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September 15, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
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Hey, we have a copy-paste-monkey among us who creates threads with the speed of printer. Without adding a single word of his own this CPM  combines contents from different sources and adds reference links at the end as camouflage. He’s either too lazy or a man with low IQ who is unable to add any useful info. But none of that is    a privilege to spam the forum.  Why he is doing that… wise LoyceV made the point

It's often used ….. just to increase post count.

And I would continue him  “and merit count” What do you think?

Oh, I'd forgotten to introduce him. Meet Ratimov, UID link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2627711

His last "gems" that deserve shitposting/spam tag
1)   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275538.msg55187463#msg55187463
2)   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275952.msg55199485#msg55199485
3)   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275952.msg55199485#msg55199485
4)   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275714.msg55193428#msg55193428
5)   Just give a glance to his profile

Notice, in 1) he explicitly broke the plagiarism rule

After revealing his plagiarism https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575 , he tagged me twice next days. LOL.  Maybe it will puzzle  him a bit more but I'm not a part of his imaginary farm.

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September 15, 2020, 04:52:05 PM
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After revealing his plagiarism https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575 , he tagged me twice next days. LOL.  Maybe it will puzzle  him a bit more but I'm not a part of his imaginary farm.
He replied to you in that thread, and though I haven't looked any deeper than the links you posted, I have a feeling what you reported was not in fact plagiarism.  I could be wrong--but the mods haven't acted on it, and they're the ones who will decide if you were right or wrong.

I'd also add that not all of Ratimov's posts are like the ones you linked to in the OP.  I checked his merit history because I knew I'd given him a few merits here and there, and he can and does write original content that isn't just a huge article with a citation at the end.  The last merits I gave him were for a thread he started, calling out a scam, and it looks like he put a lot of work into the OP of that thread--and I'm not the only member who merited him there, by the way.

Ratimov isn't a shitposter, and I'm not convinced he's a plagiarist.  Not sure why you've built up such a grudge against the guy.

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September 15, 2020, 05:03:21 PM
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I don't think Ratimov is such an user; his merits prove that he is a decent user. But whatever you said is true, then I would say he deserves a warning or temp ban as he cntributes nothing to the forum (unlikely though). There are a few others who are doing this for what LoyceV said.
Nevertheless, did he tag only because you reported that? It seems like you have been accused of someone's alt. Is that true?

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September 15, 2020, 05:10:13 PM
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I haven't looked any deeper than the links you posted, I have a feeling what you reported was not in fact plagiarism.  

In fact it was. Look deeper,  he made copypaste of English phrase, verbatim and litteratim, not giving a reference link. But even this doesn't matter, he is spamming by copypasting content created by other authors and this is pinnacle.


Nevertheless, did he tag only because you reported that? It seems like you have been accused of someone's alt. Is that true?


Maybe it will puzzle  him a bit more but I'm not a part of his imaginary farm.


just match the dates

upd. just made a glance on  profile of that guy , to whom I am credited as alt, LOL, could have picked up someone better.

upd, upd LOL, he’s  trying to change the subject
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September 15, 2020, 05:24:42 PM
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Ratimov isn't a shitposter, and I'm not convinced he's a plagiarist.  Not sure why you've built up such a grudge against the guy.

Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?


Or another example how he copies big walls of text from article into his topic.It is just copypaste with no effort.

Augur is a very complicated system, so if you want to find out all the little details of it you should look at their whitepaper. For a high level understanding let’s review a simple case of using Augur.

- Anyone can create a market. Essentially, this is like asking a question that can be either a multiple choice question or, for the sake of simplicity, a binary question. For example, Will 1 BTC be worth more than 1,000,000 USD by end of day December, 31st 2020.

- Until the market ends (December 31st, 2020), anybody on Earth can bet on either “yes, it will be worth more” or “no, it won’t be worth as much”.

- When the market ends the person who created a market will act as the oracle for it.

- If they provide the truthful answer there is nothing that needs to be done. Simply wait until the dispute period is over (3-10 days) and collect your payout.

- If they provide a wrong answer, or somebody disagrees about a technicality (e.g. there was no timezone specified, so which price over a 24 hour period should the oracle pick?), a dispute gets opened and that’s where the $REP tokens come into play.

REP token holders act as judges in this case and they vote on which outcome they think is the right one, and the majority decides on which outcome the system will think is correct. Those who have voted for the correct outcome get a financial reward, those who voted for the wrong answer do not. This financial incentive for every vote, combined with “Augur is working and trustworthy = REP price goes up”, is what secures the Augur decentralized oracle.

To summarize, in Augur whoever created the market acts as the oracle, and the REP token holders act as judges in a court - they review disputes and make sure that oracles do not liep-


In article it looks like this
https://www.saturn.network/blog/what-is-a-blockchain-oracle-review-of-makerdao-augur-and-chainlink/

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Augur is a very complicated system, so if you want to find out all the little details of it you should look at their whitepaper. For a high level understanding let’s review a simple case of using Augur.

