Card counting in black jack

[swogerino]

Yes, it works, back then that is. Casinos pretty much countered this by having a few decks in play so that card counting is REALLY hard to do anymore. It increases your chances even though the chances are still pretty low imo. If it were one deck, then your chances are pretty good as long as you're able to card count properly.

How does this reduce the number of hands? Shuffle machines don't care how many decks to shuffle. Therefore, this does not lead to wasted time.
As for the legislation, it is different everywhere, but it's hard for me to imagine that somewhere there is a law prohibiting counting cards and counting your own odds when playing cards.

It isn't completely illegal per se, but some people can't really card count on their own, so they ask for others to support them, and THIS makes it illegal. It's like those movies where there's a third party behind the bad guy that's winning. Card counting on your own is legal itself, since it is a skill, and you're doing it yourself (without any external device that could help that is).

I only know what I've seen in US movies/TV series, and in these it seems the casinos just throw you out/take your winnings/break your knees if they suspect you of counting cards. How do they suspect you ? If you win too often !

This only happens in the movies and no one in real life break your knees if you win to often.You can go to the casino with a group of friends so you will not be alone at the mercy of casino gorillas if that is the case.

However count as much as you want,you can’t win always as sometimes you receive cards like J and 5 which is the worst combination being a 16 and you can go bust if you hit or when you dont the dealer get a 17 and wins.Although counting is possible do not rely on it to win as is not possible.

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[MCobian]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

[Bezobraznike]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

   Any task is harder when you are doing it under the pressure. I read what people commented in this thread and as some people
said, maybe it's possible for some people to count cards when they play with one deck, but what happens when dealer has more than
one deck? And online casinos use more decks probably, how to count cards when there're too many possibilities. Even it sounds good,
and there are films about counting cards, I don't think it's a perfect strategy for winning in Black Jack, there's no perfect strategy!

[shoreno]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

   Any task is harder when you are doing it under the pressure. I read what people commented in this thread and as some people
said, maybe it's possible for some people to count cards when they play with one deck, but what happens when dealer has more than
one deck? And online casinos use more decks probably, how to count cards when there're too many possibilities. Even it sounds good,
and there are films about counting cards, I don't think it's a perfect strategy for winning in Black Jack, there's no perfect strategy!

its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

 it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

[Timelord2067]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It almost sounds like you have to be a narcissist to concentrate on your surroundings (checking out for security etc) as well as recalling cards per hand/shuffle.  The OP adds a degree of difficulty with having to convert card values to a score then adding up that score.  Are there any examples of people winning big bucks with these kinds of methodologies, or is it all just a working theory?

[pilosopotasyo]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

[Mauser]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

I don't think you can do it alone it's just too much work for one person. Just because you are counting a deck doesn't mean that the odds will be in your favour. It might be that you watch a table for 1h and it's still not enough odds in your favour to start actually playing. Most people who were successful in card counting had a hole team working on it. It's best to have 2-3 spotter just to find the best deck for you, and you want to stay relaxed and fresh yourself until you actually start playing. The game can be quite fast with many people playing on a table.

[mardaed]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

I don't think you can do it alone it's just too much work for one person. Just because you are counting a deck doesn't mean that the odds will be in your favour. It might be that you watch a table for 1h and it's still not enough odds in your favour to start actually playing. Most people who were successful in card counting had a hole team working on it. It's best to have 2-3 spotter just to find the best deck for you, and you want to stay relaxed and fresh yourself until you actually start playing. The game can be quite fast with many people playing on a table.

Although I haven’t done this card counting before, I really agree with your point here. Observing the movement in the deck by yourself would be exhausting and can cause confusion when your concentration is hampered. As they say having a team is better than playing solo.

[FlightyPouch]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

It is, you need 100% concentration and zero distraction I don't know how these people do it but it's more of countless hours of practice and of course, you also need luck, luck that you have a good state of mind to give 100% concentration and zero distractions I read in one article that it's illegal, so you are actually doing it without anybody noticing it.

That would be really hard, for sure. You can't memorize all of the cards alone even with 100% concentration and zero distraction since first of all, you are in a casino, you will never be able to hit that 100% concentration that easily and second of all, if you are dealing with 5-6 deck of cards and its continuously shuffled. Most of the casinos hate counting because as they've said, you are gaining an edge.

[kayvie]

That would be really hard, for sure. You can't memorize all of the cards alone even with 100% concentration and zero distraction since first of all, you are in a casino, you will never be able to hit that 100% concentration that easily and second of all, if you are dealing with 5-6 deck of cards and its continuously shuffled. Most of the casinos hate counting because as they've said, you are gaining an edge.

Yes, it would be really hard, this can be done if you really can memorize so much at once or maybe if you have enough company to do it with you. Also, this is really hard to do since the casino can easily know if you are card counting even if you try to hide it because they all know how to deal with this kind of situation.

