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[UmerIdrees]

Today i noticed that i received few msgs that my few posts are deleted. When i checked in my inbox, they were deleted by the topic starter as the thread was self moderated. Now when i opened the thread to see,i found the the person deleted all of the posts in the thread which was started in 2019.

Now my question is that is it allowed ? A lot of posts are deleted by this action and it will impact on the post counts too.

Here is the said thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154098.msg53425749#msg53425749

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[bL4nkcode]

When i checked in my inbox, they were deleted by the topic starter as the thread was self moderated.
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Now my question is that is it allowed ?

Yes, that's the main purpose of a self-moderated thread no matter how it affects the post counts of those who posted on such thread.

And AFAIK there's no rule against to such actions.

Here's the thread related to yours btw https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274729.0

[The Cryptovator]

Have you noticed a popup message during posting on the self-moderated thread, its seems like below,

This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.

If a person creates a self-moderated thread then he has the right to delete your post. It's not against forum rules. You should create a separate topic if you don't like to moderate by the topic starter. Most likely topic starter doesn't like your post and that's why he/she deleted your posts. We can't do anything about it nor moderators can do.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Now my question is that is it allowed ?

Everyone who started a self moderated has the right to delete all post he deemed unfit on the thread. Actually there is no restriction on the author to what kind of reply post he will delete. But I noticed on some users they putting up local rule, and remind them about the spam post isnt tolerable.

A lot of posts are deleted by this action and it will impact on the post counts too.

If the deleted post are from different week besides youe current week. I dont think you need to worry about that. Since most manager counts based on the recent post dates, and not on the number of post count on your profile. Irs unfair to rely on that, provided older post from way back was deleted.

[pooya87]

actually i'm surprised that it took the starter this long to nuke that topic after i saw the PM in my inbox. considering the fact that it was indeed a FUD topic spreading misinformation while suggesting the shitcoin known as BSV is the "real bitcoin" while "bitcoin is not the real bitcoin" just because bitcoin was improved, and it was debunked by the replies.

[hilariousandco]

That's the peril of posting in a self—moderated topic; they can remove posts at anytime for any reason. It's annoying but there's no rule against it. My suggestion would be to avoid posting in them and starting your own topic on the same subject but as a non self mod one for censorship free discussion.

[cryptoaddictchie]

That's the peril of posting in a self—moderated topic; they can remove posts at anytime for any reason. It's annoying but there's no rule against it.

Mind asking? Do you think there will be some modifications on some rules regarding self moderation? Cause there are some loophole with it.

For example, the one created it find the topic replied as "spam" or low substantial post, but the respondent against it and the community find his arguement valid, is there gonna be a way to restore it?

I know there is none rules against it for now but a revision to it could have a standard on this so community will be assured if they are really not breaking any rules. Since the self moderated thread is always subjective to authors rules. This could be bias at most cases.

[hilariousandco]

That's the peril of posting in a self—moderated topic; they can remove posts at anytime for any reason. It's annoying but there's no rule against it.

Mind asking? Do you think there will be some modifications on some rules regarding self moderation? Cause there are some loophole with it.

For example, the one created it find the topic replied as "spam" or low substantial post, but the respondent against it and the community find his arguement valid, is there gonna be a way to restore it?

I know there is none rules against it for now but a revision to it could have a standard on this so community will be assured if they are really not breaking any rules. Since the self moderated thread is always subjective to authors rules. This could be bias at most cases.

Well it's kind of the point that people can be bias and moderate it how they want but you'll have to ask theymos about any changes. The only thing I could think of that could be changed is that posts after x amount of time aren't allowed to be removed to stop people just having a fit at a later date and deleting posts from a year ago just because they ragequit, but I would just advise against posting in self-modded threads to avoid this.

[LoyceV]

A lot of posts are deleted by this action and it will impact on the post counts too.

If your post count matters for your signature campaign, you should take it up with your campaign manager to count actual posts made instead of old posts. In general, I only post in self-moderated threads from users I trust to be responsible.

