Should merit be disabled on Bitcoin Wall Observer?

[bitcoinPsycho]

If removing merits causes WO to die then am i not correct to assume its a merit farming factory?

It wouldn't make any difference at all.

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

We already know

[gentlemand]

tell that to your fellow WO member not me

I think what has irritated people is that you somehow think WO people are 'cheating' whereas they themselves don't regard it as a contest or struggle. The merit stuff is a fun and useful addition that they make liberal use of for their own amusement, not the be all and end all.

If it was gone the conversation would continue in the exact same way. The conversation would be the same if it had never existed, but there would be no asshole no marks making an occasional appearance fishing for merit.

Some lower ranked members constantly have one eye on upping their merit score and it makes them come over as stiff, and then there are those who spend their lives whining about why their score isn't higher. If you jettison that and just get on with enjoying and learning then it arrives naturally.

[gentlemand]

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

Well, I think he was more interested in making the right haiku rather than a point.

I personally couldn't give a shit if merit was gone from there and most of it is totally frivolous but there is also high quality content which would be deserving of plenty of merit regardless of where it's posted.

Like I said it's your inference that WO folks are somehow the embodiment of evil short cutting that hasn't gone down well.

[actmyname]

Scenario:
Some punk-ass loser posts memes all day in WO thread.
Punk-ass loser is trying to get merit in order to rank up so they can farm signature campaigns.
Punk-ass loser spends all his time on the WO thread since they maximize their merit.
Punk-ass loser has no useful posts outside of WO.
Punk-ass loser applies for signature campaign.
Punk-ass loser does not get in.Usually, people can follow the flow of merit. If a user is accumulating merit and they produce shitty posts, the posts will be reported. If a user produces quality posts, then it is no longer a problem.

[nutildah]

exactly so disabling merit would not hinder the preexisting WO community at all, i have an issue with the over inflation of merit on WO, and you also seem to have some problems with people coming and trying to fish for merit, disabling merit would solve both of our issues

I was not the one who stated that WO would die without merit, it was eddie who thinks such

Now you're being completely irrational. Eddie in no way said that and I don't think you'll convince anybody here that he did.

Regardless of the loose camaraderie that indeed exists in the WO thread, I find some of the most intriguing and intellectual conversation of the entire forum happening there and will readily disperse merits upon those who add something somewhat insightful to any discussion currently taking place there.

As gentlemand mentioned earlier, its obvious to us when someone forces their way onto the scene looking to cheese their way into some merits, and we don't appreciate it. And if we don't agree with your opinion, we're under no obligation to give you merits either. We're not obligated to do jack shit actually.

Wait a minute.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

First you want the WO thread - the most famous thread of the whole forum - deleted, THEN you say you want merits taken away from the thread, something that has never been done for any other thread since the merit system started, all the while feigning a nonchalant attitude of not caring about merits? You obviously care to an unhealthy agree. What you're asking:

1) isn't feasible
2) is selfish of you
3) won't happen
4) theymos would never implement it in a million years
5) won't change the dynamics of the WO in the slightest
6) did I mention its not going to happen? because its not

Well considering half of them came here to tell me to fuck off rather than actually make any points i still think im right to call most of WO toxic

And that is your right, just as it is their right to tell you to fuck off. If you think that thread is toxic I encourage you to spend more time in Politics & Society to get a better gauge of what forum toxicity actually looks like.

I feel like I've said this many times already, maybe about once every 6 months, but theymos isn't about to abandon his libertarian ideals regarding forum governance in order to prevent your delicate sensibilities from being offended.

[actmyname]

In that same scenario around 1000 sMerit got sent to Mr. Punkass for posting memes rather than being distributed on the rest of the forum.

Dope. That means that whoever sent the merit decided that it was a proper use of their merit.

Are you going to now start commandeering the merit system to restrict certain people from getting it? How about, let's prevent all Legendary users and above from receiving merit since it's clearly not going to the other members who obviously deserve it.

theymos himself barely even fucking cares about merit abuse.

[FullNode]

Your registration date is from mar 2018 and you are suggesting to close one of the best threads with the most visits
 in a forum with:
55,085,986 Posts
1,259,723 Topics
2,834,026 Members
Check some of the WO profiles and look at the registration dates, some of them are part of Bitcointak and Bitcoin
Find another topic that is a real problem on the forum and help solve it,you will earn merits and recognition, it is a better idea than attacking WO
Wall Observer has a life of its own

[actmyname]

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

You are incorrect because you are proposing a result to a hypothetical. For one, I have seen posts outside of the WO thread that are not of "high quality". Shitposts, even, that were merited.

