How it's possible to create a post in between only 40 seconds

[sujonali1819]

First of all, I will request mods to move this thread to the correct section if Meta is not suitable.

What title says, How a user can write 423 characters post in only 40 seconds? Anything suspicious behind this?

User bitcoinst is enrolling a signature campaign managing by me. Today when I counted the post I see this user posted some posts in the very lower intervals and it's even around 40 seconds( it's actually called post bursting) . See some posting history of this user, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=555953;sa=showPosts archived

See some screenshots





Generally when we make a post first read all things, then think for some time and try to make a post. But I was amazed when I see this user can read+think+write too fast. Or there something suspicious behind this? For example, post are made by another people and this guy just copy and paste in the appropriate topic? Or hired someone to make post for the signature payments?

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[hd49728]

It is burst posting and not a new thing on the forum. It can be done by speedy typer. actmyname tested it and he can type 59 posts per hour. It is shocking that his posts are more contentful than shitposters' shit posts.

Accept such posts depend on your campaign rules.

[EXPERIMENT] Testing the Limits of Shitposting

[jackg]

It looked like it was only 2 posts at once, I'd say anything below 5 might mean he just has separate tabs open.

Sometimes if you're switching between tasks you might have a few forums open at once so it's not nonsensical to wait for the point you can post it or to wait for a time when you're online if you are here as a guest. I don't do this and I've don't the 2 posts at once thing on occasion but it's normally pushing out an edit and clarifying it at the same time.

You're going to have to go off your own judgement with this one.

[sujonali1819]

It looked like it was only 2 posts at once, I'd say anything below 5 might mean he just has separate tabs open.

Yeah, it might be the user opened some tabs in one time and posted both at once. This could be a once cause. But there is very chance to abuse the campaign also(what I mentioned), I will wait some more time to see others Opinions.

Accept such posts depend on your campaign rules.

yeh, already warned him to change the posting behavior.

[actmyname]

Doesn't really matter whether it's burst posting or not. Either way, the content is absolute trash. What does it bring to the already-useless thread?

I recognized the name... looks like there are still some more posts to clean up as it stands.As far as I'm concerned, if you as a user jumped an extra 51 deleted posts due to one person reporting consecutive replies on your post history, then you're a spammer.

actmyname tested it and he can type 59 posts per hour. It is shocking that his posts are more contentful than shitposters' shit posts.

The most shocking part to me, though, is the extent of how easy it is to just "float" the rules for substantial posts. The problem to me is never the shitposters - the problem is the edge-posters, the ones that barely toss in enough substance for the post to not be reported & deleted, but not enough substance for anything to be gleaned from the reply. When you see people pad out their posts with generic replies or use the same keyword five times in their post (e.g. bitcoin, DeFi) these are the people I'm talking about.

[LTU_btc]

I'm not defending user described in OP, but I think it's possible. In past I used to open several topics in multiple tabs, make a post in every of these topics and click to publish every of it almost at same time. Probably it still counts as burst posting. Though, I don't it's problem if it's quality posts. But probably it's not same case described above...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Doesn't really matter whether it's burst posting or not. Either way, the content is absolute trash.

It would matter if there's a rule in the campaign against post bursting, even though that term is usually not well defined.

That member's posts weren't exactly deep and thoughtful, and if he had the ability to type very fast (which is entirely possible), he could just write thoughts that come into his head in a rapid-fire manner.  So yeah, I do think it's quite possible that shitposts like those examples could be written with only a 40 second interval in between.  The only thing I'm wondering is whether he had the threads he was going to post in picked out ahead of time or not, because even though I can type pretty fast I still am fairly choosy about what threads I post in--and I try to make well thought out posts with some effort put into them.  I don't think I'd be able to post-burst like that guy without writing total garbage.

He might also have written some replies into a Word document or something, with the intention of posting them later.  I've actually done that before when my internet has gone down but I have a cache of bitcointalk threads that I can still read.  That's an outside possibility, but who knows?

[actmyname]

It would matter if there's a rule in the campaign against post bursting, even though that term is usually not well defined.

Post bursting falls under the subset of spam. Given that the posts themselves were already worthy of being deemed that, it seems redundant to further sub-categorize.

That member's posts weren't exactly deep and thoughtful, and if he had the ability to type very fast (which is entirely possible), he could just write thoughts that come into his head in a rapid-fire manner.

We'll see if the posts are deleted or not. Preventing edge-posting from clogging up threads (that's how we got those spam megathreads) means that discussion will actually be streamlined, rather than circular and congested.

[SFR10]

Or there something suspicious behind this? For example, post are made by another people and this guy just copy and paste in the appropriate topic?

Close enough. I did some digging ^{[only the last few posts]} and found out ^{[thanks to few users that quoted his/her initial post]} he/she copy/pasted one of his/her older posts in the exact same thread:

• Original post was on Aug, 4 ^{[already deleted]
  "View all unedited (or deleted) posts"}
• Second post ^{[copied one]} was posted on Aug, 30

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In addition, these numbers do not seem to me too high, less than 5% of BTC are conditionally illegal, and the fact that this can be tracked is certainly much greater advantage than the fact that they are "problematic".

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And for fiat currency, such figures would not be comparable.
In addition, these numbers do not seem to me too high, less than 5% of BTC are conditionally illegal, and the fact that this can be tracked is certainly much greater advantage than the fact that they are "problematic".

