you're making bitcoin complicated

[BeManga]

Bitcoin user is making bitcoin complicated for a newbie
I discover that bitcoin is becoming more and more complicated not because it is really hard to understand
but instead those who are not new in bitcoin are making it complicated. (Even Myself  )
as I think a little bit deeper I realized it and plan to change my approach to the newbie as a self-reflection.
I want to learn more how can i make bitcoin newbie friendly as simplest as possible.

Example:

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?
Bitcoin User will answer the hardware wallet which is not free. Yes it is safest but not a newbie-friendly

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use. Every wallet has its own flaws in order to secure your bitcoin you have to learn how to use it and make it secure.

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?
Bitcoin user will say Signature campaign which is also not newbie friendly because you cant join the signature campaign now if you are a newbie.until they discover the altcoin campaign where they can join but will be disappointed sooner or later because of not getting paid and leave bitcoin and tell that it is a scam.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

If a newbie asks what good thing about bitcoin? anonymity?
Bitcoin user wants to teach about one the good thing about bitcoin which is anonymity but for a newbie point of view, it will also make confusion because if im the newbie why do I need to become anonymous if im not planning to do bad things.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

[The Cryptovator]

I won't agree with you. Old users want to tech perfect things about bitcoin, so the new user will not regret it in the future. If someone asks you about a bitcoin wallet then you should suggest a good wallet as a senior bitcoin user, web wallet wouldn't safe ever and newbies would regret when they will face many problems like KYC and account block. Even they can't buy a hardware wallet they should use a noncustodial wallet and no cost for it. If you don't suggest a hardware wallet then how newbies will no that it is such as an option to keep safer your bitcoin.

Regarding earnings, everyone earing from a different way, so they will suggest as same. Also, they should know regarding anonymity, either they follow it or not. I can't see anything wrong here.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use.

And completely insecure. And it teaches the newbie to trust an anonymous stranger with their coins, which is the exact opposite of what bitcoin was designed to do. There's a reason a lot of people recommend hardware wallets, and that's because they are a good balance of security and ease of use for newbies. If you teach a newbie to use a web wallet, who is then phished or hacked and loses all their coins, then there is no faster way to turn them away from bitcoin.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

Faucets are pointless. You will spend hours filling in captchas to earn a few cents worth of bitcoin. We shouldn't be telling newbies to join signature campaigns either, and every time I see someone recommend a brand new account a signature campaign I cringe.

Bitcoin is money. You can acquire bitcoin the same way you acquire any type of money. Get a job and earn it, sell a good or service for it, or exchange another type of money for it.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

I'll agree with you here. We should be teaching newbies that bitcoin is money, to be used for payments and trades, and not just to be hoarded. Bitcoin isn't anonymous, anyway.

[tbct_mt2]

[General] Bitcoin Wallets - Which, what, why?
Custodial vs. Non Custodial Wallets - "Not your keys, not your coin" Explained.
[Guide] Hardware wallets - which one is a good choice?
Wallet summary (not mine)

Web wallets are unsafe. I use Electrum because of its lightweight on my computer and after install or open it I can use it immediately.

[seoincorporation]

This is not true, not all the users show the hard way for the newbies... Maybe some of them do it but not all of them. And the newbies should search the information by themselves that be there waiting for someone to answer their doubts.

Is the newbie's responsibility to learn the bitcoin basics, and not our responsibility to teach them how it works.

[avikz]

I really don't think so! In reality, internet is full with super easy guides available for free of cost. Anyone who is willing to learn about bitcoin, can make use of these guides and articles. I personally have learned bitcoin in a Similar way back in 2015 when such resources were very limited.

There are mainly two types of learners available in this market. One who wishes to learn about the technology and other who wishes to make money. The problem is with this second group. Lack of patience usually ruins their learning capabilities. We are not making things complicated!

[Jawhead999]

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?
Bitcoin User will answer the hardware wallet which is not free. Yes it is safest but not a newbie-friendly

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use. Every wallet has its own flaws in order to secure your bitcoin you have to learn how to use it and make it secure.

If you encourage newbie to choose random web wallet without knowing the security and do proper research, that newbies will fell to scam web wallet (e.g. freewallet). Electrum is the best wallet for newbie-friendly and safe.

