Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?

[SwayStar123]

Congrats to both JSRAW and d_eddie. Well deserved and welcome to the club.
Toxic on deck.

Lesson 1 on how to become a bitcointalk legendary...

-Hang out in the wob thread.
-don't spam,
-don't commit shitcoinery....
-and don't be a dick.

(I know... I can be a dick, but I was grandfathered in...)

This was my original motivation to write this thread, I have not engaged in the BWO thread much, but from my limited engagement of that thread, I can tell it was an extremely toxic community, its hard enough to get into their community of <20 people, but if you post ANY bearish TA on the thread, you will be absolutely ostracized, especially if you are not part of their upper echelon. So I have come here to make my case on whether or not this community really deserves their 11000+ merits that has been circulating between each other.

Lets look at original intent of the Wall Observer thread and how it holds up now

Wall Observer
A free service brought to you by the bitcoin community

Whenever there is a significant change in market depth, please update this thread with a new depth chart, and a good price chart with some TA is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something to worth contributing, ( if your post is not at all TA it will be deleted )

Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )
 Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)
 When you post a chart please use bitcoincharts.com, mtgoxlive.com, btccharts.com or bitcoinity.com (This information may be out of date)

Recommendations
Do: Post TA and news items related to Bitcoin, engage in friendly debate and banter, ignore people who offend or insult you
Don't: Be a drama queen

lets look at the first line for now

Whenever there is a significant change in market depth, please update this thread with a new depth chart, and a good price chart with some TA is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something to worth contributing

Now even at a quick glance of the last few pages of the BWO thread, its quite apparent that almost 80% of the posts are completely irrelevant to the bitcoin price, while there is some (still not a majority) of discussion about bitcoin in general, the vast majority of the talk on BWO is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

( if your post is not at all TA it will be deleted )

Anyone with half an eye will be able to tell this has not been followed for a very long time, i dont really blame infofront, as there are ALOT of posts, but the fact that he let it slide at the start has caused this massive problem to begin with.

Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )

same as above

Do not post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)

same as above

Don't: Be a drama queen

There is quite a bit of drama in the thread, theres people berating others for posting bearish TA, and then theres people throwing shit at each other for not holding up a (joke) offer of beer if price fell below a certain price.

In conclusion, most of WBO is just banter/jokes or just plain chit chat, the only person I could find who consistently posts TA is Toxic2040, and so I would like to make it clear, I have no problem with Toxic2040, only with the rest of the WBO community.

Now all of this would be fine and dandy under normal circumstances, I really wouldn't give a shit if there was a toxic community doing whatever they want, my main issue comes from the merit circulation within this thread.

Let us look at the original purpose of merit

What is Merit?

Merit is a new system created in order to reward quality contributions to the forum.

The original purpose of merit was to reward quality contributions to this forum... Let us now see how this holds up on BWO

I will now share the last few merited posts from WBO, im not gonna be picking and choosing.

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Idiots like you is why I am proud of having suffered through an actual physics degree instead of lying to people on internet forums about what math and science have "proven". And I think you meant to say disproven. Because the first thing they tell young scientists: you cannot prove something. You can only disprove something.

2 merits, irrelevant to bitcoin price, does not add anything to the actual arguement for any price movement, and is mostly just random. I would not deem this a quality contribution.

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Finally!!!!!!

A positive sign.  

aka... proudhon


 

This never really gets old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuFy0fcuw

The proudhon song (bitcoin is a bubble)

1 merit, again irrelevant to bitcoin price, its just mainly banter, i dont see how this would qualify as a quality contribution.

Once more for the people in the back...bitcoin cannot sustain prices greater than $10k. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Proven by science and maths.

Finally!!!!!!

A positive sign.  

aka... proudhon


 

1 merit, once again, just banter

Well i think you get the point, lets now look at the merit flow for one of the WBO regulars..




this is not an isolated case, nearly all the WBO regulars get all their merit from WBO and send all their merit back into WBO, this is basically due to a feedback loop, WBO members meriting each other because "haha funny joke" rather than any posts being of actual significance which add something to the discussion or forum

This basically means that merit has become insanely inflated in WBO and legendary rank has become relatively easy to earn, really demeaning the value of the rank, legendary rank was supposed to be reserved for people who get merited alot due to their contributions to this forum, but due to WBO, there have been alot of new legendaries who really just got alot of merits because they pleased the WBO community and participated in the echoing of their opinions between each other, This is problem is also exaggerated due to signature campaigns, legendary rank members can gain a very high price for their signature, which also rewards the members of WBO and provides them incentive to continue this practice.


