Card counting in black jack

[Mauser]

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

Is there any card counter out here who did win most if the bets he made ? Please share your experience.

I still think it's an interesting thing to learn.

The thing with counting cards is that there need to be a lot of decks (> 6 decks) in the game, and the dealer should cut pretty close to the end of the stack. So you are using almost all of the cards.

The plan is to get a deck with a lot of value 10 cards, and less cards with a value of below 7.

This definitely works, but you need to play a lot of hands. The strategy shifts your winning chance into positive, but it doesn't mean you are going to win every hand.

We did this a few times in our math course and was a nice strategy. The problem is that it's hard to do such a strat alone. You need a spotter to count the table for you. You can't be standing behind a black jack table and just count the deck until you eventually start playing. This is very suspicious and will make you get kicked out of the casino fast.

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[iamsheikhadil]

I don't think it will be illegal because you are doing nothing but just speculation externally, you aren't influencing any cards. But it's surely unethical in the casino industry which is based on luck and thrill. If you get to know if you are going to win or lose, there's no thrill at all in the game play. Either way, I think if one masters it, they have a great chance of winning the game. I watched a movie based on it on Netflix few months ago.

[FlightyPouch]

I don't think it will be illegal because you are doing nothing but just speculation externally, you aren't influencing any cards. But it's surely unethical in the casino industry which is based on luck and thrill. If you get to know if you are going to win or lose, there's no thrill at all in the game play. Either way, I think if one masters it, they have a great chance of winning the game. I watched a movie based on it on Netflix few months ago.

Card counting is not a way to speculate, for me it is a statistical way of having an upper hand against the dealers. As I also watched some videos in the past, some say it is just a mere subtraction and addition but that also means memorizing the card being dealt. No one knows if you will win or lose, even using card counting on Blackjack, some say that you can't stack wins every night. You will win some, you will lose the most, that is gambling.

[Shasha80]

To be honest, I have never used a card counting strategy, but according to some reviews I have read on various forums.
Many card counting is successful after practicing it, but this strategy must have a good memory and can focus on concentration.
So it is clear that people with weak memories will not succeed in using the card counting strategy.

[KTChampions]

How does this reduce the number of hands? Shuffle machines don't care how many decks to shuffle. Therefore, this does not lead to wasted time.
As for the legislation, it is different everywhere, but it's hard for me to imagine that somewhere there is a law prohibiting counting cards and counting your own odds when playing cards.

It is not completely meaningless to count cards with 8 decks of cards but the chances are very low to increase winning portability. The same frequencies will not happen as in 1 or 4 decks of cards, just try to count one of the live dealer games in Blackjack tables. You can use a single-player room which usually has more than 50 people and the time will be your advantage.  In the best case, you will have 1 max 2 percent edge over the house, will it worth to use your energy?...
P.s: Check this thread and find the statistical edge in numbers.

I just wrote about this in my other post - theoretically this occupation is profitable, but in fact it is pointless to do it.

It isn't completely illegal per se, but some people can't really card count on their own, so they ask for others to support them, and THIS makes it illegal. It's like those movies where there's a third party behind the bad guy that's winning. Card counting on your own is legal itself, since it is a skill, and you're doing it yourself (without any external device that could help that is).

Now I get it, thanks for the clarification. Under such conditions, this activity can easily be classified as a cheating/violation of the rules of the game.

[StephenJH]

To be honest, I have never used a card counting strategy, but according to some reviews I have read on various forums.
Many card counting is successful after practicing it, but this strategy must have a good memory and can focus on concentration.
So it is clear that people with weak memories will not succeed in using the card counting strategy.

I will ask from a friend who is a math teacher to help me for beating the dealer in a live blackjack table. From the first look, it is not hard to learn but it is hard to master after falling many times. Overall, the edge over the house will increase and of course, our minds will be messy, just a single mistake can ruin the whole combination. Imagine combining this with martingale money management and being unsuccessful.

[FlightyPouch]

To be honest, I have never used a card counting strategy, but according to some reviews I have read on various forums.
Many card counting is successful after practicing it, but this strategy must have a good memory and can focus on concentration.
So it is clear that people with weak memories will not succeed in using the card counting strategy.

