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- It is not a self-moderated thread, because Meta board does not allow self-moderated ones; but if one spams here, I will report spam posts to moderators.



Table of contents



Contents


Forum name
It was invented by Jeff Garzik who bought the domain. read more

Domain name(s)

Forum administrators
  • Founder and first admin: satoshi. Created this forum on Nov 22, 2009
  • theymos was promoted as one of admins in 2011 together with Gavin Andersen and sirius
  • sirius become the head admin since 2012 since the disappearance of satoshi until 2012
  • Since 2012, theymos was the head admin
  • theymos did not have any special access to Bitcointalk.org and its DNS until around 2013 not sure. It seems theymos mistakenly remembered something with time in 2012 and 2013.
  • Since still searching, forum has a second head admin, Cyrus


New forum software


Rank system
The bitcointalk.org forum created in 2019, on 22th November 2009, by now it has had three significant changes (listed below) in its rank system.
For more details, please see: History of bitcointalk.org's rank system


Merit system
1. Merit & new rank requirements
2. Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements
For more, please see:


Trust system
1. Original Trust system
2. Default Trust change;
3. Trust flags (from which we have flags that have separate and different functions than Trust, feedback, to avoid misusing)
I highly recommend the guide from LoyceV: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system
4. 5 trust feedback per user
It was applied since 2nd February 2019
OK, new limits:
 - You can't give more than 5 ratings to a single user.
 - Your total sent ratings is limited to three times your activity, but at least 1.
 - The comment length is limited to 600 characters, but each newline counts as 120 characters.


Bump changes
I am not sure when bump rules first applied, but maybe here:
1. Marketplace rules and guidelines (first version of bump rules)
2. Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]
21. Old bumps should be deleted. [2]
22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads. [8]
3. Bumping changes on some boards (bump button & bump score)
This idea to build up a bump button and bump score began here:
community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them)
An example: a bump button sounds good as a fix for certain very visible problems, but it also codifies a broken system. People would use bots to bump all of their threads constantly, giving "industrial" posters a huge advantage over casual posters. A captcha could maybe help a little, but there are services where you can pay a tiny fee to have captchas solved for you. (Which opens another question: maybe a comparatively tiny fee should be allowed as an alternative to having you solve a captcha.) A better solution would be to replace the concept of traditional bumping with something quite different, with different bumping models for different types of sections. But that requires further thought. If implementing a bump button was free, perhaps it'd be worthwhile to at least do it for now and fix a few minor problems with bumping today. But since it's a clearly-imperfect solution, this isn't even on my miles-long to-do list.
And there: Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements?
For more, please see: Bumping - Rules, FAQs


Copper membership
1. Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements
I am not sure about this one, and will check further.
2. grin is now accepted for forum payments
Later, in November 2021, theymos disabled grin as one of payment methods for Copper Membership.

Guide steps to wear Copper membership is here

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Captcha


Restrictions on newbies' PMs


Restrictions on signature in some board


Altcoin giveaways are not allowed
Giveaway threads are not allowed
15. No on-forum altcoin giveaways. [6][e]
For more, please see: Altcoin give-away rule results in temporary bans. Read before posting.


Retention/ Privacy info


Seclog changes


Account recovery changes
Old:
New:


Thread ownership can be changed
From WO, theymos considered to disable signature in some serious boards later.


Links no longer open in a new window/tab


Avatar changes


Vote changes


Badge changes


Newbie jails


Self-moderated threads
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  • If you want to make a self-moderated topic, do it at beginning. Click on Additional options, and choose self-moderated. Do it firstly before you compose content of your topic, because after a long writing time, you will forget to choose the option.
  • You can not convert a non-self-moderated topic to a self-moderated topic.
  • Convert self-moderated topic to non-self-moderated topic
    • YES, you can.
    • How?
      • Move your self-moderated topic to a board in which this option is not allowed. *
      • Archival or Meta
      • You should use Archival board for this purpose because Meta is for important discussion about the forum issues, not for your own issues, and for such conversion purpose
*: Scam Accusations, Important Announcements, and Auctions. Anyway, Archival is the best board to do so because if you use other boards for this purpose, it is abuse and makes those board like your trashcan. Should avoid.
Self-moderated topics? Can you say what boards this applies too? This is going to be bad if it is on certain boards, cause some people can edit threads to benefit them, I really hope it is just the off-topic board.

I can manually make threads self-moderated (only I can do this), but I only do this if the thread is extremely long/entrenched and the OP is trustworthy, since you are not allowed to delete any posts made before the topic became self-moderated.

Forum servers


Signature changes


Forum data dumps


Miscellaneous



Reference
The active administrators are currently:
theymos (me)
Gavin Andresen
sirius

Sirius runs the server.

It's surprising how well-documented history can become totally forgotten... Satoshi created the forum on Nov 22, 2009, and was head administrator until almost 2011. Then Sirius was head administrator until 2012, which is when I took over.