If any of you disagree with me and think im wrong for any reasons, feel free to reply here, I would like to hear your arguements.

edit: changed title from "Should bitcoin wall observer thread be deleted" to "should merit be disabled on bitcoin wall observer"

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[cabalism13]

"Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

🤔🤔🤔
I reached Legendary without hangin out on that thread.
Also its been years already for the WO, so basically it won't get deleted. Even if you're seeing some large Merit Circulation on that thread, well it does goes with senses and how they're understanding each other. But yeah, it's true that Merit should be atleast be given to Posts that has Qualities, but we really can't moderate this kind of things, just let them be IMO. If the admin sees it wrong he would just go and remove Merits into that page.

[Pffrt]

At least, active poster in WO thread are the real interested users/investors of bitcoin. Others outside WO thread are just here to get few bucks (most cases) by participating in signature campaign. Who are better? Of course WO gang in my opinion. They do not write shit for filling requirements of signature campaign, rather they post shit (may be or may not be) because they enjoy posting here.

"Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

I believe whoever has posted that was sarcastic or jealous of not getting merit. Sarcastic because WO gang knows there are some people who lurk in WO thread to hunt merits.
A side note- Very few I mean very very few people from WO thread participates in signature campaign. So, merit is just a number to them.

[cabalism13]

people are getting merited for posting memes

Not a bad thing IMO. Besides Memes in majority are used to express many things in funny way that is, but for the what nots that you're referring, that could be the one I'm opposing with.
Anyways, in majority on WO, there are less things to be considered abuse... Don't get me wrong here, somethings should be left as is.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Guide to becoming a bitcointalk legendary-
1. Hangout on Wall Observer thread

Im sure the WO guys are not created for merit farming. Those who tried to post there are mostly failed to grab some merits. Especially its a trading hub for people who are really into trading. Im beginning to wonder why you think that hanging out there would gain some merits to rank up.

Perhaps merit should be disabled on that thread? it has become sort of a big issue that needs an answer, people are getting merited for posting memes

I dont think there is something wrong there. People merited some for humor also not just quality post. If they found it meritable then its not a problem. Merit isnt moderated and WO is a very old thread that has been respected by most users here.

[Pffrt]

The guy who made that post himself was a legendary in WO

Then that was a sarcastic post as they know there are some people who pretend to be WO thread lover and hunt for merits to achieve higher rank. I have seen a few people to receive merits from that thread but in reality they are just having focus to achieve the rank. Hope you got the sarcasm.

[explorer]

   WO  frequent posters (a small number, as earlier referenced) tend to be rabidly anti alt and anti bear.  Always been that way.  I doubt a blind vote would skew that way, but I don't really care.  I guess we could start WO3, with the same high morals WO2 strove for before it was shut down( and started again) but it always ends up the way it is.  Embrace it. or don't.  Shutting it down because you don't like it or understand it is probably not happening.

   Start your own thread with more sober content.  If you are after praise, post praiseworthy memes content.

 One thing to remember here, is that English is often not the first language of your target audience.  Sarcasm and humor is often twisted or lost in translation...

[pooya87]

but if you post ANY bearish TA on the thread, you will be absolutely ostracized,

well if people don't want to see others criticize, oppose or even attack their opinions then they shouldn't have posted them on the internet in first place. specially in such a controversial matter such as Technical Analysis which is not reliable to begin with, not to mention posting a bearish TA during a bull market but that's another discussion (it is the same as being ostracized for posting a bullish TA in the first quarter of 2018 when bitcoin was in bearish mode).

as for merit and what else is going on there, merit is not moderated and people can give it to whoever they want for whatever reason they think is fit.

[explorer]

   WO  frequent posters (a small number, as earlier referenced) tend to be rabidly anti alt and anti bear.  Always been that way.  I doubt a blind vote would skew that way, but I don't really care.  I guess we could start WO3, with the same high morals WO2 strove for before it was shut down( and started again) but it always ends up the way it is.  Embrace it. or don't.  Shutting it down because you don't like it or understand it is probably not happening.

   Start your own thread with more sober content.  If you are after praise, post praiseworthy memes content.

Shutting it down wont work, your right, perhaps merit should be disabled on the thread instead

Funny, I thought it had been, at some point, but I can't remember.  I couldn't give 2 shits about merit points one way or the other, but I am opposed to taking something away from a majority to appease a minority.  Too much of THAT shit going on already.

[explorer]

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but I am opposed to taking something away from a majority to appease a minority.  Too much of THAT shit going on already.

