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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods
and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers
its good idea?
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September 14, 2020, 08:33:02 PM |
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So you're suggesting an extreme communistic society, which is entirely controlled by a central authority, while the citizens are giving resources uniformly with no consideration for their different needs or productivity levels? Such a society is not viable, neither would it be sustainable. As humans we are inherently different and have different gifts, abilities and occupations, grouping everyone into a uniform voucher would limit growth as there is no reward for hard work or excellence. There is also the hazard of giving full authority to an individual or government, which would breed corruption.
Not such a good idea, imo. If money is the root of evil, giving the responsibility of handling and distributing it to someone else would not solve the problem.
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How can those vouchers be generated? Money isn't the root of evil, it is the love of money that is. Imagine a society where there is no competition, no reward for labour and how can they be fair judgement when it comes to choice, want and needs?
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September 14, 2020, 08:55:22 PM |
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Calling those paper coupons "vouchers" instead of Euros or Dollars does not stop them from being money.
Also would this mean that all goods and services are offered by the state? Because unless the state takes those vouchers out of circulation when spent in the (state-run)market, some people will start accumulating them as they sell more popular goods or offer more popular services than others.
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September 14, 2020, 08:59:59 PM |
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The state Can make all the equal life to everyone.
If the rulers of the state are honest themselfes and Don't steal!
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September 14, 2020, 09:11:13 PM |
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Like people will receive "equal" amount for them to buy food and other goods? What can you say for the ones making all those goods? Would you think that it will be equal for them? Like people who create and process foods will just receive vouchers in exchange for the things they created for you. I don't think that's a good idea. In this way I think corruption will be a thing that people will always try to take advantage of a system where people's lives will depend on vouchers. This won't really improve the world we have now tbh.
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September 14, 2020, 09:50:29 PM |
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It's going to be the same thing as money. Nothing is changed by replacing money with vouchers but sooner you will also say voucher is the root of all evil. Money is all been around since the dawn of time. If we wanna erase money the system has to be changed and provide all to everyone like free electricity, water, and food because with all these, people wouldn't be forced to toil.
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September 14, 2020, 09:50:53 PM |
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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods
and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers
its good idea?
Good idea for lazy people, who want to receive "vouchers" and money without working. The lack of incentives to be productive is a big problem in those socialist/communist societies. They all failed due to lack of innovation and very low productivity. Human beings need good incentives to work, innovate and be productive. A society which does not incentive innovations is doomed.
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September 14, 2020, 10:07:54 PM |
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Actually is just an object created by humans to be able to have a system of payment just like the old times. If you were saying that money is the root of evil, then I guess you must be blaming people for creating such evil for humans have created this thing. On the other hand, money is not really the root of the evil. It is the toxicity being build up on the minds of people using money. The wants of obtaining too many money make people become greedy which results for them to make such actions that are inhumane on which they will lure or fool other people and do illegal activities for the sake of acquiring money for their own greater good. Money is just an object being used but the act of people is really what is the evil thing that have existed because of their state of mind that they have.
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Its a good idea but it cannot be possible because it only teaches the community to be just passive, non-productive and rewardless. I agree that Money is the root of all evil deeds, but Money really makes the whole world round and we must admit that we really need money to eat and move forward in life, it's the #1 above all necessities.
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September 14, 2020, 10:27:00 PM |
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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods
and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers
its good idea?
I thought you are studying economics haha lol the voucher you are saying, I mean your suggestion as means of buying goods is also a money. You are just going to replace fiat currency with vouchers as if it is not pegged 1:1 to a currency. People will work for that 'voucher' like fiat money, people will run after it like fiat money, people will die for it like fiat money. We can achieve perfect equality in the society, in any aspects that's for sure.
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September 14, 2020, 11:06:09 PM |
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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods
and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers
its good idea?
I thought you are studying economics haha lol the voucher you are saying, I mean your suggestion as means of buying goods is also a money. You are just going to replace fiat currency with vouchers as if it is not pegged 1:1 to a currency. People will work for that 'voucher' like fiat money, people will run after it like fiat money, people will die for it like fiat money. We can achieve perfect equality in the society, in any aspects that's for sure. no fiat currency will still exist but nobody is not allowed to have fiat currency you can weight the value against fiat currency but there is no money on hands. nobody will not have money only there is money value. so you want 100$ voucher thats fine but money not existing only vouchers wich will be buying product and vouchers as domestic services lets say you wan to pay for hookers then you do so with domestic service vouchers so those vouchers have money value but you can not use them on shops or other then just domestic service it can also means that can be swapped with each others. offcourse you can change the voucher to shop and food ones.