Cobra also owns the bitcointalk.org domain name. I consider the forum to be basically owned by or at least dedicated to the Bitcoin community, though; I don't call anyone an owner of the forum.

That wiki article is kind of terrible...

Of course not, do you really need to ask?

 - I was made a forum admin in 2011, after Satoshi left. (Silk Road also appeared after Satoshi left.) I didn't have any special access to bitcoin.org until around 2013, and in fact I didn't even have any access to the bitcointalk.org DNS until 2013.

There was a period where both Sirius and I were active administrators. For convenience, I reckon Jan 1, 2012 as when I became head administrator, though it was actually a gradual transition starting before and ending after that.

The story of how I became head admin is actually pretty boring. Moderators were needed, so I was made a global moderator. Then admins were needed, so I was made an admin. Then over time the other admins slowly lost interest and resigned until I was the only one left. I guess most of the people who were around here to see this have more-or-less left the community now. That's a bit sad.

It's not entirely clear, but for simplicity I usually say that I became head admin at the beginning of 2011, a little over a year after the forum was created.

The forum was originally located at bitcoin.org/smf, then forum.bitcoin.org (hence the redirect), and finally bitcointalk.org. Fun fact: The name "bitcointalk" was invented by Jeff Garzik, and he's the one who bought the domain.


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November 28, 2019, 03:47:44 PM
Last edit: November 28, 2019, 09:12:22 PM by coupable
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As usual , you made a great nice job tranthidung ☺️
All my respect Sir .

I would like to suggest adding another element to your list which is about "Local Boards" if you can collect data about them. Personally, i don't know what non-English board has been created first or when/how hire mods.
As an example , and as far as i can remember, my local board "arabic" has been created in 2017, and i think this info should be displayed in your list if you can provide further details. Same thing with other boards.
It would also be good if you can find data about first to latest created boards and sub_boards. This should also belong to the forum great changes.

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November 28, 2019, 06:21:59 PM
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i don't know what non-English board has been created first

Funny, I asked myself the same question a few days ago. For that you can look at the ids of the local section. 
For example :
Russian section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=10.0 (id: 10)
French section; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=13.0 (id: 13)
Arabic section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=241.0 (id: 241)

It will give you an idea.

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I actually went on a (mini)quest this past summer to find a thread that contained the original petition for the Spanish local board (if there was such a petition). I found it, at the time, on Meta: Please create a Local/Castellano (Spanish) forum.

Side note: While at it, I found this gem: Who's the Spanish jerk draining the Faucet?

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I think this should count as a new addition to historical change in Badge. (Although it is yet to be fully implemented)

5 art-contest-winner badges will be assigned to the winners of this voting.


Restrictions on signature in some board
The link for ‘Rules for serious discussion and Ivory tower is wrong. You might want to correct it to; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2722359.0.


Important to note that, Bitcointalk.org wasn’t a day’s job, most of the changes made resulted from ‘in-use’ challenges and from complaints from forum users. Most had to go through the polls, and some others were solutions suggested by the forum community, showing it’s a community decision. So if you’re new (or old) to the forum, you should appreciate the effort of older users and Theymos (who single handedly did the coding and Ann, except that done by Satoshi). Finally, the new software development would depend on lessons learnt here; community effort.

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November 29, 2019, 03:22:19 AM
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Thanks @Bightening for pointing out my incorrect link; @coupable, @Halab and @DdmrDdmr for creative ideas.

I listened to all your opinion, made another decent thread, so here you go, guys: History of local boards


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November 29, 2019, 09:51:53 AM
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I listened to all your opinion, made another decent thread, so here you go, guys: History of local boards
That was amazingly fast !! But how you grab all this data in a very short time !!  Organise it in a wonderful way !! You don't even seems to make a lot of edits after publish !! Anyway, this really amazes me bro.
Now, it just lacks that you add the link to local boards history here to the main list so to have a full organised list.

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November 29, 2019, 10:37:55 AM
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i don't know what non-English board has been created first

Funny, I asked myself the same question a few days ago. For that you can look at the ids of the local section. 
For example :
Russian section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=10.0 (id: 10)
French section; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=13.0 (id: 13)
Arabic section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=241.0 (id: 241)

It will give you an idea.

Seems that cannot determine the order of creation of different local boards using their Ids.
According to History of local boards which was posted by tranthidung, German board has been created on 09/10/2010 and Russian board has been created on 29/6/2011 while their Ids are 16 and 10 respectively.  

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Seems that cannot determine the order of creation of different local boards using their Ids.
According to History of local boards which was posted by tranthidung, German board has been created on 09/10/2010 and Russian board has been created on 29/6/2011 while their Ids are 16 and 10 respectively.  

Russian board was created first according to Veleor

The actual date of birthday of the Russian local is July 28, 2010

It's interesting that so many Russians have shown interest in the project. Thinking about the Russian culture and society, I'm not completely surprised why. I'll make a new board, let's see how many non-English-speaking users we'll get.

