Rapid shitposting attack

[Casdinyard]

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This would result in spammers finding a new convenient board to spam, clogging up the rest of the forum, and putting more work load on mods/staffs.
Imo, it's better confined to the off topic section, every board already has its fair share of spam.

But if the newbies could have a limitation of 10 posts per day and/or with an interval of an hour before they can post is I guess the better choice to lessen such shitposters and spammers. This had been a problem back then with a lot of users that either agrees with a topic, posts a single sentence, necro-bumping megathreads and cliche topics, and even posting topics (mostly in Bitcoin Discussion and Beginners&Help board) that are already posted a thousand times.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851426;sa=showPosts lol this user's post in off-topic only have 2mins interval and indeed spamming the forum. Theymos and the management must have a stronger rules against newbies. Though it might be rude for such newcomers to learn, everything (most knowledge) are already on the forum. Hence I don't found any single excuse for newbies to ask again and again.

[LoyceV]

But if the newbies could have a limitation of 10 posts per day and/or with an interval of an hour before they can post is I guess the better choice to lessen such shitposters and spammers.

Newbies already have to wait 6 minutes between posts, but Copper Membership reduces this limit. Until yesterday, Newbie trolls with Copper Membership were a rare thing. Once these get banned, it'll be quite expensive to continue making many new Copper Members, so I expect it to end soon.

And there's this:

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

[Sakhill]

So everyone who register and write something in offtopic is spammer?
You are funny, ok I understand if someone make 300 post in one day, but you are funny 

But yeah anyway, I know that I don't break any forum rule so I'm fine, but good luck with your "investigation"

[GazetaBitcoin]

I think Sakhill was smart and, for going more undercover, he didn't register just Copper accounts. I just found 5 more accounts writing in the same way and their posts are usually just above / below the ones of Kamilaz, aiguy or Lightz.

- aldanstep1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2849542
- LeDonna - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2777309
- seocrush - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851568
- proscratcher - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2579564
- DavidBut - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851580

These should be added to other three accounts, mentioned by LoyceV in the spambusters topic:
- Detrix - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833235
- TheDonBuja - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851426

Edit: I found two three more possible linked accounts:
- nathanaelung - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851549
- cutdecrap - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851131
- g2ingoin - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851756

[Sakhill]

I think Sakhill was smart and, for going more undercover, he didn't register just Copper accounts. I just found 5 more accounts writing in the same way and their posts are usually just above / below the ones of Kamilaz, aiguy or Lightz.

- aldanstep1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2849542
- LeDonna - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2777309
- seocrush - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851568
- proscratcher - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2579564
- DavidBut - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851580

These should be added to other three accounts, mentioned by LoyceV in the spambusters topic:
- Detrix - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=833235
- TheDonBuja - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2851426

You didn't answer on my question, is everyone who register now and start answering in threads in offtopic a spammer and come her to scam someone?
I mean it's funny, I can do with my money what I want so I buy copper, why not, guys who write normal post are fine for me, keep forum more active, as I said I don't agree with this ones who just posting in all threads with LQ posts, I know that my posts are not HQ but they are not LQ as well, what with people who was over years make a thousands of post in offtopic, are they all spammers...
I mean it's funny, but yeah, there has to be internet cops.

I expect of you that next answer will be that all these accounts are mine and that I try to defend them, but I don't care, just answer on my question above.

Cheers

[GazetaBitcoin]

You didn't answer on my question, is everyone who register now and start answering in threads in offtopic a spammer and come her to scam someone?

Yes. When you post that many replies within a small frametime, yes, you are a spammer. Especially when all your posts have zero value.

I mean it's funny

No, it's not. You give hours of work to the people trying to keep the forum clean: the reporters and the moderators.

I can do with my money what I want so I buy copper, why not, guys who write normal post are fine for me, keep forum more active

Guys who write normal posts are fine for anyone; if the posts have value it's even better. Unfortunately, this is not the case here.