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and if you want something more then others you do just one merit and you get rewarded.
the whole process and transparency is run by blockchain techoninolgy so there is no cheating and whole algorytm is created for whole system and once the algorymt is created the key to access this will be destoryed on eyes the witnessses so everybody will its fair deal.
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September 14, 2020, 11:15:53 PM |
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Its a good idea but it cannot be possible because it only teaches the community to be just passive, non-productive and rewardless. I agree that Money is the root of all evil deeds, but Money really makes the whole world round and we must admit that we really need money to eat and move forward in life, it's the #1 above all necessities.
I think the root of all evils is definitely the greed of people towards money. Even if money won't be available anymore and will be replace by vouchers, the system would still be the same unless people would learn not to be greed anymore. I believe also if these basic things in life for survival would come out free, then money or vouchers would not be a big issue but i guess this is too far to be true.
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September 14, 2020, 11:19:48 PM |
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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods
and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers
its good idea?
Human nature is the root of evil, money is just a representation of everything of value. If money didn't exist, humans would still desire to have more than they do. This greed is not because of money, money is just one way to measure it. Greed for objects we don't already have is human nature. Vouchers are just a substitute for money in this case. And centralizing the authority to distribute money/vouchers would create far more destructive tendencies and trying to keep everyone equal would require suppression of the masses. No, it's not a good idea.
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September 14, 2020, 11:49:00 PM |
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You just can't do that in a free country. Because there will be people who will be subjective into that implementation.
Whether you have good intentions with this but there are certain implications that it can give. It will still be the same and nothing will change as mentioned by heretik.
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If designing a program to eliminate money from food production industry were the goal. - Governments cede land towards the purpose of growing crops
- Homeless populations are given the option of farming and growing food on said land on a volunteer basis in exchange for benefits: room, board, food, job training, education, internet access, transportation, etc
- The growth and production of food is overseen and regulated by professionals on a volunteer basis
- The public is allowed to procure a limited number of food items at no charge, or significantly reduced cost
There is much that can be learned by growing fruits and vegetables. Communal gardens and community based farming programs could also be great options.
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September 15, 2020, 02:03:42 AM |
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Now here you can't just blame a medium for humans being humans. The root of evil is Greed, not money. Imagine if we did as you said, used food vouchers, with greed it'd basically be the same issue with money. Equal amount? Equality then? I'm pretty sure the government is already doing such things, albeit skewed a bit, but nonetheless, I'm pretty sure most of us experience equality with financial support. Blaming money for being evil, is basically like blaming a knife for killing someone, sounds stupid right? That's how you sound. Also if we were just to tackle food issues, it'd be a lot better if a central government were to handle everything, mostly on how they should distribute food equally on every family without any bias.
Mediums aren't evil, humans are, one way or another. If you really wanted to collapse the root of evil, your first step should honestly be the eradication of the entire human population. Equality isn't really a thing that could be fulfilled all the time, so if you're on to that, it's better to ask for justice instead of equality or equity, though with corrupt people filling up the higher-ups, I doubt it's going to happen that much.
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September 15, 2020, 02:44:47 AM |
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The voucher is just temporary.
You can't stop people buying with the use of the money because their main objective is to use this without hassle for just the main payment.
You cannot blame them because still most of our transactions are with the use of the cash also with a salary so they can't have any choice is to use the physical money.
Also, we are heading towards right now to make into all-digital payment so expect this we can use the physical money or with the online payment.
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September 15, 2020, 03:03:28 AM |
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Money cannot be the root of evil it will usually depend on us nothing can be done without money but there is no need for vouchers. If it has the right steps it is possible to buy everything with money people who consciously create their lives understand that there are no extra pieces to accept that what is happening is for your continued growth and evolution. Learn to greet life with a smile instead of fighting with extra energy use your strength to attract rather than resist.
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