If we're not banning korner's alts can we at least prevent them from creating self-modded threads? They create accusations, even trust flags, then routinely delete posts in the subsequent discussions. It's quite clear that they just abuse the self-mod feature as another way to troll people (and spam via indirect notification PMs LOL).

Taking self-mod privilege away would probably remove a large part of the incentive for korner (and other proven hypertrolls like cryptohunter) to keep creating those threads. And yes, I know we shouldn't feed the trolls to begin with, etc, but honestly can we expect every user to be aware of all these disruptive sockpuppets. There should be a more direct punishment for abusing a forum feature in this way. Right now since ban evasion can't be proven to moderators' satisfaction there are basically no consequences for this. You can't even report it.

For example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215552 now has 13 posts, used to be 90+: https://loyce.club/archive/topics/521/5215552.html

User in question for those not familiar with the backstory:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155000
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211434

You have a point there...
Though I would say the abuse is locking the reference thread for the flag. He cannot add a self-mod thread as reference but instead opens a normal thread and locks it.

I propose that flag reference threads can be locked only by mods and preferably only in certain situations like when OP removed support and issue solved and there is no more useful info just spam... perhaps then. Just an idea.

To revoke forum features for some particular users might not be the right call.

They'd be forced to use and expose their other accounts. I would prefer to have them banned on sight but perhaps removing self-mod privilege after abusing it a few times (and/or the lock feature, which as Rizzrack pointed out is also being abused) would be better than nothing.


That would punishing all users for the actions of one lunatic. I'm proposing punishing (well, mildly admonishing really) just the one lunatic.


If those features are being abused beyond any reasonable "free speech" excuse then there should be some sort of limit to that. I'd be ok with the locking restrictions but it would still not prevent the perp from creating self mod threads and that is quite a nuisance even without the whole flag situation. Perhaps the limit should be one self-mod thread per 10 merits earned or something like that .

And again, the right call would be to enforce ban evasion rules until the troll runs out of clean IPs and money for copper accounts but this is not working in this case.


Read the threads referenced in the OP when you get a chance. This troll takes it to a whole new level. Sure they could still troll without self-mod, and they could create self-mod threads with new alts before they get detected, etc. But if there is at least some restriction on those activities once the sockpuppets start abusing forum privileges then I think it would have a cooling effect. Right now there is absolutely nothing to reign them in. Flags can't be reported to mods and are not moderated anyway. Locking/self-mod abuses are not really moderated either.

Right, that's the theory. Now in practice the hypertrolls figured out other ways to get the attention, such as creating frivolous flags and fake accusations and amplify them by abusing self-mod/locking. If you oppose such flags you're supposed explain yourself in the referenced thread but you can't because it's locked and there is another thread but it's self-mod. Basically people get drawn into these trolling schemes not because they really want to feed the troll but sometimes just by following good forum practices.

He also wrote this:


I don't see any reason why iamnotback would be subject to a permanban and not korner or bitcoin sv or whatever his account right now is, every single thing that theymos mentioned above also applies to him, from making a topic unusable to keeping on evading bans.

Here is the newest gem:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274890.0

I'm not a fan of Quickseller but I really doubt the accusation true. And it's a self-mod thread so you can easily guess what will happen. I'm failing to see what possible value this kind of behavior has for the forum. "Bitcoin SV" and other shitpuppets acting this way should be banned or nuked but if that's not possible for some reason - why not just stop them from creating self-mod threads.

7 of my insightful old posts criticizing BSV were deleted yesterday by the same hypertroll mentioned in the OP. I support the proposal of stopping such fudster from creating self moderated threads.

I found a similar request from 2007: Lauda should have his ability to delete posts in Self Moderated thread removed.

It has been done before:

This poster is worthless and degrades the forum considerably. No idea why its most prominent accounts haven't been given perma bans, not that it'll slow it up all that much.

I don't think removing his privilege from creating self-moderated threads will stop him for continuing what he is doing, he can simply just create a new account in order to create self-moderated threads from that point. The discussion about him on the other thread was right where just by simply avoiding the topics he created this problem wouldn't exists, just by simply not posting in his thread you aren't feeding him any kind of satisfaction for his trolling.