I know that my posts are not HQ but they are not LQ as well

Yes, they are LQ.

what with people who was over years make a thousands of post in offtopic, are they all spammers...

Yes, all are spammers.

I mean it's funny, but yeah, there has to be internet cops.

Yes, otherwise normal users would be overwhelmed by spammers like you and the bunch of recent discovered accounts.

I expect of you that next answer will be that all these accounts are mine and that I try to defend them, but I don't care, just answer on my question above.

You guessed right here, that's exactly what I'm thinking.

But yeah anyway, I know that I don't break any forum rule so I'm fine

Actualy, you are breaking the forum rules - two rules. Actually, one of the rules you're breaking is the very first rule of the forum: 1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. The other rule is the 32th one: 32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

good luck with your "investigation"

Thanks! You'll need it too.

[Sakhill]

So we have discussion now here, and we can clarify that this is a spam as well, but let me tell you something, if you are call all of us spammer as we write posts in offtopic, why is that section open?
What should I write if someone want to know opinion about mouse, headphones, electric car etc.
Don't be funny, maybe they have 0 value to you, but maybe they are interesting for someone, you can't just go there and said that my post about that how I lose my weight (for eg.) it's zero value or useless, I mean if you sit with 100+kg on the front of your pc and play internet cop all day I know that is not interesting for you, but maybe for someone who want get out and lose some weight is interesting and he will have more question.

If I can be on forum let's say 1h a day, and I want answer in few thread of course I will write my answers in a row, that rule is more for that if you write in same thread 5 answers in 5 different posts, so I don't break any rule if I answering on questions.

As I said, I agree with you in one thing, and that's if someone make 300 posts a day, that's unreal and obviously 90% of this 300 posts are 0 value, but go through my post and then comment as I said, maybe for you they are 0 value, maybe for someone is interesting, you are not judge who can say what is interesting for people what is not.

If I break any rule and admin and moderators notice that I accept my punishment in advance.

[suchmoon]

I have updated the OP with the latest findings. I separated a few accounts as being less likely part of the same group or at least less spammy. I realize it's arbitrary and subjective and perhaps it just looks that way to me because a lot of their posts got reported and deleted by the time I looked at them... but I was mostly concerned about those one-lining idiots who were posting every few minutes.

If I can be on forum let's say 1h a day, and I want answer in few thread of course I will write my answers in a row, that rule is more for that if you write in same thread 5 answers in 5 different posts, so I don't break any rule if I answering on questions.

Nobody needs your "answer" on page 5 of a garbage thread like BTC is Going to "DEAD....!" Need Discussion...... Not only that, the actual content of your posts is vapid generic word salad devoid of any attempt to engage in a discussion and clearly shows that you haven't read anything that was posted earlier in the thread. AKA shitposting.

Having said that, you managed more than one line of vapid generic word salad in some cases so I put you in the less egregious list.

[Sakhill]

Having said that, you managed more than one line of vapid generic word salad in some cases so I put you in the less egregious list.

Anyway who care about your list?
If someone do that specially there is no way to stop it, just with a lot of limitation which will never happen as will affect forum to much.

If there is 5 pages of potato posts, why just me or few other profiles should be on your list
Don't get me wrong, but if you want stop it the best way is just to close offtopic, did you ask yourself why admins and moderator tolerate this?

Why admins/moderators doesn't close all these threads straight away then?

Personally I'm person who like to discuss, so if I see some thread interesting to me, and it's open, why I shouldn't post there.
There is a lot of other popular forums which in some way "force" you to post daily, did you ask yourself why?

I don't want to defend spammers but all these what I read here is funny for me. (I mean on that how you describe posts in offtopic)
Anyway good luck to anyone who want stop them.

[LoyceV]

So everyone who register and write something in offtopic is spammer?

Most probably, yes. Why would anyone join any forum only to post in Off-topic? I can think of many reasons to join Bitcointalk, just not this.

