idiot police - jacob blake shooting

[franky1]

maybe i do use the word idiot alot in this category. but there are just soo many idiots in this category. so it just becomes easy to point them out

if people were not an idiot they would not be called one

maybe people thinking they are being personally attacked by the word idiot. they should spend a few minutes looking at their opinion and working out is their opinion logical, practical, moral, ethical.. just common sense

if not then maybe the fault is the idiotic opinion. and not the person calling it idiotic

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[Salauddin1994]

You're right, it isn't right to call someone a fool but the Americans thought the police were doing something bad. Police shots are now within the hospital. He had to undergo surgery to get rid of the bullet from his body police fired from behind hitting Blake within the spine. The spine becomes fragmented so even after the surgery this young man from Kenosha cannot stand together with his spine straight. consistent with his lawyer albeit junior Jacob Blake can walk after this nothing are often said but a miracle. Blake Jr. because his father's name is additionally Jacob Blake.

[Cnut237]

Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society).

There is no evidence to support this statement.

Yes, there is. Of course the dataset is limited because this is just shootings, and doesn't include instances of police murdering people through choking or neck-kneeling. Unless you are arguing that the police may have a problem with racism, but wider society doesn't? In which case I'd just direct you to the nearest 'all lives matter' person.

But the situation is improving, because finally this is being acknowledged and a lot of people are appropriately outraged. We have progressed a long way beyond the 50s/60s Rosa Parks era, with the US even electing a black president. And we will eventually get to the point where people are treated equally irrespective of colour, but it remains a long journey. The US is a global leader in many things, and if this is handled correctly, they can provide a good example for other countries (my own included) to follow.

[suchmoon]

they should spend a few minutes looking at their opinion and working out is their opinion logical, practical, moral, ethical.. just common sense

if not then maybe the fault is the idiotic opinion. and not the person calling it idiotic

You're calling the whole country idiots because you don't like the opinions of some people (whom you assume to be from that country) on this forum. I don't know how you imagine that helping whatever point you're trying to make. It's more of an indictment of your inability to form a coherent argument.

[franky1]

so when people avoid discussing big issues and pretend that cops shooting unarmed people is not worth talking about. but instead saying that calling someone an idiot is a bigger crime....
sorry. you got your moral compass on backwards

.. whats next
someone kills your wife. no problem. but he done it without taking his shoes off at the door to stop trecking mud on the carpet.. only in america

[xxjumperxx]

so when people avoid discussion big issues and pretend that cops shooting unarmed people is not worth talking about. but instead saying that caling someone an idiot is a bigger crime....
sorry. you got your moral compass on backwards

.. whats next
someone kills your wife. no problem. but he done it without taking his shoes off at the door to stop trecking mud on the carpet.. only in america

So if that person comes in your house armed with a knife and comes attacking you and your wife? Are you going to beg him to drop his knife and leave your house? Not do anything to him to protect you and your wife if you had a gun in your hand?
Or not shoot him because he is black?

Come on man, use your brain and stop making everything about race.

[squatz1]

they should spend a few minutes looking at their opinion and working out is their opinion logical, practical, moral, ethical.. just common sense

if not then maybe the fault is the idiotic opinion. and not the person calling it idiotic

You're calling the whole country idiots because you don't like the opinions of some people (whom you assume to be from that country) on this forum. I don't know how you imagine that helping whatever point you're trying to make. It's more of an indictment of your inability to form a coherent argument.

+1 to that.

Unsure why we've devolved into personal attacks on here. My whole point before was me saying that I think that the officers are going to get off (when this is brought to court, and if) based on the circumstanced surrounding the shooting.

He had a knife in his possession and he was going inside a vehicle with children -- wouldn't that warrant him going into a situation where he can harm others? This is why the police took him down. As I said before, people don't shoot to wound -- they shoot to kill.

[suchmoon]

so when people avoid discussion big issues and pretend that cops shooting unarmed people is not worth talking about. but instead saying that caling someone an idiot is a bigger crime....
sorry. you got your moral compass on backwards

.. whats next
someone kills your wife. no problem. but he done it without taking his shoes off at the door to stop trecking mud on the carpet.. only in america

Bigger crime? No. Just a fallacy-ridden rant.

If someone kills my wife it would still be fallacious for to you show up here calling the whole country idiots because of that.

[franky1]

so when people avoid discussion big issues and pretend that cops shooting unarmed people is not worth talking about. but instead saying that caling someone an idiot is a bigger crime....
sorry. you got your moral compass on backwards

.. whats next
someone kills your wife. no problem. but he done it without taking his shoes off at the door to stop trecking mud on the carpet.. only in america

So if that person comes in your house armed with a knife and comes attacking you and your wife? Are you going to beg him to drop his knife and leave your house? Not do anything to him to protect you and your wife if you had a gun in your hand?
Or not shoot him because he is black?

Come on man, use your brain and stop making everything about race.

when a guy comes in my house and says 'i might have a knife in my car but nothing on me'  id tell him to 'fuck off' out my house
when someone comes in my house with a loaded gun after killing 2 neighbours im not gonna give him a bottle of water and pat him on the back and tell him good job

your trying too hard to make an unwanted guest minor crime sound like a deadly threat major crime. while also trying to make a deadly rime sound minor

come on, use your brain stick to the actual events and stop going to fantasy land thinking a guy with an illegal firearm is ok to walk the streets and killing people. while another guy without a knife needs to be stopped

adding to this event. the main sherrif of the city has made past speaches of how he doesnt want blacks having kid or living in certain suberbs
so if you think its not racial. you are in fantasy land

[franky1]

He had a knife in his possession and he was going inside a vehicle with children -- wouldn't that warrant him going into a situation where he can harm others? This is why the police took him down. As I said before, people don't shoot to wound -- they shoot to kill.

he had no knife on him
the police presume he had a knife in the car and thats their excuse to shoot him because they thought he was going to reach for one

[xxjumperxx]

He had a knife in his possession and he was going inside a vehicle with children -- wouldn't that warrant him going into a situation where he can harm others? This is why the police took him down. As I said before, people don't shoot to wound -- they shoot to kill.

he had no knife on him
the police presume he had a knife in the car and thats their excuse to shoot him because they thought he was going to reach for one

Youre sure trying very hard to make him look innocent.
We know you hate America and Police. Move on.