The first topic in the Russian local.
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Last edit: May 18, 2020, 10:40:12 AM by tranthidung
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I updated OP with a new section for the forum's domain name. The latest change comes from theymos. Domain name is the most important thing so despite of the section's very late creation day, I moved it to the second position. It deserves that position.

How to do private giveaways
This one will probably be implemented (from positive feedback the community members have discussed so far in that thread).

I noted it here and will updated OP when it will be officically implemented. The last reply of theymos in that thread gives us hope we will soon see its release.


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Have you guys noticesd that the "last edited" note with the time stamp is now visible while browsing on computer browsers too?
Thou no announcement was made, this new change has been around for about a couple of weeks now.



In the past, this feature was only visible on mobile devices where hovering the pointer on the timestamp of the post to see the time when the post was edited is not possible.

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In the past, this feature was only visible on mobile devices where hovering the pointer on the timestamp of the post to see the time when the post was edited is not possible.
On computer:
I don't see the change you mentioned. Maybe what you meant is after hovering mouse on the creation day of post/ thread, the latest edited day will be displayed. If it is what you actually meant, it comes from the past and is not a newest change.

On mobile devices:
The latest edited day is automatically displayed. No need for hovering mouse to see it.

Honestly, I don't know when it was firstly applied but it was an old minor feature.


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May 18, 2020, 01:31:40 PM
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Have you guys noticesd that the "last edited" note with the time stamp is now visible while browsing on computer browsers too?
Thou no announcement was made, this new change has been around for about a couple of weeks now.



In the past, this feature was only visible on mobile devices where hovering the pointer on the timestamp of the post to see the time when the post was edited is not possible.
You are really seeing  that on a computer?
Could you tell us what browser you are using and what you have done to get that?

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You are really seeing  that on a computer?
Could you tell us what browser you are using and what you have done to get that?

For me this works only if I hover over the date for specific post.
I tried with Firefox and Chrome based browsers and I am getting exactly the same result.

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It's been years since the merit system was introduced to the forum, I should have posted more so I could be a hero/legendary member before it got hard to rank up haha anyways it does not matter to me at all. Probably the change that got me bother sometimes is when I open links and I forgot to hit CTRL, it goes to different page and not tab  Roll Eyes

Changes should be adapted, that's how we progress !
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Bump  after many months!

I only knew about the restriction on a maximum of trust feedback per one user. Updated OP too.

4. 5 trust feedback per user
It was applied since 2nd February 2019
OK, new limits:
 - You can't give more than 5 ratings to a single user.
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July 20, 2021, 04:18:57 PM
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LoyceV can whitelist users as I see the announcement Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - get whitelisted for free

There are guides and rules in that topic, you must read it. Not all applicants will be whitelisted, obviously. It breaks the main purpose of Whitelisting if all applicants can easily be approved.

One more thing, you can send your Whitelist request one time. If you get whitelisted when you are newbie, later when you rank up to Full member, you will not be able to get another whitelisting.


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I write an explanation on self-moderated option for newbies

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  • If you want to make a self-moderated topic, do it at beginning. Click on Additional options, and choose self-moderated. Do it firstly before you compose content of your topic, because after a long writing time, you will forget to choose the option.
  • You can not convert a non-self-moderated topic to a self-moderated topic.
  • Convert self-moderated topic to non-self-moderated topic
    • YES, you can.
    • How?
      • Move your self-moderated topic to a board in which this option is not allowed.
      • Archival or Meta
      • You should use Archival board for this purpose because Meta is for important discussion about the forum issues, not for your own issues, and for such conversion purpose


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You can not convert a non-self-moderated topic to a self-moderated topic.
A regular user can't, but theymos can and he is the only one that can do it. But only if there is a valid reason for it. This was discussed yesterday (I don't feel like searching for the thread) and someone shared a quote from theymos where he mentioned that he has the ability to make such conversions. However, only posts made after the conversion can be self-moderated by the OP. Posts written before aren't affected and can't be deleted. 

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You can not convert a non-self-moderated topic to a self-moderated topic.
A regular user can't, but theymos can and he is the only one that can do it. But only if there is a valid reason for it. This was discussed yesterday (I don't feel like searching for the thread) and someone shared a quote from theymos where he mentioned that he has the ability to make such conversions. However, only posts made after the conversion can be self-moderated by the OP. Posts written before aren't affected and can't be deleted.  
It's interesting but reasonable because theymos can make a self-moderated topic in Meta board.  Cheesy

Do you give me a quote? I can not find it.

By the way, I found that not only Meta & Archival, but a few other boards that don't allow self-moderated topics. I am not sure why theymos did not mention Archival.
Self-moderated topics? Can you say what boards this applies too? This is going to be bad if it is on certain boards, cause some people can edit threads to benefit them, I really hope it is just the off-topic board.

The excluded sections are Meta (except for this topic), Scam Accusations, Important Announcements, and Auctions. Tagged scammers can't use this feature. You don't have to participate in self-moderated topics if you're worried about manipulation by the OP.


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