Before the Merit system, Off-topic was used by account farmers to "build accounts". Somehow some Newbies still don't know that's futile.

if you are call all of us spammer as we write posts in offtopic, why is that section open?

It's a honeypot to keep the serious boards free from spam.

What should I write if someone want to know opinion about mouse, headphones, electric car etc.

Allow me to answer this with a different question: What would you write on - say - Pet Mouse Fanciers Forum if you want to talk about your electric car?
I haven't seen this on any forum other than Bitcointalk: you don't go to a specialized forum to discuss something that belongs on another specialized forum, if you can go to the correct forum to start with. Even better: why would you join the wrong forum if it charges you $20 for your account?

[Sakhill]

Most probably, yes. Why would anyone join any forum only to post in Off-topic? I can think of many reasons to join Bitcointalk, just not this.

Well I'm here few days, why do you think that I will post just in offtopic?
Maybe I have a lot of knowledge which I can share in te future.

Before the Merit system, Off-topic was used by account farmers to "build accounts". Somehow some Newbies still don't know that's futile.

I don't care about merit, even I didn't read what they are all about.

It's a honey pot to keep the serious boards free from spam.

Then just avoid that section if you don't like it.

I haven't seen this on any forum other than Bitcointalk: you don't go to a specialized forum to discuss something that belongs on another specialized forum, if you can go to the correct forum to start with. Even better: why would you join the wrong forum if it charges you $20 for your account

?

I don't have electric car but like to discuss about them.
Maybe I have a lot of money and just like to spent it randomly?
Well if that thread is allowed here, that's mean that I'm not on wrong forum, most of forums have place where you are allowed to talk about everything, same story with this forum.

I was spent time to check that spam profiles and I can agree that most of them are just maked for spam, but anyway some of them are ok for me, but I'm not here to make decision who will stay who will not, and doesn't wanna involve myself into that, reason why I'm here because someone was link my profile and talk crap about that, so I feel that I have to include myself into that and make discussion.

[suchmoon]

Don't get me wrong, but if you want stop it the best way is just to close offtopic, did you ask yourself why admins and moderator tolerate this?

Why admins/moderators doesn't close all these threads straight away then?

Personally I'm person who like to discuss, so if I see some thread interesting to me, and it's open, why I shouldn't post there.
There is a lot of other popular forums which in some way "force" you to post daily, did you ask yourself why?

I don't want to defend spammers but all these what I read here is funny for me. (I mean on that how you describe posts in offtopic)
Anyway good luck to anyone who want stop them.

And yet you are defending spammers with a bunch of fallacies. The existence of shitty topics is not an invitation for you to contribute more shit to this forum. Moderators act when posts get reported to them and usually people don't bother reporting an occasional shitpost but when someone like you starts bumping multiple threads into our watchlists by posting eye-watering depressing garbage - you will get reported and hopefully banned eventually.

tl;dr: stop looking for excuses to post shit.

[Sakhill]

And yet you are defending spammers with a bunch of fallacies. The existence of shitty topics is not an invitation for you to contribute more shit to this forum. Moderators act when posts get reported to them and usually people don't bother reporting an occasional shitpost but when someone like you starts bumping multiple threads into our watchlists by posting eye-watering depressing garbage - you will get reported and hopefully banned eventually.

Well just avoid it then, I check your post half of that what I was check is garbage and spam, and they are not interested for me at all. Should I report that because I don't like them? No I just don't read them.
As I said all of these is funny, and I know that you want that I get banned but I will not since I don't break any rule as I said, so sadly for you, you will continue watch when we start discuss which type of salad is better for my garden and which chemical tablets are better for my pool if you get me.

And btw. I'm not that one who bumping threads  

I'm not bad person as you that I wish something bad for someone, so I wish you all the best and stay good and enjoy in internet cop job, I'm always here ready for any discussion.

