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August 30, 2020, 09:10:38 PM
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And why does it matter? I can easily send one satoshi to somebody with Bitcoin wallet. Gold atom can't be sent or received

And the other way round. I can hold a piece of gold in my hand but I can't hold Bitcoin. I can kill someone with a gold bar but I can't do it with Bitcoin. I can make jewelry from gold but I can't show off wearing Bitcoin (unless you count Bitcoin merchandise). There's no point in starting this discussion. It's like saying that strawberries are better than apples because they have more seeds.

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August 30, 2020, 09:44:11 PM
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[It's like saying that strawberries are better than apples because they have more seeds.

I didn't say that one was better than the other. I was just comparing the smallest amount of each.

{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 30, 2020, 10:30:47 PM
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[It's like saying that strawberries are better than apples because they have more seeds.

I didn't say that one was better than the other. I was just comparing the smallest amount of each.

For what purposes?
Comparison usually falls to pick which one is better than the other. Though your comparison is quite interesting, rather a fun fact that could be presented in a YouTube video. But, it's lacking some purpose.
Gold and Bitcoin is two different asset, one is digital and the other is physical. IMO their smallest unit doesn't matter in a transaction, just like fiat currency, what can you do with a one cent?
Nevertheless, this is quite interesting and educational stuff if the numbers you represent in the OP is correct.

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August 31, 2020, 02:18:43 AM
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Huh My head about to explode about the atoms.
 
 I just know, gold and bitcoins. No need to make it so complicated. They have different use and purpose in the first place. And everyone here has it's own choice of pick from that two. As long as it does give good returns and benefits to all, whether atoms by gold or sats by bitcoin, both are worth to invest. Period.
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August 31, 2020, 02:31:10 AM
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And why does it matter? I can easily send one satoshi to somebody with Bitcoin wallet. Gold atom can't be sent or received

And the other way round. I can hold a piece of gold in my hand but I can't hold Bitcoin. I can kill someone with a gold bar but I can't do it with Bitcoin. I can make jewelry from gold but I can't show off wearing Bitcoin (unless you count Bitcoin merchandise). There's no point in starting this discussion. It's like saying that strawberries are better than apples because they have more seeds.


Gold sucks if you need to flee you can not carry enough of it.

And I can move 1 billion plus dollars anywhere in the world for under 1 dollar and in under 1 hour.

BOTH SAFELY AND ANONYMOUSLY. As long as it stays in btc

Try moving 1 billion in gold bro. For under 1 dollar and in under 1 hour.





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August 31, 2020, 05:30:51 PM
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you can't feasibly transact physically in atoms of gold because gold can't be physically divided to that level.

Not true. There are already tools to manipulate physical matter at nanoscale level.
See this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms)

{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 31, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
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you can't feasibly transact physically in atoms of gold because gold can't be physically divided to that level.

Not true. There are already tools to manipulate physical matter at nanoscale level.
See this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms)

Okay, hooray for science.  But the point is, the average person can't do it.  And you certainly can't spend them even if you could.  There is no practical everyday application for measuring anything in atoms. 

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August 31, 2020, 07:17:47 PM
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And why does it matter? I can easily send one satoshi to somebody with Bitcoin wallet. Gold atom can't be sent or received

And the other way round. I can hold a piece of gold in my hand but I can't hold Bitcoin. I can kill someone with a gold bar but I can't do it with Bitcoin. I can make jewelry from gold but I can't show off wearing Bitcoin (unless you count Bitcoin merchandise). There's no point in starting this discussion. It's like saying that strawberries are better than apples because they have more seeds.


Gold sucks if you need to flee you can not carry enough of it.

And I can move 1 billion plus dollars anywhere in the world for under 1 dollar and in under 1 hour.
And gold probably needs a shipment carrier so it can be transferred anywhere else, and plus the truck that you need for land transport. My point is that bitcoin is better than gold when need to move from places.

