Scientists find possible signs of life on Venus

[FatFork]

According to The Guardian, scientists believe the discovery of a rare gas in the clouds of Venus could indicate signs of microbial life on the planet.

Traces of a pungent gas that waft through the clouds of Venus may be emanations from aerial organisms – microbial life, but not as we know it.

Astronomers detected phosphine 30 miles up in the planet’s atmosphere and have failed to identify a process other than life that could account for its presence.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/14/scientists-find-gas-linked-to-life-in-atmosphere-of-venus

What do you think? Could this be the first evidence of extraterrestrial life?

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[Renampun]

this may be the first sign of other life that appears to exist beyond earth...

btw, I believe there is another life beyond the earth but our technology is still not able to reach them. I have the principle that in this vast solar system it is not possible only on earth to have life.

[Spendulus]

According to The Guardian, scientists believe the discovery of a rare gas in the clouds of Venus could indicate signs of microbial life on the planet.

Traces of a pungent gas that waft through the clouds of Venus may be emanations from aerial organisms – microbial life, but not as we know it.

Astronomers detected phosphine 30 miles up in the planet’s atmosphere and have failed to identify a process other than life that could account for its presence.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/14/scientists-find-gas-linked-to-life-in-atmosphere-of-venus

What do you think? Could this be the first evidence of extraterrestrial life?

When a chemical reaction or process resulting in an end product is not known, it would be unwise to suggest that life is the cause, simply because that is a cause we know of on Earth.



...It is also found in Jupiter's turbulent atmosphere, where it forms in the planet's hot interior and reacts with other compounds in the upper atmosphere.[16] The abiotic synthesis of phosphine takes enormous amounts of energy, such as in the planet-sized convective storms of gas giants.[17]
Phosphine has also been detected in the atmosphere of Venus, where its origin is currently unexplained. The paper announcing the discovery suggests that the phosphine "could originate from unknown photochemistry or geochemistry, or, by analogy with biological production of PH3 on Earth, from the presence of life".[18][19][20] Venus lacks the high temperatures and pressures to form phosphine the way gas giants such as Jupiter do, requiring an alternative explanation for its presence.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphine

[boyptc]

btw, I believe there is another life beyond the earth but our technology is still not able to reach them. I have the principle that in this vast solar system it is not possible only on earth to have life.

I do believe as well. With those findings IIRC on Mars that there's water, that could be a sign of another life being.

And with this discovery on Venus, IIRC on my high school class, there is a possibility that microorganisms can live on heat.

PS: I'm not good in science.

But this topic is interesting!

[Salauddin1994]

Venus is much closer to the sun than earth so its temperature is much higher that is why the animals have not yet become habitable scientists have found phosphine gas in the clouds on this closest planet to earth which has made them optimistic about the existence of life. But due to the high temperature venus may not be habitable now but life may have existed on its surface a long time ago the greenhouse effect has made the planet uninhabitable now the search is still ongoing.

[Spendulus]

Venus is much closer to the sun than earth so its temperature is much higher that is why the animals have not yet become habitable scientists have found phosphine gas in the clouds on this closest planet to earth which has made them optimistic about the existence of life. But due to the high temperature venus may not be habitable now but life may have existed on its surface a long time ago the greenhouse effect has made the planet uninhabitable now the search is still ongoing.

The atmospheric dynamics of Venus are totally different than Earth, and the concept of the greenhouse effect does not apply.

The atmosphere is very deep, such that on the surface the pressure is almost enough to liquify carbon dioxide. The temperature there is > 800F.

Any microbes that could possibly exist would be high in the atmosphere, where a suitable temperature and pressure existed for that form of life.

[Jet Cash]

I expect it will turn out to be a variant of the Corona Virus. Don't these viruses predate human life.

[FatFork]

When a chemical reaction or process resulting in an end product is not known, it would be unwise to suggest that life is the cause, simply because that is a cause we know of on Earth.

Because it was such a rare type of gas that required extreme conditions to form (as explained in the example of Jupiter), scientists were surprised by this discovery on Venus.
Let's say biological origin is currently the most logical explanation. Of course, further exploration using probes and other methods is likely to follow to confirm or refute this hypothesis.

As has already been proven, life on Earth flourishes even in the physical and chemical extremes that until recently were thought to be completely lifeless. Accordingly, I think the discovery of microbiological life in the higher atmosphere of Venus is not so unthinkable. Let's just remember that Venus in its history was a much more comfortable environment for life similar to that on our planet. It is possible that certain life forms (if they ever existed) have adapted over time to the extreme conditions as they are today.

[Spendulus]

When a chemical reaction or process resulting in an end product is not known, it would be unwise to suggest that life is the cause, simply because that is a cause we know of on Earth.