I will ask from a friend who is a math teacher to help me for beating the dealer in a live blackjack table. From the first look, it is not hard to learn but it is hard to master after falling many times. Overall, the edge over the house will increase and of course, our minds will be messy, just a single mistake can ruin the whole combination. Imagine combining this with martingale money management and being unsuccessful.

As far as I know, to counter this strategy, card counting, there are casinos that use continuous shuffling of cards. Also, it is said that the guy doesn't need to be a math wizard or maybe a math teacher, as long as he can memorize the cards being dealt and can multi-task on the table, you can actually win. I think martingale would be a great one to combine but it is counting so there are times that you are sure what to bet then you make some high bets sometime too.

[Debonaire217]

To be honest, I have never used a card counting strategy, but according to some reviews I have read on various forums.
Many card counting is successful after practicing it, but this strategy must have a good memory and can focus on concentration.
So it is clear that people with weak memories will not succeed in using the card counting strategy.

These strategy is actually applicable to Blackjack and Poker, and it will give an edge to someone who have a great memory skills like this. That is why most of the people say that good poker players know and memorized the entire deck of cards but I believe they really doesn't. There's still no 100 percent assurance that you can win with this, you still need  to test your luck because of failure rate to execute it. Perhaps, poker player's investment isn't card counting but the ability to read minds and expression of the other player.

[maxreish]

I am not aware there is such a counting trick in black jack. I am only relying on my guts to stand with the cards i picked. Usually losing on that game though since I always had a bad luck on black jack or maybe not my game since I most often play dice and mines.

Anyway, let me try that trick next time. Who knows, if i have a good seed and luck then probably this will works.

[Mauser]

If you enjoy reading I would recommend the old - but still accurate book by Edward Thorp ("Beat the Dealer: A Winning Strategy for the Game of Twenty-one") This guy is a genius in gambling and also investing.

The thing with counting cards is that is only working in a physical casino with multiple decks. Such strategies don't work online.

The edge of the casino in black jack comes from the fact that you are getting your cards before the dealer does. So if you go above 21 and go bust you lose and the round is over. Theoretical the casino could also go bust this round but it doesn't come to that since you already lost. With counting cards you are trying to get a deck with a lot of valu 10 cards, so your chances of getting 21 or 20 is much higher.

[fiulpro]

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

I can't vouch for my self but I have seen cases where people get banned on a casino or ask to leave the casino if they were caught card counting and basing on how the casino owners respond to card counting it seems that it works and if the person who is card counting is left alone they have a higher chance of losing to the gambler.

a little offtopic: I wonder if card counting works in black jack in an online casino(not live black jack).

That's interesting but I think that in live ones the developers already would have done some limitations in the code to prevent such actions being done by other players.

Since when we are talking about playing online against a program ; it does have all the datas and such ; therefore I think I won't go that far to try it online but offline ones are something that can be tried on .

I am not aware there is such a counting trick in black jack. I am only relying on my guts to stand with the cards i picked. Usually losing on that game though since I always had a bad luck on black jack or maybe not my game since I most often play dice and mines.

Anyway, let me try that trick next time. Who knows, if i have a good seed and luck then probably this will works.

I think even before that you have to practice ; don't loose money unnecessarily or maybe don't play for much ?

This trick doesn't need much thought and such it's simple 1+1+0-1-1 ... Etc.. therefore it's something that we all can do ... At the same time try and associate a big number with an animal or a thing this way by picturizing that number you will be able to remember it more.

[rhomelmabini]

Is card counting possible online or even by a single individual. I really don't know the trick and even if you had laid it here I can't still grasp the details of it and how it would function. Well, that's only me. I have to happen seen it on the movie series of Lucifer wherein Ms. Lopez was used that trick but sadly the gal was banned on almost all casinos, it's just a movie though but I think it is possible in real life, am I right? Maybe some card geniuses?