BOTH SAFELY AND ANONYMOUSLY. As long as it stays in btc

Try moving 1 billion in gold bro. For under 1 dollar and in under 1 hour.
I love your sarcasm lmao, you'd be probably needing atleast a million if you want to transport gold from place A to place B I mean who wants to pay that transport fee? haha
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And...?

Atoms aren't spendable units last time I checked.  What's the relevance of this comparison?  Surely it would make more sense to compare troy ounces instead of atoms.

^ Thank you for saying what I was thinking while reading this whole thing.

People really need to move off the whole gold vs bitcoin / gold or bitcoin argument and or discussion.  These are two completely different things that happen so share a few similar qualities.  Gold is a physical meta, that has uses that go far beyond a digital currency.  Bitcoin is a digital currency that have uses that go far beyond Gold.  The two are nice part of anyone's diversified portfolio and do not need to be compares to one another.  My take as an investment advisor is to own both assets. That is as long as you've built a healthy portfolio already.

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September 01, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
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What a joke! Imagine walking into a shop and offering 200 atoms of Gold as a payment method!  Grin Grin Grin Grin   or telling someone that you would give him 3000 atoms of Gold in return for 5000 atoms of Silver on a microscopic level.  Grin Grin Grin

I wagered 10 Satoshi on a bet on Stake.com original Slots yesterday and I won 400x and was rewarded with 4000 Satoshi in return. So you can actually do something with a Satoshi, but you can do sweet blow f#$%all with 10 atoms of Gold. (Spliting the atoms to get the 10 atoms of Gold will cost you a fortune)

Nope, try a more logical comparison, if you want to hype Gold as a more useful investment/payment method.  Wink

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you can't feasibly transact physically in atoms of gold because gold can't be physically divided to that level.
Not true. There are already tools to manipulate physical matter at nanoscale level.
See this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms)

let's use the old "cup of coffee" example bitcoiners are so fond of.

walk me through it. let's say the price of gold has skyrocketed so that consumer goods can now be priced in atoms of gold. i walk into a coffee shop. how do i pay the cashier for a cup of coffee in atoms of gold? how do they verify the gold is genuine, and how many atoms i've paid? how to they take physical receipt?

with bitcoin, this problem can be solved relatively easily. you could transact in sub-satoshi units on another compatible protocol like LN. another way is to fork the bitcoin protocol to allow for greater divisibility past the satoshi unit. either way, free software can be used to quickly verify that a payment is genuine, and when settlement has taken place. how much would it cost for merchants to buy and maintain tools capable of physically verifying and receiving gold at the atomic level?

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Maybe OP is unaware, but atoms can be split too, in electrons and neutrons. Which, obviously, are more than the atoms. Why didn't he think that gold electrons are way more than satoshis even compared to atoms versus satoshis Huh

It' crystal clear that anyone can go to a shop and buy goods with gold atoms. Right? 😅 Then the same is true about gold electrons -- which are also available in a bigger number. If he compares smallest units, at least he should do it right. Lol.

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September 01, 2020, 07:32:41 PM
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So is gold similar to XRP lol?
I seriously hold that 1 satoshi value grows to be more than 1 gram of gold.
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September 01, 2020, 08:02:33 PM
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you can't feasibly transact physically in atoms of gold because gold can't be physically divided to that level.

Not true. There are already tools to manipulate physical matter at nanoscale level.
See this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms)


I was buying physical gold on auction sites. I managed to buy some cutlery and some coins. Do you know what I found out? It is immensely difficult to know if I did a good deal.

For an ordinary person like me, it is very difficult to prove the quality and veracity of gold. It is obvious that there are several methods, but they all involve some work. So having physical gold to transact means a difficulty when making small transactions.

This is historic. There are several companies that attest to the veracity of gold. But you still need to trust them. It's all very complicated.

So whether it is possible or not makes little difference. What drives gold markets today are virtual transactions. Certificates issued by banks. And in that the Bitcoin decentralization and its verification process is unbeatable.

You can prove that you have the ability to move something unique and that no one else has power over it.
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