Here is the said thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154098.msg53425749#msg53425749

See my archive of unedited posts I did have a post from my mobile deleted.

The only thing I could think of that could be changed is that posts after x amount of time aren't allowed to be removed to stop people just having a fit at a later date and deleting posts from a year ago

That takes away the legit use of cleaning up a topic to make it easier to read, like Lauda did here.

[jademaxsuy]

Well there is a warning that is visible when you tend to open or make a reply of a certain moderated thread. The one started the thread has the capability of deleting posts of the self moderated thread the user created. The user may be bias but this is the purpose of creating a self moderated thread to make sure that all replies ans posts will be deleted if the user sees it not necesarry even if the user will become bias in his decision making in posts the user wanted to delete.

So next time, be careful in doing reply such as self moderated threads. I know what the feeling of losing posts count because I am too a bounty hunter that even we are receiving few cents in doing bounty as long as it could be make use in daily life expenses it will matter. But the good thing is that even how hard to live life still we are not chosing the wrong path such as doing criminal acts to survive or to have a fast and easy money by scamming other users or people in real world.

Another thing is that I too learn this lesson, without you sharing this info then I can have probably the same fate as you do right now. Anyway, I think you can keep it up with posts count. Just remember too that we are in this forum to abide the forum rules. No spamming and shitposting here to be done to increase your post count. So I guess, you need to exert effort this time to make up with post count. This is life full of down and downs. LOL

[friends1980]

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Now my question is that is it allowed ? A lot of posts are deleted by this action and it will impact on the post counts too.
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As mentioned above, the warning is there, it's actually the first thing you see before you read and reply in the thread: "If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic".

This also means: if you are worried about your post count (for whatever reason that might be the case ), create a new topic.

[hilariousandco]

The only thing I could think of that could be changed is that posts after x amount of time aren't allowed to be removed to stop people just having a fit at a later date and deleting posts from a year ago

That takes away the legit use of cleaning up a topic to make it easier to read, like Lauda did here.

I'm not saying it should be done, just a possibility, but you could set it for a year or whatever. If people wanted to keep threads clean they should probably be more on top of it than doing it once a year.

[UmerIdrees]

That's the peril of posting in a self—moderated topic; they can remove posts at anytime for any reason. It's annoying but there's no rule against it. My suggestion would be to avoid posting in them and starting your own topic on the same subject but as a non self mod one for censorship free discussion.

That's the best approach and i will try to follow this.

By the way, if someone made a self mod thread, and there are thousands  of reply in it and then one day he gets mad and start deleting all of them, shouldn't be allowed i think. Perhaps a restriction can be to delete X numbers of posts per day from a self moderated thread.

[Lucius]

By the way, if someone made a self mod thread, and there are thousands  of reply in it and then one day he gets mad and start deleting all of them, shouldn't be allowed i think. Perhaps a restriction can be to delete X numbers of posts per day from a self moderated thread.

You return to the beginning after you have already received the only possible logical answer - and that is that you cannot prevent someone from deleting posts in a self-moderated thread, no matter when he or she wants to do so. If you are worried that the number of your posts will decrease, simply avoid such threads - and any restriction that would limit the moderation of such threads would actually be contrary to what is achieved by opening such threads.

Every user of this forum has the ability to delete all their posts - and since I've been on this forum some have deleted most of what they could delete - I think this is the latest example of deleting thousands of posts -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263490.0

Deleting posts, especially from OP, is quite disruptive to a forum, but it's just one of the many freedoms this forum offers.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

And AFAIK there's no rule against to such actions.

Of course there's no rule against it--a self-moderated thread explicitly means that the thread starter can delete any posts in his thread for any reason.  If he wants to delete all of them, that's his prerogative. 

By the way, I'm not surprised Bitcoin SV did that since he's a troll.  That's why I refused to post in any of his threads with the QS drama, because I figured I'd be wasting my time.

