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September 04, 2020, 09:21:54 AM |
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Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?
No .....I mean Yes I really don't care
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The WO is a huge and (arguably) historic thread with millions of views.
Personally, I see it as the beating heart of the forum. Yes it is populated by the OG bitcoiners, people who have been around for years, been through the crypto winters and hung on through rain and shine. For many people it is the best old school bar in town. Sometimes they let off steam, sometimes soak up the heat for everyone with a quip.
Old warriors who have seen it all are indeed scathing of those who have yet to learn, but it is also the place where news often surfaces first, and where the mood of the entire community of the forum is displayed. The memes can encapsulate the mood, the jokes offer gallows humour when things are grim. It is welcoming of new members who 'get it' and gives short shrift to those who don't.
There are indeed a lot of merit sources there, inevitably they are people who are always checking in on the WO - for many who have been around a long time the WO is their home page. Sources do have to use merits (or lose them) and it is entirely up to them where they send them.
It will not change and personally I don't think it should. It is an open and tough debating forum - yes, with humour and chat. But if you look closely there is much to learn.
I did.
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Although you have a point Merit always seems easy to get in the Wall Observer topic, I don't think that topic harms the forum. Merit was introduced to stop spammers, and I see no harm in a bunch of guys posting in one very big topic. There are a lot of Merit sources active in that topic, just like in Meta, which makes it easier to earn Merit. I would love to see technical topics earn more Merit than WO or Meta posts, but I think less people read those, or the people who do read them have less sMerit to share. Well i think you get the point, lets now look at the merit flow for one of the WBO regulars.. You forgot to compare this data to their actual posts: if 95% of their posts and reading happens in the WO-thread, it's not surprising their Merit activity happens in the same thread too.
I wish the WO-topic had a summary, because there are interesting posts, but there's just far too many other posts to read too.
For anyone who likes scrolling, I made WallObserver.tk
To answer your questions: Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? No. Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer? No.
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September 04, 2020, 09:29:12 AM |
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Hey theymos, please disable merits on WO. For SwayStar God damn it.
~ as much as i hate the toxicity in WO i dont mind it being open if the merit issue is solved. ill rename the thread now
This sounds so obnoxious. Nice to see you master logic.
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September 04, 2020, 09:32:33 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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First, I have once raised an issue like this acoupke of months ago before I later understand that there are a lot of real bitcoin hodlers and traders who are not after merit and campaign in the WO but there are some which seize the thread the rank up either. Second, WO is an independent thread but managed by @infofront and could be change according to Theymos message in the year 2017 if hes not moderating the thread verywell or if the thread is complicated complicated by cause I also believe the thread rules are follow in terms of multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling and off-topicness.
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September 04, 2020, 09:33:11 AM |
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*It isn't hard to get in the WO-thread, there are plenty of bearish people in there (or with slow growth, new bottom or whatever perspective), when they post and they don't troll then other engage with serious talk and answer... Only a moron would say that this isn't the case... There is a very big different in the WO for those who enter with trolling intentions and breaking down BTC and disrespect the environment, to those who have an opinion and talking about a lower bottom or a slow growth etc like majormax for example ---> he always talks slow and not parabolic but on a normal way and not trolling (merited him a lot even when I didn't agree, but I he's just reasoning as all of us).
*True there are many OG posters there those who are core BTC'ers and whom are active from the very start of BTC-talk, please show some respect for the piece of BTC-history they have build and just see that this thread is a piece of BTC-history as well.
*There are many different posters in the WO and probably more whom doesn't post at the WO, but read it daily to gain knowledge around what is happening in BTC-land, and probably can have a good laugh with some A+++ jokes and good GIF usage etc
*Just a few examples myself, VB1001, fillippone, JSRAW, ivomm, exstasie, toxic2040 and many more are all people started on BTC-talk as a newbie, started at the WO as a newbie but all have gained much more respect and been way more rewarded as for example you are ... We all made useful threads in English sections as in our own sections and we have all helped out new members, all contributed in our own way.
*Contribute, don't try to break some community and community spirit where we all build upon as people with similar interest BTC
*Also I know a lot of very quality posters who I have helped to rank up a bit... but never trolling or non contributing members. I write this cause your first lines in the OP are posting to a few members who are granted legendary recently... Those are more than deserved legendary members, sometimes a small merit boost is very appropriate as long as it is send for good reasons, those members are more as well deserved and they all resent there gained merit to quality members as well.
*The OP of the WO is very known and doesn't need a closer look from a bitter person who can't handle it that some others members are receiving some merit... when you're jealous at fellow people on the same boat, then better don't be on it please.... it only ruin the good healthy spirit for others. The whole forum or relevant people that are familiar with the WO-thread already knows that its more as the OP... Its a seed that has been planted in the forum, where everyone can write and talk BTC among others... As long if its a bit respectful and a bit about BTC then there is a lot to discus, serious matters and as well with some kind of humor and a bit of hang out ....