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?
Bitcoin user will say Signature campaign which is also not newbie friendly because you cant join the signature campaign now if you are a newbie.until they discover the altcoin campaign where they can join but will be disappointed sooner or later because of not getting paid and leave bitcoin and tell that it is a scam.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

Faucet is useless you need to read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825370.msg9220285#msg9220285

Be a freelancer or find a job in real life is better than sit in front your PC and completing captcha every 60 seconds.

If a newbie asks what good thing about bitcoin? anonymity?
Bitcoin user wants to teach about one the good thing about bitcoin which is anonymity but for a newbie point of view, it will also make confusion because if im the newbie why do I need to become anonymous if im not planning to do bad things.

Even though you use bitcoin for a good things (e.g. fundraising for charity) that doesn't mean people will not do bad things to you. If they know what's your name, where your location and which address you use... they can simply do $5 wrench attack. Be careful about your privacy and it's not anonymous but pseudonymous.

[hatshepsut93]

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

You gotta explain to people how Bitcoin is better than banks, because simply being an online payment method for p2p transactions is not enough, companies like PayPal and Venmo and countless others have been offering it for years, and with simpler user experience. Privacy is a perfectly valid point, these days people are paying for VPN and are installing anti-tracking addons, so there's nothing negative about that.

[kryptqnick]

Bitcoin user is making bitcoin complicated for a newbie
I discover that bitcoin is becoming more and more complicated not because it is really hard to understand
but instead those who are not new in bitcoin are making it complicated. (Even Myself  )
as I think a little bit deeper I realized it and plan to change my approach to the newbie as a self-reflection.
I want to learn more how can i make bitcoin newbie friendly as simplest as possible.

Example:

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?
Bitcoin User will answer the hardware wallet which is not free. Yes it is safest but not a newbie-friendly

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use. Every wallet has its own flaws in order to secure your bitcoin you have to learn how to use it and make it secure.

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?
Bitcoin user will say Signature campaign which is also not newbie friendly because you cant join the signature campaign now if you are a newbie.until they discover the altcoin campaign where they can join but will be disappointed sooner or later because of not getting paid and leave bitcoin and tell that it is a scam.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

If a newbie asks what good thing about bitcoin? anonymity?
Bitcoin user wants to teach about one the good thing about bitcoin which is anonymity but for a newbie point of view, it will also make confusion because if im the newbie why do I need to become anonymous if im not planning to do bad things.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

If a person just wants to use Bitcoin, then there's no need to dive into the issues of how Blockchain works and stuff like that. As for wallets, buying it when you're just getting to know Bitcoin doesn't make sense, but Electrum is a fine wallet which is free to use and quite safe. Apart from this, a newbie should be informed about scams and how to stay protected as well as common mistakes like making the fee too low or sending BTC to an LTC address or something like this. Regarding anonymity, it's important to point out that Bitcoin does not guarantee full anonymity and was never meant to guarantee it. And speaking of whether Bitcoin is good or bad, I'd say it's neutral itself, but can be used for various purposes (just like other forms of money).

[BrewMaster]

i get that you think you are simplifying things but in reality you are replacing good advice with bad advice. for example the worst one in my experience is telling a newbie to use a web wallet, specially the custodial ones such as coinbase. if they were to use these types then they shouldn't even use bitcoin in first place.
you see when someone with more experience is giving advice to newbies, they are giving good advice even if at first sight it looks to be more complicated.

[Ucy]

In regards to anonymity/privacy, it's  necessary to let them know that it's one of the important features of Bitcoin, so they don't become careless like many people are on regular internet. It's a very important feature that makes Bitcoin network secure, just like decentralization, transparency, immutablity, censorship resistant, permissionless/trustlessness, deflation etc. They should be gradually taught these things, for the good of the network.

[ChiBitCTy]

Bitcoin isn't easy to understand and it all depends on what the person is trying to accomplish.  If they are simply looking to purchase something using bitcoin then setting up a Coinbase account/wallet would be fine.  If they are actually trying to learn about bitcoin and how it works, as well as use proper practices, then they need to learn things like how to use a hardware wallet ( which is NOT difficult to use) as well as the fact that bitcoin is NOT anonymous. 

I simply can't agree with your findings here at all.  I think you're off base with how you're trying to approach these things.  Stop being lazy is my answer to much of this. Educate yourself so that you know how to do things properly.