[DarkDays]

It's not simple at all, because casinos often use an unknown number of decks, which makes it difficult to keep track of how many outs have been removed from the deck.

If you're a mathematical savant, then you might be able to keep up if the casino is only using 3 or 4 decks, but you'll soon start struggling above that.

I don't think anybody really uses this system anymore, given that most casinos now have automatic card shuffling machines and are always bringing in fresh decks.

[Viscore]

It seems very simple but does it really work ? Did someone try it ??

I can't vouch for my self but I have seen cases where people get banned on a casino or ask to leave the casino if they were caught card counting and basing on how the casino owners respond to card counting it seems that it works and if the person who is card counting is left alone they have a higher chance of losing to the gambler.

If that so, you better not try.
It can be working or not but the problem is that this trick is not accepted in casinos and it finds that it was cheating against them. Actually, casinos make things to take advantage of the players (really unfair). They don't want to lose and so they don't want every gambler will trick them. But I'm not sure how it helps to increases our chance to win against the house, we already know it before it starts.

[Bezobraznike]

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its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

 it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

   Popularity of this strategy made casino owners to add more decks, it's the way they fight against card-counters. With more decks
chances for a card-counter to be accurate in his predictions are minimal, under zero probably. Nothing last forever, gambling
strategies are good for some time, but that suits casinos, people spend a lot of money in searching for perfect strategy!

[Pamadar]

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its cool that this strat was so popular and it ended up with its own movie . no casino owner will not recognized that so prolly they already came up with strat to make this counting strat impossible to work . on the past when the counting strat isnt yet popular , gamblers that knows it are lucky because they probably win alot that time .

 it is still possible to win today but the game now would only be depend mostly by luck and not by skill

   Popularity of this strategy made casino owners to add more decks, it's the way they fight against card-counters. With more decks
chances for a card-counter to be accurate in his predictions are minimal, under zero probably. Nothing last forever, gambling
strategies are good for some time, but that suits casinos, people spend a lot of money in searching for perfect strategy!

That's right, Logically house will not allow that to happened. It's a business so for sure adjustment will be done to make
sure that the business won't suffer if such strategy exist.
Casino always find ways to make sure that the gambler will not easily find  anything that will bring them advantages.
Most of the time, casino allow those gamblers to believe that they can beat the house only to find out in the end that
house played well with emotions and leave gamblers empty handed in the end.

[jrrsparkles]

Its not really simple as we see because we need to keep all the counts and also more the decks then the harder it is going to be.As far as I know this strategy is banned in every casinos and people will keep watching even your expression if you keep winning the bets and they can throw you out with this reason.

[erikoy]

Its not really simple as we see because we need to keep all the counts and also more the decks then the harder it is going to be.As far as I know this strategy is banned in every casinos and people will keep watching even your expression if you keep winning the bets and they can throw you out with this reason.

If the strategy is effective in blackjack to win then casino must have already taken measures for this to happen.

Hmmm. As I read more above that the strategy in card counting could be not effective anymore because casino were smart and use more decks to counter this strategy.

In my own opinion card counting strategy would only be a guide and not really the way it should be follow. For examole you had already held good card then why need to follow the strategy when you think you can win already? This can change the game and this is why card counting would not really be effective but it could be use as a guide to win the game.

[Astvile]

There is only one way if  this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.

[Timelord2067]

There is only one way if  this will work on you, try experimenting with small amount. But casinos will not ban card counting if that isn't effective and doesn't affect or changes the possibility of winning and losing of a player. They banned it because there are actual people who are good at it and they are making tons of money so this seem to work for some who really knows how to count cards.

I think you'll find the Casino's dealers will be keeping a mental note of who is winning and loosing (and it comes back to how many decks, deck changes, dealer changes occur while you are sitting there).

[coin-investor]

It turns out that card counting in blackjack is quite difficult when it's actually done at a casino. Even though when our practice was
smooth using the card counting strategy, but when used in casinos there are too many obstacles and pressures that make it difficult
for us to focus on card counting. So the card counting strategy really has to increase the practice, so that we can focus and concentrate.

Goof for young people who can retain their memory but how about those aged people who has a lot of issues in life, card counting is not for everyone, and you need a very high concentration and focus, you practice this almost every waking hour, I would not even think of doing this and there's a chance to get caught because physical gambling casinos prohibit this. 

[Mauser]

Goof for young people who can retain their memory but how about those aged people who has a lot of issues in life, card counting is not for everyone, and you need a very high concentration and focus, you practice this almost every waking hour, I would not even think of doing this and there's a chance to get caught because physical gambling casinos prohibit this. 

The thing with card counting is also that casinos are looking for people who exploit it and might ban you. If you stand for 1h behind a black jack table just looking very concentrated you will definitely alert the casino security. And if you then suddenly when the odds are in your favour sit down at the table and start playing for the maximum buy in, I would assume the casino asks you kindly to leave and not come back to their casino. That is why most card counters work in teams and use disguises.