Nobody really gives a shit anymore about merit, do they?It's also a bit strange to be meriting people like El duderino_ when they have >4000 merit. What are they going to do with it?

(case in point: merit doesn't matter to a lot of these users)

[actmyname]

Its not a hypothetical, people have been banned and flagged and distrusted for merit farming before.

There it is! The equivalence between 'merit farming' and the WO thread!

Tell me... what do these users without any merit-based incentives plan on doing with their merit other than to use it in the form of "likes" on the WO thread?

also if merit really doesnt matter to them i dont understand why they would be so opposed to disabling merit on the thread

"I could live with or without an extra lamp. I would like to keep it, though."

[El duderino_]

Thing is, if me and my friends did the same thing but outside of WO we would definitely get banned, thats my problem here

You are incorrect because you are proposing a result to a hypothetical. For one, I have seen posts outside of the WO thread that are not of "high quality". Shitposts, even, that were merited.

Nobody really gives a shit anymore about merit, do they?It's also a bit strange to be meriting people like El duderino_ when they have >4000 merit. What are they going to do with it?

(case in point: merit doesn't matter to a lot of these users)

Howhowhow.......don’t point at me, I only entered this thread to gain merit bruh.... I’m in love with my merit whoreacracy.....

Life = merit.... that’s what the guy is pointing out isn’t it....

>4000 still isn’t >5000

 

[actmyname]

I kinda dont want the merits to spiral down and turn into glorified like buttons, thats kinda the point of stopping the inflation of merit in WO

Kind of too late for that. People aren't given restrictions on merit, and therefore merit can be sent arbitrarily. I don't tag anymore for merit abuse except in clear-cut egregious cases because of that fact: you cannot accurately determine subjective values via merit resulting in an excess of merit from circumstantial evidence resulting in a conclusion of abuse.

The other thing is, to like someone's post, doesn't it automatically have to have something of substance that connects with you? I'm not going to merit something randomly, am I?

[El duderino_]

My dude hat says so....

Flying for BTC-ATH mean’t merit ATH 

[suchmoon]

I think we should cancel the rest of the forum and leave only the WO thread so that there is less confusion what this forum is about.

[actmyname]

Yes but because of the massive merit inflation on WO, you can basically "like"(merit) every message you see, hence the memes which have nothing to do with bitcoin and such getting merited in WO, which just furthur increases the inflation problem

Just to toss a stick in the pile.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

This one should relate to those cases you mentioned.

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

And this is on merit sources, but it seems general enough to apply to most people. After all, the standards of those that are sources vs. those that are not (in a perfect world) would be equally high.

[Erumo]

Isnt the fact that "signatures are not shown in WO and it is impossible to spam in this megathread for signature campaign" enough?
Merit is not moderated. Anyone can merit anything, even posts with single pictures, bounty reports and proof of registration. It is they own will. So why disabling merit in WO ?

First we disable merit in WO, then we hide members reputation in Goods, Services and Lending. Mark my words

[nutildah]

closing the thread wouldnt do much as they can just make a new thread, thats why i went from "should we delete" to "should we disable merit on WO"

Even if we all voted "yes," I don't think theymos would change it. It could be a bit more work than he wants to do, plus it doesn't make much sense, plus there's no way everybody would vote yes in the first place, plus there won't be an official vote on the matter.

I feel like you are still operating under the assumption that this statement is true because nobody bothered to correct you:

id say the majority of merit being holed up and distributed within a single thread is pretty harmful  

This isn't true -- not by a longshot.

According to the official Merit sources stats:

There are 97 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 21171 sMerit per 30 days

Out of these 97 sources, approximately 16 of them are part-time or hardcore WO members. Based on the most recent data that can be discerned from the subject, they account for approximately 14% of all sMerits generated every 30 days. So even if all of them spent ALL their merits in the WO thread (and they don't -- most of them are pretty diligent about spreading their merits around the forum), 14% is still pretty far from being a "majority."

So please stop making stuff up in order to propel an argument that was never actually going to make it off the ground in the first place. Like this for example:

massive merit inflation on WO

Uh... merit is deflationary... I don't think you even understand what the concept of "inflation" means. We'd need to sucker more merit sources into WO culture at an exponential rate in order for merit to be truly "inflationary."

Stop and take a breath unless your goal is to have 100 merits before you go to sleep, which might very well be possible.