[CryptoPoliticalEnthusiast]

i get that you think you are simplifying things but in reality you are replacing good advice with bad advice. for example the worst one in my experience is telling a newbie to use a web wallet, specially the custodial ones such as coinbase. if they were to use these types then they shouldn't even use bitcoin in first place.
you see when someone with more experience is giving advice to newbies, they are giving good advice even if at first sight it looks to be more complicated.

I've never seen anyone say "keep your Bitcoin on Coinbase." But keeping it on web wallets or app wallets isn't bad advice. The newbie isn't going to be likely doing enough to concern themselves with the increased security of a hardware wallet. Obviously they are more secure, but its about ease s security. Most new users would be fine with that.

I agree with the OP, there is a problem in the Bitcoin community with onboarding new users (one of the only good places I've seen this is r/BitcoinBeginners). The average person doesn't want to hear about overtly technical stuff, or long discussions about anonymity and security. They want to know the basics of Bitcoin, they want to know why they should get involved, and the very basic approach to do that.

[dothebeats]

This is entirely dependent on who you ask.

Most of the time, veterans and old users here in the forum are pretty straightforward in giving answers that a newbie seeks for and really needs. Most suggests alternatives that are really useful, and not some shilled services for their own benefit. Perhaps I'm being biased around here, knowing that I've been here for 6 years, but point still stands: we simplify things for the newbs in order for them to get a footing and not get their minds confused and not the other way around that you're trying to say.

Also, there are tons of guides for newbies here in this forum, and even in bitcoin.org which is the main website one must check if they are pretty new to the community. I just don't see any problem in here, or perhaps I haven't encountered one that you're saying yet.

[SomeJasonGuy]

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use.

And completely insecure. And it teaches the newbie to trust an anonymous stranger with their coins, which is the exact opposite of what bitcoin was designed to do. There's a reason a lot of people recommend hardware wallets, and that's because they are a good balance of security and ease of use for newbies. If you teach a newbie to use a web wallet, who is then phished or hacked and loses all their coins, then there is no faster way to turn them away from bitcoin.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

Faucets are pointless. You will spend hours filling in captchas to earn a few cents worth of bitcoin. We shouldn't be telling newbies to join signature campaigns either, and every time I see someone recommend a brand new account a signature campaign I cringe.

Bitcoin is money. You can acquire bitcoin the same way you acquire any type of money. Get a job and earn it, sell a good or service for it, or exchange another type of money for it.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

I'll agree with you here. We should be teaching newbies that bitcoin is money, to be used for payments and trades, and not just to be hoarded. Bitcoin isn't anonymous, anyway.

I don't necessarily agree with bitcoin be viewed as only money. I find little reason to not view it as gold and where hoarding it does make sense. Both uses as a store of value as well as money are very possible.

[BeManga]

I won't agree with you. Old users want to tech perfect things about bitcoin, so the new user will not regret it in the future. If someone asks you about a bitcoin wallet then you should suggest a good wallet as a senior bitcoin user, web wallet wouldn't safe ever and newbies would regret when they will face many problems like KYC and account block. Even they can't buy a hardware wallet they should use a noncustodial wallet and no cost for it. If you don't suggest a hardware wallet then how newbies will no that it is such as an option to keep safer your bitcoin.

Regarding earnings, everyone earing from a different way, so they will suggest as same. Also, they should know regarding anonymity, either they follow it or not. I can't see anything wrong here.

for the newbie,they dont need to be afaid in kyc and  I don't think the account block will happen as long as they don't do fraud.
in my opinion all wallet is not safe it just depend how you use it

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use.

And completely insecure. And it teaches the newbie to trust an anonymous stranger with their coins, which is the exact opposite of what bitcoin was designed to do. There's a reason a lot of people recommend hardware wallets, and that's because they are a good balance of security and ease of use for newbies. If you teach a newbie to use a web wallet, who is then phished or hacked and loses all their coins, then there is no faster way to turn them away from bitcoin.

But in my own perspective Newbie is not someone who have a lot of coin. they are someone who is just starting in bitcoin and want to try it
and if ever they plan to invest on it i think they will do and make they own research.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

Faucets are pointless. You will spend hours filling in captchas to earn a few cents worth of bitcoin. We shouldn't be telling newbies to join signature campaigns either, and every time I see someone recommend a brand new account a signature campaign I cringe.