I can't read your whole OP cause I know the rest will all be the same and drama for some send merits....
Please don't be that guy, join the BTC-community and respect its history and the people involved in it and those that have build on it, its the soul of the whole thing.
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September 04, 2020, 09:39:13 AM Last edit: September 04, 2020, 09:56:39 AM by tranthidung Merited by fillippone (2), BobLawblaw (1) |
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It is your earned merit, categorised by thread IDs and the thread ID of Wall Observer is 178336. Data is last Friday merit data dump. - In both sum or frequency stats: you earned most of your merit in WO.
In sum: +------------------------+ | topic emerit_topic | |------------------------| 1. | 4745089 15 | 2. | 4758313 15 | 3. | 178336 12 | 4. | 5222343 11 | 5. | 5193860 6 | |------------------------| 6. | 5229611 3 | 7. | 5159576 3 | 8. | 5231762 2 | 9. | 5226139 2 | 10. | 5191989 2 | |------------------------| 11. | 5267500 2 | 12. | 5255102 1 | 13. | 5231766 1 | 14. | 4707054 1 | 15. | 5037973 1 | |------------------------| 16. | 5245061 1 | +------------------------+
In percent topic | Freq. Percent Cum. ------------+----------------------------------- 178336 | 10 19.23 19.23 4707054 | 1 1.92 21.15 4745089 | 7 13.46 34.62 4758313 | 9 17.31 51.92 5037973 | 1 1.92 53.85 5159576 | 2 3.85 57.69 5191989 | 1 1.92 59.62 5193860 | 5 9.62 69.23 5222343 | 7 13.46 82.69 5226139 | 2 3.85 86.54 5229611 | 1 1.92 88.46 5231762 | 1 1.92 90.38 5231766 | 1 1.92 92.31 5245061 | 1 1.92 94.23 5255102 | 1 1.92 96.15 5267500 | 2 3.85 100.00 ------------+----------------------------------- Total | 52 100.00
Summary stats for WO: - emerit_topic: Sum of earned merits in each topic
- cmerit_topic: Frequency (count) of merit transactions in each topic
- pemerit_topic: Percent of sum of earned merits in each topic / total earned merits
- temerit: Sum of earned merits till last Friday data dump
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | topic emerit_topic temerit pemerit_topic cmerit_topic | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 1. | 178336 53976 737258 7.4 38972 | 2. | 5193860 22280 737258 3 6378 | 3. | 1006631 9402 737258 1.2 6313 | 4. | 2818350 3483 737258 .4 1609 | 5. | 313900 3303 737258 .4 2016 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 6. | 26136 3190 737258 .4 2561 | 7. | 5105163 1887 737258 .2 1480 | 8. | 2360806 1821 737258 .2 1658 | 9. | 5 1670 737258 .2 209 | 10. | 2827596 1622 737258 .2 188 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 11. | 2840438 1609 737258 .2 1004 | 12. | 1458034 1582 737258 .2 1006 | 13. | 5095156 1398 737258 .2 702 | 14. | 5156376 1375 737258 .2 352 | 15. | 2818398 1242 737258 .2 782 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 16. | 2823701 1097 737258 .2 705 | 17. | 753252 990 737258 .2 602 | 18. | 4871955 967 737258 .2 498 | 19. | 2683530 932 737258 .2 316 | 20. | 1976285 883 737258 .2 556 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 21. | 5044331 856 737258 .2 185 | 22. | 4415262 834 737258 .2 662 | 23. | 5053833 830 737258 .2 322 | 24. | 750446 787 737258 .2 477 | 25. | 1608859 784 737258 .2 348 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 26. | 569449 779 737258 .2 399 | 27. | 5157696 772 737258 .2 226 | 28. | 1935179 761 737258 .2 568 | 29. | 1883902 759 737258 .2 339 | 30. | 5149062 737 737258 0 451 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 31. | 1336682 735 737258 0 418 | 32. | 2820637 733 737258 0 326 | 33. | 155054 731 737258 0 113 | 34. | 2874360 728 737258 0 397 | 35. | 317658 705 737258 0 154 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 36. | 570886 691 737258 0 417 | 37. | 583449 682 737258 0 309 | 38. | 3015517 645 737258 0 91 | 39. | 2818404 642 737258 0 268 | 40. | 2544574 632 737258 0 403 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 41. | 4742257 632 737258 0 210 | 42. | 628413 619 737258 0 488 | 43. | 615953 616 737258 0 329 | 44. | 421615 613 737258 0 234 | 45. | 4657305 595 737258 0 406 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| 46. | 2897545 575 737258 0 160 | 47. | 0 571 737258 0 354 | 48. | 5236380 569 737258 0 113 | 49. | 375643 561 737258 0 101 | 50. | 2040221 542 737258 0 297 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
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September 04, 2020, 09:39:58 AM |
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Is merit crazily distorted on that thread? Most certainly. Is it doing any harm? Nope.