Because it was such a rare type of gas that required extreme conditions to form (as explained in the example of Jupiter), scientists were surprised by this discovery on Venus.
Let's say biological origin is currently the most logical explanation.

I don't read the facts that way.

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Let's just remember that Venus in its history was a much more comfortable environment for life similar to that on our planet....

Who says it was once nicer?

[Spendulus]

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Scientists say that something most of hit it and it reversed and slowed down its orbit. Now there are so many greenhouse gases that the temperature boils led I think. Anyway it was much more like earth before.

The surface temperature is in the range to melt lead, not to boil it.

Anyway it was much more like earth before.
No. Never. I suspect you are referring to a totally unscientific piece of dogma repeated by the climate alarmist crowd, that Venus is the result of global warming, greenhouse, blah-blah-blah.

It has massive sulfuric acid clouds that trap and reflect solar energy in the cloud layers. The surface is 97 times that pressure of Earth.

Venus RECEIVES far more solar energy than Earth. It's closer to the Sun. The sulfuric acid and the temperatures would make short work of any microbes trying to survive, wouldn't they?

[FatFork]

Anyway it was much more like earth before.
No. Never. I suspect you are referring to a totally unscientific piece of dogma repeated by the climate alarmist crowd, that Venus is the result of global warming, greenhouse, blah-blah-blah.

Venus may have had a shallow liquid-water ocean and habitable surface temperatures for up to 2 billion years of its early history, according to computer modeling of the planet’s ancient climate by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

source: Venus May Once Have Been Habitable | NASA

[Spendulus]

Anyway it was much more like earth before.
No. Never. I suspect you are referring to a totally unscientific piece of dogma repeated by the climate alarmist crowd, that Venus is the result of global warming, greenhouse, blah-blah-blah.

Venus may have had a shallow liquid-water ocean and habitable surface temperatures for up to 2 billion years of its early history, according to computer modeling of the planet’s ancient climate by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.

source: Venus May Once Have Been Habitable | NASA

To get to that conclusion, they have to set pre existing conditions that would allow liquid water on the surface. In other words, they have to set pre conditions that would create the desired outcome. But even then, it's a very weak assertion.

Sun output = 30% less --> Solar irradiance on Venus = 40% higher than current Earth. Do you really believe you'd have oceans here with 40% higher solar?

Actually, if they had oxygen in either Venus or Mars atmosphere, that would be a signal of life. But both have high co2, which indicates the opposite. All that's left to search for under category "life" is microbes that are anaerobic and/or live in high sulfur conditions.

Now let's go back to the headline. "Venus may once have been habitable."

Really? That "early 2 billion years" is a continual rain of asteroids, hellish conditions of continual volcanos... it's the planet becoming a planet, aggregating. So if it has a lot of water, that water becomes water vapor. Huge amounts of it, just like now Venus has huge amounts of co2.

In the absence of a magnetosphere, the solar winds would strip the H20 and other volatiles apart, and ultimately you'd be left with the tail end of the energy equation, CO2. And that's what you have on Venus.

With enough mass in the atmosphere (initially h20 if you like), the surface pressure would easily force water vapor into liquid form. That's a steam boiler, not an ocean. Evil Kneivel's rocket was just that, superheated steam.

Earth is by definition in the 'habitable zone'. Venus and Mars are not. Note that the known fact that Mars had ancient oceans is contrary to the hypothesis of an ancient dimmer sun. If anything, it would indicate an ancient stronger sun.

[cabron]

It could be just us up there. Those gases are leftovers when started to colonize  earth lol

Actually this is what I have watched on the Ancient Aliens which some theories they mentioned was that we came from other planets and that we just came here on earth to mine Gold and so on. Funny but if its true this could mena we lost a lot of technology that we learned from the past.

It still hard to go on Venus if the gases there confirmes that its a liveable place. Must be hotter there as venus is closer to the sun.

[de_ingenious]

I'm not surprised at all. I mean, considering the size of the universe, it's pretty dumb to assume we're the only ones here. Anyway imo it doesn't matter that much, we've got our own battles which are within ourselves. 5g of shrooms and all these quistions will be eliminated (and multiplied at the same time, lmao)

[Spendulus]

It could be just us up there. Those gases are leftovers when started to colonize  earth lol

Actually this is what I have watched on the Ancient Aliens which some theories they mentioned was that we came from other planets and that we just came here on earth to mine Gold and so on. Funny but if its true this could mena we lost a lot of technology that we learned from the past.

It still hard to go on Venus if the gases there confirmes that its a liveable place. Must be hotter there as venus is closer to the sun.

We can go to colder places, but it's hard to go to a place that's 800F.

Because there's no atmosphere, Mercury is cooler than Venus. We could go to Mercury. Strange, really.

[squatz1]

According to The Guardian, scientists believe the discovery of a rare gas in the clouds of Venus could indicate signs of microbial life on the planet.