[suchmoon]

since I don't break any rule

Rules are pinned at the top of this board and you should really read them. At least the first one.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Oh well, I lived enough to see that too: the spammer has guts and is patronizing DT members. Good Lord! We'll see after mods take care of the reports if they consider the salad-related et al posts to have anything in common with Bitcoin.

Rules are pinned at the top of this board and you should really read them. At least the first one.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

I told him that as well, but it seems he is reading only the salad-related posts.

But yeah anyway, I know that I don't break any forum rule so I'm fine

Actualy, you are breaking the forum rules - two rules. Actually, one of the rules you're breaking is the very first rule of the forum: 1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. The other rule is the 32th one: 32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

Excepting these, suchmoon, I think you slipped a few profiles after rearranging the OP. If you want, I can give you the full list of the discovered accounts.

[suchmoon]

Excepting these, suchmoon, I think you slipped a few profiles after rearranging the OP. If you want, I can give you the full list of the discovered accounts.

I had deliberately skipped Detrix who doesn't seem to fit the pattern of other shitposters. I've added them to the second part of the list now. Anyone else I'm missing? I have now added the usernames to the links to make it easier to see who's who.

[Sakhill]

the spammer has guts and is patronizing DT members

Jesus, this is what I was waiting for
"I'm here on forum 2,3,5,10 (doesn't matter) years and I have right to do what I want, I know everything and everyone should listen me".

I'm person who doesn't care about ranks, and I don't care who you are and what you do.
I sort people in 2 group, good and bad, and that's it.

I see where this is going so I will finish with you mr. internet cops guys, I'm too old for that potato games.
I wish you all the best, do what you want to do and enjoy.

As I said if I break any rule, send me notice and punish me if I deserve it.

Have a nice day lads.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I'm guessing all these copper members are getting divorced to participate in subscription companies. Oddly enough, this has happened more than once. They hope that Copper Member will grant them separate privileges.
The most "talkative" profile will surely be remembered by many. To everyone else, we can say: “No matter how cunning you are here, sooner or later everyone is wrong.”
This is natural, and then in case of blocking you will start screaming about your innocence. We will wait.

[suchmoon]

I'm guessing all these copper members are getting divorced to participate in subscription companies. Oddly enough, this has happened more than once. They hope that Copper Member will grant them separate privileges.

Not sure what you mean by "divorced" but yeah there is clearly at least one part of the pattern here with Copper accounts (probably as an attempt to bypass post frequency limitations and/or hoping to look more credible than Newbie) trying to fly under the radar in Off Topic and other garbage boards. They're probably not aware of LoyceV's site where they stick out like a Christmas tree in July, and the fact that some people have even the garbage boards on their watchlists so making posts across multiple boards won't evade detection either.

[LoyceV]

Well just avoid it then, I check your post half of that what I was check is garbage and spam, and they are not interested for me at all. Should I report that because I don't like them?

If suchmoon posts "garbage and spam" that doesn't fit the forum rules, then by all means: report those posts!

the spammer has guts and is patronizing DT members. Good Lord!

Isn't that a good thing? I like to hear why they post this way, I don't mind being patronized, and being on DT doesn't matter at all when it comes to spam.

Jesus, this is what I was waiting for
"I'm here on forum 2,3,5,10 (doesn't matter) years and I have right to do what I want, I know everything and everyone should listen me".

Not really, this forum gives you the freedom to say pretty much anything you like.

I'm person who doesn't care about ranks, and I don't care who you are and what you do.
I sort people in 2 group, good and bad, and that's it.

May I suggest a third group: "undecided"? When it comes to this forum, I've seen some good people, many bad people, but by far the largest category are people I know nothing about.

As I said if I break any rule, send me notice and punish me if I deserve it.

That's up to the Mods if posts get reported. Thanks for stopping by

They're probably not aware of LoyceV's site where they stick out like a Christmas tree in July

Until recently, those Christmas tree Newbies were mostly posting in Russian, so I couldn't really tell if they were spamming or not.