[franky1]

im a white guy. and even i can see the double standards

a white guy telling the cops he might have a gun in his car... pfft. a pat on the back for being an american
a white guy having a gun on him and telling the cops he shot somone.. pfft. bottle of water and pat on the back
a black guy telling the cops he might have a knife in the car... shot 7 times whilst unarmed

cops could have stayed at a 21foot distance and have no harm/threat to them
its known as the tueller drill.. should be part of standard police training

seems your trying too hard to ignore the evidence, the videos, the actual events
should i get you a bottle of water for being 'patriotically' ignorant

how about discuss the actual events and not cry about my insults

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well some are not talking about the mentality of police. or even jacob blake they are talking about me
which is funny how they avoid talking about police mentality or jacob blake events

even funnier how i said this a few times and still new posts are made about me.
i dont mind you making comments about me. as long as you include context of the topic
such as the police actions in the jacob blake events
like in other topics i call badecker an idiot but i also include the corrections and details of the topic
to inform others about the topic and why people like badecker are idiots

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so back on topic. if cops are not using the tueller drill to stand at a distance. or not only going closer to tackle/apprehend.. then they need retraining
https://www.youtube.com/embed/sv0iN5J-9mk?start=610&end=648
emphasis is on the suspect actually having a weapon on them
emphasis again only if the suspect has a weapon on them is it self defense

[suchmoon]

how about discuss the actual events and not cry about my insults

You set the topic of the thread yourself. If you make it about "idiot police" and "dumb Americans" then that's what's going to be discussed.

[squatz1]

He had a knife in his possession and he was going inside a vehicle with children -- wouldn't that warrant him going into a situation where he can harm others? This is why the police took him down. As I said before, people don't shoot to wound -- they shoot to kill.

he had no knife on him
the police presume he had a knife in the car and thats their excuse to shoot him because they thought he was going to reach for one

Police claim the following:

A black man shot seven times in the back by US police had a knife and fought with officers beforehand, putting one in a headlock and shrugging off two Taser attempts, it is claimed.

https://news.sky.com/story/jacob-blake-had-knife-and-put-officer-in-headlock-before-shooting-claims-police-union-12059179 - For the same source but linked again.

He has been said to have brandished a knife, and officers can be heard telling him to drop the knife. Is that something that you're trying to dispute?

[suchmoon]

He has been said to have brandished a knife, and officers can be heard telling him to drop the knife. Is that something that you're trying to dispute?

I'd wait for a more thorough investigation on that part. There are conflicting reports whether he had a knife on him or had a knife in his car. I don't think a knife is visible in the video - both his hands seem to be empty - but it's too blurry to say for sure.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-investigators-police-offer-starkly-views-jacob-blake/story?id=72675684

[squatz1]

He has been said to have brandished a knife, and officers can be heard telling him to drop the knife. Is that something that you're trying to dispute?

I'd wait for a more thorough investigation on that part. There are conflicting reports whether he had a knife on him or had a knife in his car. I don't think a knife is visible in the video - both his hands seem to be empty - but it's too blurry to say for sure.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-investigators-police-offer-starkly-views-jacob-blake/story?id=72675684

You're right probably best to lay off on that for now.

Seems like the police union and the officers on scene are saying that a knife was found, which would justify the force. While family lawyers (the Blake family) are disputing that and saying that it isn't true. In the video you can see something shiny in Blakes hand, though that has the chance of being car keys or a knife. So we'll have to wait a bit on that.

Even after an investigation though, I'm assuming that people aren't going to trust it on both sides. We're expecting LEO's to say that he had a knife though, and that would make this shooting make a bit more sense. If no knife, I don't see a reason for this.

[PrimeNumber7]

Rather it's about racism being endemic in the US police force (and to an extent this being symptomatic of racism within elements of the wider society).

There is no evidence to support this statement.

Yes, there is. Of course the dataset is limited because this is just shootings, and doesn't include instances of police murdering people through choking or neck-kneeling.

There is no reason to measure lethal police shootings by population because different races interact with the police at different rates because  they commit crimes at different rates.

As a rate of /per police interaction, black people are less likely to be killed by the police than white people. There are over 300 million police interactions with citizens every year, and of those 300 million interactions, there are less than 10 unarmed black people killed by police each year.

In the 3 months of BLM/anifta riots in the US, many more black people have been killed by the BLM terrorists than unarmed black people will be by police in a year. This is only counting in the riots. If a black person is going to be killed by another person (justified or not), they are over 250 times more likely to be killed by another black person (who is not the police), than being unarmed and by the police.

If you are referring to Floyd, the medical examiner said in his report that if he had not been influenced by the video of Floyd's last minutes, he would have said that Floyd died from a drug overdose. Floyd's lungs were twice as heavy as what was to be expected; this explains why Floyd was saying that he couldn't breathe before he was put into the police car and while he was still standing on his feet.