. It's not the 50/50 split you say, it's just the people working with the government to solve the problems together.
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August 28, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
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Well, let's take apart the parts you wrote.
1) are you Willing to pay so MUCH taxes that would have been socialism?
2) do you Understand that any socialism is totally pandering to all sorts of social parasites who want nothing in life dentate and believe that they all should go for nothing?
3) do you Understand that such is the vaunted socialism creates even wider gap between public authorities and citizens?
4) do you understand in the end that it is impossible to build such a balance (as you have written) 50/50?
No one wants to live under socialism / communism because the memory of the 20th century is still alive and everyone remembers perfectly about Germany and the wall in the middle of Berlin through which thousands of people fled.
Other remarkable socialist experiments are also remembered.
The left-wing order has quite successfully shown its unfitness for life - but no, let's try again. Everything is OK?
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August 28, 2020, 02:48:00 PM
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Socialist life may be a new plan to improve people's AI and protect them from the exploitation of capitalist society. Socialism is that the first stage of communist society. Socialism overthrows personal property and eliminates exploitation depression and unemployment among the people, leaving open the desert for the planned development of the productive forces and therefore the full development of the relations of production. The aim of social production during the amount of socialism was to extend the prosperity of the people and to cause the general development of each member of the society.
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August 28, 2020, 03:34:48 PM
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World Going to socialist regime
So 50% will provide services and production for other 50%

You have strange definition. In capitalism few %  holds most capital and 90%+ provide services to that capital.  In socialism work is the center and you are paid for your work not for you capital. If you dont work you get nothing. In capitalism if you have capital and dont work you get a lot.
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August 28, 2020, 03:48:43 PM
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I honestly don't understand your whole point.

Anyway, one of the basic principles of socialism is that the means of production is owned by the state. From this alone, I cannot imagine our present world going to that direction.

From where I am speaking, I am seeing more and more privatizations happening everyday. Even the most basic social services involving the most basic of needs such as water, education, health care, and so on are now passed to the hands of private companies.
I don't see it either and when we take into account that in the majority of the countries in which we see the governments controlling the means of production we see that they are incredibly inefficient in doing so, the latest example of this is Venezuela and just look at their economy, while there are some key sectors that should remain in control of the government the truth is that it is better to let the free market to decide which company thrives and which doesn't since only the one that is the most efficient should survive.

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August 28, 2020, 05:09:51 PM
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Most of the world remains as capitalists due to the fact that the governments are proposing bailout programs and cash aid to those large corporations while leaving the small to medium enterprises on their own. This isn't socialism since not all the members of society are receiving the same amount of benefits compared to those who are really funding money for the gears to work, even though both of them are doing something for the society. We will never reach such a state given how we are obsessed with having more money than we could ever need in our lifetimes, and our governments are also making those dreams happen to a few chosen elites while leaving the rest of the herd trying to make ends meet.
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The history of human civilization, using the example of the twentieth century, has clearly demonstrated to us the fallacy of the principles of democratic centralism as the basis for building a socialist society. Socialism in almost all countries ended with a personality cult and dictatorship. In theory, everything was fine, the slogans were about humanism, human values, but in practice, it was in the socialist countries that the people were massively destroyed in the name of the same people. Now we see similar events in Belarus. In this country, where socialist relations are still almost intact, the dictator Lukashenka has again been in power for 26 years in a row, who agrees to kill his people in the streets and call on foreign troops, if only to stay in power at any cost.
Therefore, it is better for us to build an ordinary humane society out of a system of checks and balances of power without any political superstructures.

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August 29, 2020, 04:53:56 AM
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Socialism is just sweet words, but is basically just an imaginary, or can even be called a figment of imagination at this point, mainly due to how the characteristics of human beings are. Past history has proven this, and I doubt anyone would be willing to try it again at the expense of wasted resources as well as time, that in the end wouldn't really end up to anything good. Plus, a world where everything is equal, a balance of 50/50 is just a world where basically everyone scorns, steals, and lies to each other imo.