Bitcoin is money. You can acquire bitcoin the same way you acquire any type of money. Get a job and earn it, sell a good or service for it, or exchange another type of money for it.

if I'm a newbie and just starting to learn bitcoin i will ask dollar instead if i do online job or sell goods and service.what i saying in faucet is for them to test it first as of now no one will send you bitcoin just to try it and if I'm the newbie who is not sure about bitcoin i will not also buy it.

[General] Bitcoin Wallets - Which, what, why?
Custodial vs. Non Custodial Wallets - "Not your keys, not your coin" Explained.
[Guide] Hardware wallets - which one is a good choice?
Wallet summary (not mine)

Web wallets are unsafe. I use Electrum because of its lightweight on my computer and after install or open it I can use it immediately.

all wallet is not really safe https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-may-know-who-is-behind-the-1-400-btc-electrum-wallet-hack
its all depend how you use the wallet

This is not true, not all the users show the hard way for the newbies... Maybe some of them do it but not all of them. And the newbies should search the information by themselves that be there waiting for someone to answer their doubts.

Is the newbie's responsibility to learn the bitcoin basics, and not our responsibility to teach them how it works.

well we cant say that it is our responsibility to teach them because we are the one who know more about bitcoin
its their responsibility to learn bitcoin if they want to use it i just want newbie to learn bitcoin in simplest way

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?
Bitcoin User will answer the hardware wallet which is not free. Yes it is safest but not a newbie-friendly

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use. Every wallet has its own flaws in order to secure your bitcoin you have to learn how to use it and make it secure.

If you encourage newbie to choose random web wallet without knowing the security and do proper research, that newbies will fell to scam web wallet (e.g. freewallet). Electrum is the best wallet for newbie-friendly and safe.

in my opinion web wallet is safe depend how you use it
i use blockchain for a few years but never experience any problem

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?
Bitcoin user will say Signature campaign which is also not newbie friendly because you cant join the signature campaign now if you are a newbie.until they discover the altcoin campaign where they can join but will be disappointed sooner or later because of not getting paid and leave bitcoin and tell that it is a scam.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

Faucet is useless you need to read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825370.msg9220285#msg9220285

Be a freelancer or find a job in real life is better than sit in front your PC and completing captcha every 60 seconds.

as i earn more i also see that faucet is useless but if i look more on it. when i still doing faucet way back on the past few years at that time it is also useless it take a month or more for me to earn some bitcoin which is only a few hundred dollars but i keep doing it because it is free and i have the idea that it will worth it someday instead or watching or reading something in social media while discovering more about bitcoin but if you look at the price of what i earn in faucet in a few months before its more than ten thousand of dollar today.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

You gotta explain to people how Bitcoin is better than banks, because simply being an online payment method for p2p transactions is not enough, companies like PayPal and Venmo and countless others have been offering it for years, and with simpler user experience. Privacy is a perfectly valid point, these days people are paying for VPN and are installing anti-tracking addons, so there's nothing negative about that.

in my opinion bitcoin is not totally anonymous and decentralized it depends how you use it
and if you will teach it to newbie it will make it more complicated
only those who want to take advantage about it will be interested

Bitcoin isn't easy to understand and it all depends on what the person is trying to accomplish.  If they are simply looking to purchase something using bitcoin then setting up a Coinbase account/wallet would be fine.  If they are actually trying to learn about bitcoin and how it works, as well as use proper practices, then they need to learn things like how to use a hardware wallet ( which is NOT difficult to use) as well as the fact that bitcoin is NOT anonymous.  

I simply can't agree with your findings here at all.  I think you're off base with how you're trying to approach these things.  Stop being lazy is my answer to much of this. Educate yourself so that you know how to do things properly.

if your using hard wallet it its good for you because you have some bitcoin to store
but what I'm talking about is newbies point of view
newbies is those people who is starting to learn bitcoin why do they need hardware wallet as if they have bitcoin to store
in my opinion almost all the newbies is only having a small amount of bitcoin some of the don't have any
they just want to test it, make transaction , withdraw some or buy small amount.