Anyone can create a market. Essentially, this is like asking a question that can be either a multiple choice question or, for the sake of simplicity, a binary question. For example, Will 1 BTC be worth more than 1,000,000 USD by end of day December, 31st 2020.
Until the market ends (December 31st, 2020), anybody on Earth can bet on either “yes, it will be worth more” or “no, it won’t be worth as much”.
When the market ends the person who created a market will act as the oracle for it.
If they provide the truthful answer there is nothing that needs to be done. Simply wait until the dispute period is over (3-10 days) and collect your payout.
If they provide a wrong answer, or somebody disagrees about a technicality (e.g. there was no timezone specified, so which price over a 24 hour period should the oracle pick?), a dispute gets opened and that’s where the $REP tokens come into play.
REP token holders act as judges in this case and they vote on which outcome they think is the right one, and the majority decides on which outcome the system will think is correct. Those who have voted for the correct outcome get a financial reward, those who voted for the wrong answer do not. This financial incentive for every vote, combined with “Augur is working and trustworthy = REP price goes up”, is what secures the Augur decentralized oracle.

To summarize, in Augur whoever created the market acts as the oracle, and the REP token holders act as judges in a court - they review disputes and make sure that oracles do not lie.

He mentioned that article as source but what is the point in copying big walls of text into forum and this is not exception he do that all the time.
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In fact it was. Look deeper,  he made copypaste of English phrase, verbatim and litteratim, not giving a reference link. But even this doesn't matter, he is spamming by copypasting content created by other authors and this is pinnacle.
Before you accuse other people of plagiarism you must see something applied by the Bitcointalk forum owner.

Read carefully and understand the contents, the essence of the rules of Plagiarism.

Common rule violations

These are the most common rule violations that newbies make. There are other rules than these.

  • Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

What Ratimov did was not the fault and offense as you are accusing.

So, let me ask you again.
Did Ratimov do what is stated in the above rules, if he did and put the source or changed some words, Ratimov's answer does not qualify as a plagiarism violation.

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So, let me ask you again.
Did Ratimov do what is stated in the above rules, if he did and put the source or changed some words, Ratimov's answer does not qualify as a plagiarism violation.

once again

.. he made copypaste of English phrase, verbatim and litteratim, not giving a reference link.

Follow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575 and bother yourself to read to the end of that thread,   try to comprehend what is saying there.
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September 15, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
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Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?
Point is he included the links in his articles. That's what matters. Creating brand new accounts in a bid to try to trash someone's account or reputation is a waste of time. Try doing something more productive outside the forum instead.

And i don't see any problem with his articles, most of them are informative and interesting to read through

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Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?
Point is he included the links in his articles. That's what matters. Creating brand new accounts in a bid to try to trash someone's account or reputation is a waste of time. Try doing something more productive outside the forum instead.

And i don't see any problem with his articles, most of them are informative and interesting to read through

Bitcoin_Arena , let me see if I understand, you see no problem in his plagiarism found over there? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575   
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September 15, 2020, 08:36:16 PM
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Unfortunately, that's what the Merits prostitutes do a lot, especially in the Beginner and help section

They copy-paste other articles but add a link at the end of their post to not be blamed. If we were all doing the same the forum would be a mess. (oops hold on, the Beginners and help section IS a mess) Sometimes they copy-paste topics that have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies, I reported so many topics and have all been moved to Off-topic
Funny thing I have see some doing the same but figured finally they have no clue what they're talking about. They just know how to copy-paste Grin

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And finally, about my topics. I have never claimed authorship, my goal on the forum is to learn something from others myself, and what I find on the Internet is what I share.
I do think you can improve upon this:
The date of writing the Russian article, which I have indicated in the sources: 29.07.2020
I think you can/should improve on the way you use references. First: "on the internet", plagiarism and copyright violations are widely used and often more or less accepted. Bitcointalk is the only forum I know that bans users for plagiarism.
In the academic world, plagiarism is probably the worst sin you can commit: everything you use from someone else should get a reference. Even then, you should only copy something verbatim if it's said in such a way that you can't do it justice by changing the wording, and if you do quote someone, you should use "quotation marks" together with the reference.
Bitcointalk is a bit weird in this respect, and falls in between "the rest of the internet" where nobody cares about anything, and academics, which is very strict on plagiarism. If you copy an entire article and just post a link below it, it's totally fine on Bitcointalk! I don't think this is right though, and apart from plagiarism it could also be considered a copyright violation. It's often used for advertising or just to increase post count. I think there should be a forum rule against "link dumps" like this.
The proper way to show an external article would be by giving a short summary, or quoting a short relevant part, followed by a link for further reading. But I don't think there's much much discussion value if you create a new topic solely for an article on another website. I probably wouldn't do it myself.

If you use several different articles as reference (by copying text directly, by translating text or by paraphrasing), I think you should add a reference to each part. If you use a source many times, you can use for instance super script numbers ("[1]") (like Wikipedia).
If you create a very long topic, but only show the sources after clicking Page Down 21 times, it looks like you wrote it by yourself until I finish reading. If you copy data from other websites, it should be obvious to the reader that you did this. If someone stops reading before reaching the end, he'll never see your sources.