OP, you seem very concerned about post count.  I'll refrain from commenting about why that could be, but what I will say (and it's already been suggested) is that if you fear having any of your posts nuked, don't post in self-moderated threads.  Always check at the top to see if it's one of those or not.  I'll only post in a self-moderated thread if I know the OP is only trying to combat spam.  If it's a member I'm unfamiliar with or one that's a shit-stirrer like Bitcoin SV, cryptohunter, TOAA, etc., I won't waste my time.

In general, I only post in self-moderated threads from users I trust to be responsible.

Exactly.  "Responsible" is a better word for what I was trying to say.  It takes time to figure out who those members are, though, and I don't think OP was aware that any member might decide to purge his thread of all posts.

[khaled0111]

Well, this is what you get from engaging in a discussion with a troll. I think this was his intention from the beginning when he started a self-moderated thread!
He will abuse whatever privileges this forum offers to piss you off.

Regarding your post count, it's not really a big deal as long as you are working with a good campaign manager.

[acroman08]

Now my question is that is it allowed ? A lot of posts are deleted by this action and it will impact on the post counts too.

it is allowed but deleting the post of the entire thread is a little excessive
so after he deleted every post on that thread Bitcoin SV decided to create another thread and he seems pretty desperate.

Theymos please help! BSV is not scam! Stop this trolls

Theymos! We can no longer promote our project here anymore in such conditions. This forum is hostile to BSV Project! Please stop this trolls or we will have to look for other forums.

As a compromise we will ready to not claiming that CSW is Satoshi.  We will not take such responsibility. Only CSW has the rights to do so. Also we refusing of any criticizing BTC.

We are doing this for our supporters and the peace in this forum. And we are deleted all our accusatory topics

BSV is not scam. This is a good perspective project with great future.

Thank you for attention

[friends1980]

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By the way, if someone made a self mod thread, and there are thousands  of reply in it and then one day he gets mad and start deleting all of them, shouldn't be allowed i think. Perhaps a restriction can be to delete X numbers of posts per day from a self moderated thread.

I guess we all really understand you're absolutely not happy about this and I think the guy's a d*ck for trolling like this, but either the forum allows self-moderated threads, or it doesn't. Whatever reason OP has, be it scamming, trolling, or just a bad mood, is ok to delete any post. If you start to invent more rules, it's by definition not really self-moderation anymore. I think it's simply an extra warning to you, and all other members (and especially Newbies), that self-moderated topics should always raise a red flag before you start posting.

Maybe we could propose to theymos to show the "self-moderation warning" in bold or in red or so...

[RapTarX]

it is allowed but deleting the post of the entire thread is a little excessive

Not at all if you think the purpose if creating self moderated topic. Users are privileged to create sel moderated thread in order to keep a thread spam free rather then having pressure on moderators (I guess that's the purpose); although this privelge is now used as an weapon of censoring a thread.
If the purpose is to prevent spam from a thread, I guess there should be no limit on how much message can be deleted from the thread. Users should be more concerned while replying in self moderated thread.

[tranthidung]

Twitter blocked BSV BSV twitter account banned
The ANN thread on the forum was self-cleaned.

Self-moderated ANN threads for projects are never a good indicator for a transparent, and potentially good project. I know this in the past with LUXcoin project:

• Initial self-moderated ANN thread
• Second thread (non-self-moderated)

After community debate, their developers locked the initial one and create the second one with the annoucement post.

I don't promote the LUXcoin project but I would like to take it as a case study. Such change from listen to community voice on the streets does not mean the project is good. Anyway, at least their team try to open a gate for transparency, and non-censorship that BSV does not have.

I also remember some scam projects' teams behave very ugly. They trolled investors who lost money by delete all information in ANN thread, and change topic titles to some trolling emoticons, like   . It's hard to say about those developers.

The following indicators are early warnings of one suspicious project. It is not true to call any projects with those indicators are scam projects  and other things should be taken into consideration.

• Self-moderated ANN thread
• Developer account don't buy a Copper membership (to be able to post and display images)