[Twentyonepaylots]

If a newbie asks what is a good wallet to use?
Bitcoin User will answer the hardware wallet which is not free. Yes it is safest but not a newbie-friendly

Instead of a web wallet that is free and easy to use. Every wallet has its own flaws in order to secure your bitcoin you have to learn how to use it and make it secure.

LOL of course people will suggest the safest one coz they are just a newbie, and also that would depend on the question if they want a free or paid wallet. Not newbie-friendly? how come is a hardware wallet is not a newbie-friendly?

If a newbie asks how to earn bitcoin?
Bitcoin user will say Signature campaign which is also not newbie friendly because you cant join the signature campaign now if you are a newbie.until they discover the altcoin campaign where they can join but will be disappointed sooner or later because of not getting paid and leave bitcoin and tell that it is a scam.

Instead, teach them one of the basic ways to earn bitcoin which is micro earning where they can earn small amount of bitcoin like faucets for them to test bitcoin

That also depends on the question, if the newbie asks a way to gain bitcoin here in the forum then people will suggests joining a campaign, social media campaigns accepts newbie account. And faucets, people are suggesting this since then.

If a newbie asks what good thing about bitcoin? anonymity?
Bitcoin user wants to teach about one the good thing about bitcoin which is anonymity but for a newbie point of view, it will also make confusion because if im the newbie why do I need to become anonymous if im not planning to do bad things.

instead, teach them the basic about bitcoin which is a payment method where they can use online or they can do a person to person transaction

It's part of bitcoin to be pseudonymous and not anonymous, and as for a newbie they should already know that basic definition of bitcoin.
If you're a newbie and asks why do you need to be anonymous online, I'll just ignore you.

[Oilacris]

This is entirely dependent on who you ask.

Most of the time, veterans and old users here in the forum are pretty straightforward in giving answers that a newbie seeks for and really needs. Most suggests alternatives that are really useful, and not some shilled services for their own benefit. Perhaps I'm being biased around here, knowing that I've been here for 6 years, but point still stands: we simplify things for the newbs in order for them to get a footing and not get their minds confused and not the other way around that you're trying to say.

Also, there are tons of guides for newbies here in this forum, and even in bitcoin.org which is the main website one must check if they are pretty new to the community. I just don't see any problem in here, or perhaps I haven't encountered one that you're saying yet.

Not only on several sites but also there are Youtube videos which are really not that complicated or complex for a noob to understand rather than explaining verbally yet you can introduce them to see those videos and
it is much more understable imho.

In my years in crypto when someone do ask me out then i do just give out some video links that do explain the basic stuff and so far those people who have asked on me did really able to understand
and now they are already engaging themselves here on crypto space.

It doesnt really need for it to be complicated because its just normal for people to reject it once they do saw its hard to understand.

[sunsilk]

It is not making bitcoin complicated if we are suggesting a hardware when a newbie asks for a good wallet. Yes, it's not free because it's security is better than the web wallets. We are telling the truth about hardware wallets because they are even better.

You forgot that there were several hacks that happened with web wallets and newbies became a victim of phishing links copying those web wallets. They are newbie and they are prone to that and as part of security measures, hardware wallets are better.

[CryptoPoliticalEnthusiast]

This is entirely dependent on who you ask.

Most of the time, veterans and old users here in the forum are pretty straightforward in giving answers that a newbie seeks for and really needs. Most suggests alternatives that are really useful, and not some shilled services for their own benefit. Perhaps I'm being biased around here, knowing that I've been here for 6 years, but point still stands: we simplify things for the newbs in order for them to get a footing and not get their minds confused and not the other way around that you're trying to say.

Also, there are tons of guides for newbies here in this forum, and even in bitcoin.org which is the main website one must check if they are pretty new to the community. I just don't see any problem in here, or perhaps I haven't encountered one that you're saying yet.

Fair enough, I haven't hung around bitcointalk much (obviously, judging from my accounts age), but I'm just basing this on the community at large. Twitter? That's toxic, especially for new people. Just look at the JK Rowling tweet and response, no one was actually taking her seriously, or were offering very outlandish metaphors (Not to say that Rowling isn't an idiot to begin with). Now yes, that was a celebrity, and a shitty one at that, but I see it all too often. Also see it on Reddit too. People think they're being helpful, but end up sounding snobbish.

As I said though, I'm too new around these particular parts to offer an opinion about here though