Traces of a pungent gas that waft through the clouds of Venus may be emanations from aerial organisms – microbial life, but not as we know it.

Astronomers detected phosphine 30 miles up in the planet’s atmosphere and have failed to identify a process other than life that could account for its presence.

source: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/sep/14/scientists-find-gas-linked-to-life-in-atmosphere-of-venus

What do you think? Could this be the first evidence of extraterrestrial life?

When a chemical reaction or process resulting in an end product is not known, it would be unwise to suggest that life is the cause, simply because that is a cause we know of on Earth.



...It is also found in Jupiter's turbulent atmosphere, where it forms in the planet's hot interior and reacts with other compounds in the upper atmosphere.[16] The abiotic synthesis of phosphine takes enormous amounts of energy, such as in the planet-sized convective storms of gas giants.[17]
Phosphine has also been detected in the atmosphere of Venus, where its origin is currently unexplained. The paper announcing the discovery suggests that the phosphine "could originate from unknown photochemistry or geochemistry, or, by analogy with biological production of PH3 on Earth, from the presence of life".[18][19][20] Venus lacks the high temperatures and pressures to form phosphine the way gas giants such as Jupiter do, requiring an alternative explanation for its presence.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphine

Yeah..... I really doubt this is going to end up being something.

Literally just something that hits the news every so often that people eat up. Don't know if people are more interested in finding another place to go and live if we are to use up all the resources here, OR if they're just interested if in if there's some sort of alien live somewhere.

But yeah, this fascination with life elsewhere doesn't make sense to me. The amount of time it would take for another society / civilization to get here would be insane. Nothing that is really possible with this level of technology.

[FatFork]

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But yeah, this fascination with life elsewhere doesn't make sense to me. The amount of time it would take for another society / civilization to get here would be insane. Nothing that is really possible with this level of technology.

The question of the origin of life remains one of the most challenging scientific issues of all time. This is one of the questions mankind has wrestled with since the dawn of time.
The discovery of life 'elsewhere' may not completely solve this problem but it will certainly answer many important questions. In particular, is the origin of life a 'one time' event or has it happened (is happening) constantly around us? How widespread is life in the universe? And is there even a possibility of developing an intelligent life 'out there' in the vastness of the universe?

[Spendulus]

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But yeah, this fascination with life elsewhere doesn't make sense to me. The amount of time it would take for another society / civilization to get here would be insane. Nothing that is really possible with this level of technology.

Either sentient creatures exist at various places in the Universe, and each is within a space time bubble that effectively limits it from contacting the others, or some of them have developed methods of communication or travel that overcome the light speed limitation.

Of "methods of communication" the simplest would be a means of signaling that would essentially say "We are here!" Far more difficult and unlikely would be everything requiring physical transport of biological creatures. Even getting to 9/10 lightspeed is incredibly difficult and for travel between stars, too slow.

Finding microbes on Mars or Venus would solve nothing. They could have gotten there from Earth, or from comets.

[BADecker]

God created life about 7500 years ago. Standard Bibles record it as being about 6000 years ago. But the Septuagint Greek Old Testament (250 BC), and the Hebrew O.T. copies Josephus used, show the record that flows to about 7500 years ago.

If there is life on Venus in the way that it is being talked about in this thread, it came from here somehow. Otherwise it is simply wrong ideas that hopeful, irreligious scientists are using to gain more time to make more stories that have no real backing.

HOWEVER, there is one other possibility, though it is very unlikely. Whatever the angels are, they exist in outer space in many different places. Some of them have life in ways that are similar to ours, and life on earth. It is possible that they contaminated Venus with their life somehow.

The point is that this whole story about possible life on Venus is far from having any real evidence, and extremely far from being proven.

[squatz1]

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But yeah, this fascination with life elsewhere doesn't make sense to me. The amount of time it would take for another society / civilization to get here would be insane. Nothing that is really possible with this level of technology.

Either sentient creatures exist at various places in the Universe, and each is within a space time bubble that effectively limits it from contacting the others, or some of them have developed methods of communication or travel that overcome the light speed limitation.

Of "methods of communication" the simplest would be a means of signaling that would essentially say "We are here!" Far more difficult and unlikely would be everything requiring physical transport of biological creatures. Even getting to 9/10 lightspeed is incredibly difficult and for travel between stars, too slow.

Finding microbes on Mars or Venus would solve nothing. They could have gotten there from Earth, or from comets.

Yeah when I was talking about this level of technology, I was talking about the level of technology that WE are at as humans. I'm personally not going to theorize about the possibilities of other technologies and what they've achieved. Totally possible for them (if they exist) to be much further in communication / travel, but no evidence currently exists to further that claim.

You're right about the communication being the best way to just let people know we're here (or they're there). Traveling to them is a different story.