It's not the 50/50 split you say, it's just the people working with the government to solve the problems together.
The world would probably sooner end than the Government to start helping people because they want to help, they want to solve the problem, compared to generating profit for their own pockets.

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August 29, 2020, 05:06:46 AM
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I think socialism can make our lives better, where everyone helps each other for a better life. This can be a solution when life starts to deteriorate, such as during the current pandemic. by helping each other in the life between communities and with the government's attention, hopefully it can be better.


of course if helping each other creates a harmonious atmosphere, the problem is that some people who are accustomed to being helped think that they can regret their problems by asking others for help, so are more like beggars.
so nothing will be truly beautiful in a long time despite its good intentions.

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August 29, 2020, 07:30:05 AM
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Well, let's take apart the parts you wrote.
1) are you Willing to pay so MUCH taxes that would have been socialism?
2) do you Understand that any socialism is totally pandering to all sorts of social parasites who want nothing in life dentate and believe that they all should go for nothing?
3) do you Understand that such is the vaunted socialism creates even wider gap between public authorities and citizens?
4) do you understand in the end that it is impossible to build such a balance (as you have written) 50/50?
No one wants to live under socialism / communism because the memory of the 20th century is still alive and everyone remembers perfectly about Germany and the wall in the middle of Berlin through which thousands of people fled.
Other remarkable socialist experiments are also remembered.
The left-wing order has quite successfully shown its unfitness for life - but no, let's try again. Everything is OK?
Well, let's figure out what you wrote here.
1. SO much is how much? It's hard to believe in this (propaganda, I understand), but under socialism, tax oppression was hardly noticeable. In addition, with all this, medicine of any complexity became absolutely free, as did education (even higher education, yeah).
2. Nonsense. Socialism is a regime that does not accept parasites, because they interfere with the functioning of it.
3. Social lift. I suggest to google what this concept means. The gap cannot be large, because people are in power and there are people from the people.
4. As for the balance, it is definitely impossible to achieve it. I agree 100%

An experiment of the 20th century? Do you know exactly what you are talking about? Was the Neolithic an experiment too? Slave system, feudalism, capitalism? Do you think this is an experiment too? These are the stages through which mankind passed in a natural way, due to the fact that the economic basis came into conflict with the superstructure. They stopped working together.

Any power is a dictatorship (the ability to impose its own political line) of the ruling class.

Capitalism is the dictatorship of a modest number of people who own immodest capital.

Socialism is the dictatorship of the working class, for it is the absolute majority of the population.

And now I'll blow everyone's brain. Look: demos (Greek) - people, kratos (Greek) - power. Suddenly, we get that the real democracy is socialism.
After all, this will be a regime in which the people have real power (and not the opportunity to put a cross in the ballot and change one talking head to another as president)

I do not impose anything on anyone. Love what you like (especially if it's legal). But let's still respect history and get to know it a little before making loud statements.
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August 29, 2020, 07:54:13 AM
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Most of the world remains as capitalists due to the fact that the governments are proposing bailout programs and cash aid to those large corporations while leaving the small to medium enterprises on their own....

The world remains as capitalists because capital makes workers more productive. A single worker with a backhoe is more productive than 20 workers with shovels. It is as simple as that.

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August 29, 2020, 08:20:41 AM
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Socialism lost then and has proven to be a dysfunctional system, so I think that's a utopia. It will not work. It could if the whole world would accept it, but not if there is a comparison to others

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August 29, 2020, 10:08:04 AM
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Can you explain why you think that the world is going towards socialism? It's a big statement and it's rather not self-evident, there's not much countries in this world that are officially socialist, and even less that are actually socialist. And even the word "socialism" starts to mean different things, from marxism to welfare state.

I personally don't see how this can be true, maybe leftist ideas become more popular in the US, but in the rest of the world nothing much changed in the last years. Socialism has been on decline globally since the fall of the Soviet Union.

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