What majority? I am proposing taking something away from the ~20 people that are active on the thread, in order to help the merit flow back into the entire forum, which is the majority.

Disabling merit on WO would help the majority

What makes you think the same group won't congregate somewhere else, Barely disrupting the flow?  Post your TA, with explanations.  Be proven over time.  You can't expect to just pop up with no history or rapport and bask in glowing praise for your vision.  Every poster there started with their first post.  True, its more of a news/hangout these days, but there will be more TA when more TA is posted.  If that is your goal, get started, and don't quit after your first try. 

[Cryptotourist]

Goodness me, such swaying bullshit.
Only gets exponential outside the WO.
Now you know.

-∞ WO's merits

[Cryptotourist]

Goodness me, such swaying bullshit.
Only gets exponential outside the WO.
Now you know.

-∞ WO's merits

baseless insult.
no constructive criticism

-∞ WO's merits

Oh I'm sorry I insulted you sweetheart.
Baseless thread. Have a banana.

[bitcoinPsycho]

Looks like a bad case of Merit Envy

envy

/ˈɛnvi/

noun

a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.

"she felt a twinge of envy for the people on board"

[JSRAW]

Hello WO gang, although I'm not active here, I love to visit WO thread times to times and enjoy reading the posts.
Here is a thread about deleting this thread, I would love you guys to defend on why you think this thread should be here, immutune forever.
Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted?

agreed, i am willing to change my opinion if there are any good arguements against it

Quoting my old reply to you during your first meltdown in WO.....

Welp im glad i didnt listen to u all and kept my shorts open, im outta here now

Good for you Sway. I suggest stay and keep posting.

Thick skin + humility is key.. Just saying.

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If you are so insecure and can't take few insults in the internet, then Mr Sway_I know it all_Star...... Fuck off respectfully  , no one cares.

[goldkingcoiner]

First of all, thank you for cherrypicking my comment.

I think Bitcoin Wall Observer is a fascinating place to always keep track of what the price is doing and occasional banter or memes is given merit as everywhere else on Bitcointalk wherever people find posts that deserve merit.

Also,
I was defending against a troll spreading misinformation but ok. I never asked for the 2 merits.

How about this: We will make a new thread for you. We can call it charts only observer.

edit: oh and I do post TA. So don't think of me as some time wasting nocoiner.


edit 2: Roach? That you?

[Cryptotourist]

this explains perfectly why i think WO is a toxic community which doesnt deserve its 11000+ merit

So, you think this is constructive in ANY way?
Merits, really? Talk about toxic.

You don't get to say your opinion on where I stick them. Makes sense?

[Last of the V8s]

Hello. Welcome to the world. It is not fair.

For example, there are special rules for that thread about topicality, ones you clearly haven't researched.

And we are indeed unfairly liberal with merit compared with other threads. This has come up many times, as you'd have found if you'd researched it before launching your self-destructive tirade, and the administration has never seen fit to react. It is just a low level priority it seems.

It is mostly that we merit people for their character and overall contribution more than their specific post, which is within the meriting guidelines. You'd know that if you'd researched it.

Not supplying you any links because #dyor

[Vectra]

Just tell them to fuck off whenever they try to bully you to post what they would like you to post or not post whatever they don't like you to  post. And you can bet whatever you post someone will try it, so be prepared to send lot of fuck offs.

[Poker Player]

When I go to the WO thread I only see people enjoying themselves and this makes the thread unique. It seems to me it is a much better thread than most threads on the Bitcoin Discussion or Gambling sections.

As for you analysis on merit, AFAIK, merit is not only given for quality posts it is many times for being funny and I see it is given for that reason there many times.

This basically means that merit has become insanely inflated in WBO and legendary rank has become relatively easy to earn, really demeaning the value of the rank, legendary rank was supposed to be reserved for people who get merited alot due to their contributions to this forum, but due to WBO, there have been alot of new legendaries who really just got alot of merits because they pleased the WBO community and participated in the echoing of their opinions between each other, This is problem is also exaggerated due to signature campaigns, legendary rank members can gain a very high price for their signature, which also rewards the members of WBO and provides them incentive to continue this practice.

But on that thread signatures are not displayed so I don't think they are getting paid for their posts there.

A question for veteran members: did that thread change a lot since the merit system was introduced? If so, it means OP is right, if not, OP is wrong.

[aesma]

While participants of the thread are mostly bullish, they're bullish about BTC, not just the price. You can discuss the day to day moves in the price (purpose of the thread), news about BTC in general, and express bearish sentiments after a while, you can't just do it like dumping a shit on a doorstep "BTC will go to 0" and expect to be welcomed.