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And for fiat currency, such figures would not be comparable.
In addition, these numbers do not seem to me too high, less than 5% of BTC are conditionally illegal, and the fact that this can be tracked is certainly much greater advantage than the fact that they are "problematic".

Another Copied post:
^{- The gap isn't that much either and on top of that, the second one is posted right below his/her first post with some additions...}

What a nonsense. Why is it about Bitcoin addiction while the reason is trading. At the same time, the very reason for the dependence has nothing to do with trading, and even more so with bitcoin on a straight line.
This is a very strange undertaking. But then what about people who trade altcoins or classic assets, it turns out that they are not dependent? Nonsense.

What a nonsense. Why is it about Bitcoin addiction while the reason is trading. At the same time, the very reason for the dependence has nothing to do with trading, and even more so with bitcoin on a straight line.
This is a very strange undertaking. But then what about people who trade altcoins or classic assets, it turns out that they are not dependent?

I see cryptocurrency trading as a way for people to escape from themselves, into another world, because they don't like the world they're in.

Nonsense. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bitcoin-addiction-rehab-cryptocurrency-trading-castle-craig-hospital-a8373801.html

I'm sure I'll be able to find more if I dig deeper

[Little Mouse]

I'm sure I'll be able to find more if I dig deeper

Strange behavior. How come an user cheat campaigns in such a way! And what about the forum standing on such behavior? I have seen a few users posting here within gap of 1/2 minutes, it's possible because someone may just look at the title and reply. But this one was insane. Great find, anyway.

[coupable]

Or there something suspicious behind this? For example, post are made by another people and this guy just copy and paste in the appropriate topic?

Whatever the reasons, he is polluting your campaign and the forum in general. He doesn't deserve to be paid for posting garbage without notice about the spam bursting behavior.
Before reading what SFR10 discovered [nice catch] above, i thought about the possibility that either, posts are made by someone else and the user just post them with his account intensively, or he just hits the reply button write few words or just quote a previous sentence then come back later editing it with more sentences [like when reserving a post].

[LoyceV]

I did some digging ^{[only the last few posts]} and found out ^{[thanks to few users that quoted his/her initial post]} he/she copy/pasted one of his/her older posts in the exact same thread:

I checked All unedited (or deleted) posts made by bitcoinst: I can't easily get a list of posts again, but this file shows the number of times (at the start of each line) a certain post was made.

Note: There are of course also legit reasons to repost an old post, if I search my own post history the same way, I get many hits too (mostly bumps).
Also note: This only shows exact matches. Even a space or a new line means I won't catch it.

[hugeblack]

It is possible to create too many topics every hour, it is related to the existence of a database and programs that can modify some texts with topics ready for the season.
For example, some topics (especially discussions) contain more than one possible reply, and one reply may fit more than one topic with modification of some words.
If you have the right program and the basic ideas, you can create hundreds of responses daily and modify them to produce more. The time differences are not important.

[actmyname]

If you have the right program and the basic ideas, you can create hundreds of responses daily and modify them to produce more. The time differences are not important.

About a year ago, I was contemplating this very topic: it's so easy to craft a series of responses that align to the various spam megathread topics in the discussion boards. A lot of padding can also be used to fit into most posts: users generating some replies could add in a few fragments of sentences that go through a soft word spinner or something else, and then you will have a dynamic range of replies for most threads.

Of course, since you're only replying to those generic threads, you have the benefit of being vague or open-ended with your reply and barely saying anything of substance at all: this makes the whole plagiarism risk much less severe, and furthermore...

If you're talking users in Altcoin campaigns, then this can even be fully automated (more easily, anyway) because of how shitty the replies are in the Altcoin Discussion section. The thing is, unless someone actually starts purging posts or threads, it's unlikely that any one particular spammer (or account complex) will be impacted by the occasional reporter.

[SFR10]

Great find, anyway.

[nice catch]

Thank you.

I checked All unedited (or deleted) posts made by bitcoinst: I can't easily get a list of posts again, but this file shows the number of times (at the start of each line) a certain post was made.

A great addition to your tools. Is it possible to automatically get the topic ID for each or it's too much to ask for?

Note: There are of course also legit reasons to repost an old post, if I search my own post history the same way, I get many hits too (mostly bumps).

I do agree with you. I've done that in the past with bumps as well...
<sup>- I've even combined all of my posts in a single page into a single post but I did it when I wasn't in any campaign.
- The issue with the user in question is the way he/she is cheating the system in exchange for earnings.</sup>

Thanks to LoyceV's file, I was able to easily find another one with archived versions in google:
^{- I think bitcoinst's intention is now clear enough...}

• May 28, 2020
• June 29, 2020
• August 30, 2020

[sujonali1819]

Thank You all have replied and present their thoughts about this case. And special thanks to SFR10 for a good investigation. And now I am quite clear about the intention of the user bitcoinst . Yes, I also do the copy/paste my previous post for bumping purposes in my service thread. But when someone does this job like bitcoinst is totally abuse of signature campaigns. I already warned him for the burst posting. But here I can see the different scenarios by SFR investigation.

I am now closing this thread. If you want to share something valuable plz feel free to ask me to reopen this thread.