[Distinctin]

Statistical evidence shows that you can turn around the house edge with this 'trick', and increases the players chances. But I never tried it though, probably it will take time and practice to memorise everything. I'm also interested to know if there are 'professional' card counter here. It's not illegal, but if the casino suspect you that you are doing this strategy, then you can be kick out of the casino and be blacklisted.

You're right, and card counting become highlighted again with the movie '21', and I'm sure almost all gamblers have seen this movie. I doubt though, that anyone here will admit that they are card counters. This could be considered as "pro", as it is not easy as you need to avoid suspicion, you have to look that you are just an average Joe player, and just betting base on hunch, specially if you double up your bet.

I've seen that movie and I think it's illegal in most casinos so I would not try to master this one, besides, I am not really a big fan of Blackjack game, I have other interest but I really love the movie though, anything as long as related to gambling.

[imstillthebest]

Statistical evidence shows that you can turn around the house edge with this 'trick', and increases the players chances. But I never tried it though, probably it will take time and practice to memorise everything. I'm also interested to know if there are 'professional' card counter here. It's not illegal, but if the casino suspect you that you are doing this strategy, then you can be kick out of the casino and be blacklisted.

You're right, and card counting become highlighted again with the movie '21', and I'm sure almost all gamblers have seen this movie. I doubt though, that anyone here will admit that they are card counters. This could be considered as "pro", as it is not easy as you need to avoid suspicion, you have to look that you are just an average Joe player, and just betting base on hunch, specially if you double up your bet.

I've seen that movie and I think it's illegal in most casinos so I would not try to master this one, besides, I am not really a big fan of Blackjack game, I have other interest but I really love the movie though, anything as long as related to gambling.

not familiar to this trick but ive known blackjack a long time ago and been also involved on it  .

 now that im aware that the trick exist , i think im still not going to learn it  , not because that im afraid to get caught and banned but i just wanted to play fair and square   . casino's are trying to be fair here so why will we cheat them  but other than that  i also believer that if you did bad things , you will also get bad returns much more that what you have done .

[peter0425]

I am not aware there is such a counting trick in black jack. I am only relying on my guts to stand with the cards i picked. Usually losing on that game though since I always had a bad luck on black jack or maybe not my game since I most often play dice and mines.

Try Poker in which card counting is really rampant specially in Real game.
But yeah i am as well have no Big luck in blackjack,i would rather play roulette or Slots than this one lol

Anyway, let me try that trick next time. Who knows, if i have a good seed and luck then probably this will works.

it is not easy to do mate and besides i believe that Only few mastered this meaning it will take time and effort before finally making it right.

[Botnake]

Statistical evidence shows that you can turn around the house edge with this 'trick', and increases the players chances. But I never tried it though, probably it will take time and practice to memorise everything. I'm also interested to know if there are 'professional' card counter here. It's not illegal, but if the casino suspect you that you are doing this strategy, then you can be kick out of the casino and be blacklisted.

You're right, and card counting become highlighted again with the movie '21', and I'm sure almost all gamblers have seen this movie. I doubt though, that anyone here will admit that they are card counters. This could be considered as "pro", as it is not easy as you need to avoid suspicion, you have to look that you are just an average Joe player, and just betting base on hunch, specially if you double up your bet.

I've seen that movie and I think it's illegal in most casinos so I would not try to master this one, besides, I am not really a big fan of Blackjack game, I have other interest but I really love the movie though, anything as long as related to gambling.

not familiar to this trick but ive known blackjack a long time ago and been also involved on it  .

 now that im aware that the trick exist , i think im still not going to learn it  , not because that im afraid to get caught and banned but i just wanted to play fair and square   . casino's are trying to be fair here so why will we cheat them  but other than that  i also believer that if you did bad things , you will also get bad returns much more that what you have done .

You don't messed with the casino with this system, I've watched the movie as well and I like the movie very much, it was already an old movie but I can still watch it over and over again without losing the entertainment value I get.

check out the thriller, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsK1c9ZBpuw&ab_channel=21Movie .. you might like to watch the full movie once you see it, but I'm not telling you to do bad things, of course let's play fair as that would challenge us and will give us real entertainment.