A no mark scumbag with evil intentions to rank up wouldn't get anywhere. I doubt it would make any difference to WO poster behaviour if it was gone. It was handed to them and they ran with it. Many were already the most senior rank before the system arrived.
I've no idea what everyone's stats are about handing them out but hopefully some use that excess to splurge on helping lowlier members outside the thread to rank up.
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September 04, 2020, 09:42:37 AM |
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Imagine if we just stopped looking at others and giving a shit about how or why they are doing things that don't affect anyone else. It's merit and jokes, and dildos galore let's just calm down and move on. Don't like it take your ball start another. I rarely venture there and don't think I've ever posted, but do pop in from time to time for a laugh.
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Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....
Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.
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September 04, 2020, 09:55:40 AM |
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If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way
I don't think you have the memes for it.
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September 04, 2020, 10:05:39 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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As tranthidung stated above, WO is where i have gotten most of my merit, i could have just continued to post whatever i posted before
You did not read again, did you? - People can complain about how merit is distributed in WO but please remember that even if you earn thousand of merit in WO but you simply earn it from shitposts and you are a shitposter, you will not get acceptances from managers of good campaigns. It makes sense to stop complaining about merit in WO.
I congratulate you in advance because you might become a Full member but you will have to wait ~ next 6 months to get the legendary activity count and maybe years to hit the Legendary rank. I did some quick search and gave you 2 threads but I have a disclosure for you, if you dyor you will know that your thread is not the first one complains about WO. Let it is as it has been, please.
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September 04, 2020, 10:07:59 AM Merited by gentlemand (1) |
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Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....
Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.
If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way No that where you're wrong... if thats the only reason, you would be detected and receiving way less as you would think. The WO isn't filled with idiots, keep that in mind, most of them are people with a lot of knowledge and very very good in detecting abusers of systems, as they are all contributors for a healthy and good working environment. Don't just think I participate there and merit will follow.
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September 04, 2020, 10:14:49 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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I do not think merit should be disbaled in that thread. May be a lot of users merit posts which are funny, meme or enjoy reading regardless of high quality. However, that's what also happened in the main board. I have seen a lot of cases where merits were put in memes in other boars/threads. So, it does not make sense to disable merit there. Also, quality of post can differ person to person.
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September 04, 2020, 10:18:53 AM |
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Actually most important is, you have said you're thing, maybe close this thread?? Seems like 99.7% of the forum disagree.... Number high enough?
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Its pity, cause imo this thread is nothing more as an attempt for merit fishing and attention seeking....
Just try to create something thats about BTC or helpful for this place.
If i wanted merit I wouldve just participated in WO and tried to farm merit that way All I understood from these 5 pages is that instead of one Bitcoin Wall Observer topic, the OP will receive two. All heroes from that topic will move to this topic. The only thing that the OP can please be constant attention only to him. OP, just click “ ignore this topic” if you're worried. Benefits for the forum can be brought in other ways, do not worry about the merits. It is not good to count moneymerit in other people's wallets.
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September 04, 2020, 10:34:51 AM Last edit: September 04, 2020, 11:18:42 AM by fillippone Merited by BobLawblaw (1) |
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I have been summoned into this thread by @El duderino_ , whose post I fully agree with, but after 5 pages I still cannot understand what is the OP's point. The fact that he had the majority of his merits from the WO thread, as per @tranthidung analysis, adds to my confusion.
I said many times whatever accusation on the WO could legitimately be made (meriting circles, back scratching, immorality, toxic-ism or whatever else) is vastly overwhelmed by the utility of that single pearl-like post I usually find from time to time. So I also legitimately ignore those criticism.
My interest for this thread stops here.
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September 04, 2020, 10:42:46 AM |
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SwayStar123 shifting the goalposts from "Should we delete the thread" to "Should we disable merit in thread" speaks volumes to his true grievance. He's jealous of our fruitty little hat gang. Just fuck off to Reddit or something. Who the fuck are you to dictate what happens in one of the most interesting threads on these forums ? If it wasn't for the Wall Observer thread, I would have no interest in these forums otherwise. Even after nuking all my posts in a fit of rage, I'm glad I still hang out there, albeit not as much as I have before. The fact that we throw merits at each other the way we do (many of us are Merit Sources) is none of your fucking business. It's a community unto itself, on Bitcointalk. Maybe instead of complaining about the Wall Observer thread, you could have tried to add something to it other than your tears. In closing...
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September 04, 2020, 10:57:47 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Disable merits? Kill the Wall Observer thread? Can't see it happen.
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September 04, 2020, 11:09:38 AM |
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If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?
It wouldn't make any difference at all. Proper merit farmers wouldn't last more than a handful of posts before being told to bugger off. That thread has the most experienced members who've seen every behaviour under the sun on here and they instantly see through empty members. If you don't fit in with the spirit of the thread you're not going to last.
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