[lightfoot]

Just as a side note: When walking up to a blackjack table, always read what is on the felt. Card counting may lower the house advantage by -1% vs. playing with the optimal basic strategy will result in a house edge of .46%.

However, something as simple as "Blackjack pays 6/5" plus perfect strategy will set the house edge at 1.82%. That's 4 times as much loss per hour as a "Blackjack pays 3/2". Add in other rule changes like "Dealer must hit soft 17" and "double on 10/11 only" will raise the house edge to 2.32%. This will swamp even card counting.

This is why those tables are usually the ones with fake strippers on poles next to them. Those strippers are powered by money, and all the lights/etc are run on money as well. Even on a straight table you're talking a profit of $50 an hour (before taxes) with $100 base bets and a $10,000 stash to the table. Worth it? Eh.....

If I want to go to casinos and have "fun" or hang around with people I will play don't pass/don't come on craps with a per roll house edge of .40%. Plus it keeps the table and the casino honest, as loading the dice will seriously affect the payouts for the donts. (This is why craps is a game that doesn't tolerate house cheating, if the house cheats then the donts will rob them blind) But yes, you will lose over time because those lights won't pay for themselves....

Your mileage may vary.....

[milewilda]

To be honest, I have never used a card counting strategy, but according to some reviews I have read on various forums.
Many card counting is successful after practicing it, but this strategy must have a good memory and can focus on concentration.
So it is clear that people with weak memories will not succeed in using the card counting strategy.

I will ask from a friend who is a math teacher to help me for beating the dealer in a live blackjack table. From the first look, it is not hard to learn but it is hard to master after falling many times. Overall, the edge over the house will increase and of course, our minds will be messy, just a single mistake can ruin the whole combination. Imagine combining this with martingale money management and being unsuccessful.

It sounds simple but when you are on the actual thing then it would really be already a confusing thing if you havent mastered this enough.Im able to tried or practice this one but it seems it would need
several months to keep on playing before i do able to take a grasp on it.Take note that dont let yourself get caught or making yourself way too obvious on this stuff or else you would really be
blocked or restricted on a certain casino.

[South Park]

So I do know one thing that counting cards are banned in most physical casinos but if you can make it work then I do believe it works most of the time.

So how does counting card works ?
For:
Card no. 2-6 = +1 { good to remove these cards from the deck}
Card no. 7-9 = 0{ forget these cards }
Card no. 10-Ace= -1 { Do not remove them }

One needs to keep a running count of all the cards around and with multiple decks one can just divide the total running count with number of decks .

The more positive count the more the player is going to win and for the negative count the player is in a bad position; now it's completely legal in some places but banned in most .

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

Is there any card counter out here who did win most if the bets he made ? Please share your experience.

I still think it's an interesting thing to learn.

I never tried so I do not have personal experience but it is known that it works, however most croupiers know card counting as well and they keep track of the count and if they see you change your betting patterns and bet very little when the count is against you and you bet a lot when the count is in your favour then you are going to be eventually banned from the casino, however players found a way around it by the introduction of team play, what they do is that one player keeps track of the count and keeps his bets constant but when the count is on favour of the player they give a signal to another player that comes and makes big bets which makes him look as a high roller and not a card counter.

[aesma]

Yes, it works, back then that is. Casinos pretty much countered this by having a few decks in play so that card counting is REALLY hard to do anymore. It increases your chances even though the chances are still pretty low imo. If it were one deck, then your chances are pretty good as long as you're able to card count properly.

How does this reduce the number of hands? Shuffle machines don't care how many decks to shuffle. Therefore, this does not lead to wasted time.
As for the legislation, it is different everywhere, but it's hard for me to imagine that somewhere there is a law prohibiting counting cards and counting your own odds when playing cards.

It isn't completely illegal per se, but some people can't really card count on their own, so they ask for others to support them, and THIS makes it illegal. It's like those movies where there's a third party behind the bad guy that's winning. Card counting on your own is legal itself, since it is a skill, and you're doing it yourself (without any external device that could help that is).

I only know what I've seen in US movies/TV series, and in these it seems the casinos just throw you out/take your winnings/break your knees if they suspect you of counting cards. How do they suspect you ? If you win too often !