Let me put it this way: if you (or anyone else) would use my text in such a way, it wouldn't feel like you do justice to the effort I put in.
If you improve on your referencing, you'll also avoid giving anyone an excuse to create topics like this.

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Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?
Point is he included the links in his articles.

Those are not his articles he just copypasted other articles. You should read LoyceV explanation why it is not enough to just share reference link in the end.


If we were all doing the same the forum would be a mess. (oops hold on, the Beginners and help section IS a mess) Sometimes they copy-paste topics that have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies

This is why he and everyone else should stop with this because it doesnt add anything to the forum and just makes mess. Copying few paragprahs and leaving own commnet is fine i think, but not copying walls of texts.


If you create a very long topic, but only show the sources after clicking Page Down 21 times, it looks like you wrote it by yourself until I finish reading. If you copy data from other websites, it should be obvious to the reader that you did this. If someone stops reading before reaching the end, he'll never see your sources.

I am sure that many think he wrote those topics by himself and only used source links as inspiration or that he took few sentences. But when you check it, you see he is just copying big chunks of text.You dont even have to know anything about the subject to make topics like that. Every newbie that dont know anything about cryptocurencies can do it.


When I was doing this article, I used a large number of articles

You should understand that what you are making cant be called article as you are copying text word for word from others.


But I am not a native English speaker, and therefore will have to use auxiliary tools in many places. Well, why spoil the text with good English, replacing it completely with your bad English

But you are translating all those topics you make into russian, and now you say that you have bad english. How can you translate all those topics into russian if your english is so bad?This doesnt make any sense.


But I will take note of your words, I will soon release a large guide to UniswapV2, where I will apply a slightly different approach to citations from the original. Thank you for your opinion.

If you dont understand something good enough that you can explain it in your own words you shouldnt make guide.But you are unaware of that, so you keep making few topics each day, and wrongly calling them your articles.

You are too  lazy to write them on your own or you dont know subjects very well so you are just copying.I appreciate more those that write guides or topics using their own words no matter how good their english is than what you are doing.
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When I was doing this article, I used a large number of articles, because one article contains an interesting piece, another article contains something interesting, the third article adds something that was not in the second article, and so on. I spent a whole day on editing and additions. And if you try on this tag for each quote, then the whole article will shine with these references.
That is indeed what scientific papers do.

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According to my observations on this forum, who makes compilations from articles into one big one, never use this system from Wikipedia. Everyone uses links to sources either at the beginning of the article or at the end, but I have not seen any links to sources in the article.
I know it happens a lot, but that doesn't make it right.

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And you can think anything you want when the goal is just to cling to something and inflate the drama out of it, as this bot farmer did.
Probably, but despite who the messenger is, I still think he has a point. And you can avoid giving him that pleasure by improving your references.

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Here the question is more in rewriting. That is, there is an opinion that it is better to write the entire article in the form of a retelling in your own words than just copy the finished text.

But I am not a native English speaker
Maybe a combination of "quotes" with proper references, and rewriting (or even better: creating a summary) of the rest?

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How many articles I have published in both English and Russian, I received more words of gratitude than reproaches, which means that almost everyone is satisfied with everything in my articles and guides.
Of course, and nobody questions you're posting useful things here Smiley

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But I will take note of your words, I will soon release a large guide to UniswapV2, where I will apply a slightly different approach to citations from the original. Thank you for your opinion.
Great! I don't think you should be banned over this, but if you use it to improve, that's an absolute win.

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Ratimov isn't a shitposter, and I'm not convinced he's a plagiarist.  Not sure why you've built up such a grudge against the guy.

Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?

The thread was 100% cooy pasted but he provided the link to the author which is enough to make him innocent of  plagiarism charges against him.

Follow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575 and bother yourself to read to the end of that thread,   try to comprehend what is saying there.

I can see that you have reported the thread why dont you let the situation rest and wait for the moderators to do their job as usual.

Please take look at his topic from few days ago. He copied article 100% and then just added source,like that solves anything.Imagine if everyone is doing that  just copying articles and opening new topics?

How do Crypto exchanges stack up based on different metrics?
Point is he included the links in his articles. That's what matters. Creating brand new accounts in a bid to try to trash someone's account or reputation is a waste of time. Try doing something more productive outside the forum instead.

And i don't see any problem with his articles, most of them are informative and interesting to read through

Bitcoin_Arena , let me see if I understand, you see no problem in his plagiarism found over there? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575   
The article source was still included in the thread and according to theymos statement concern copy and paste he's still not guilty. Although, it show the thread was edited 4 hours after it was created but the archive you provided still proof him innocent.


Ratimov, i will advise you to follow LoyceV statement because this issue seems to be more than exposing JaneAhonen etc farming/troll activities.

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September 16, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
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I think for improvement, can move the list of sources to the top, or write at the beginning that I am not the author.
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But I am not a native English speaker, and therefore will have to use auxiliary tools in many places.


And in English I have words, but I don’t know where to put articles, how to correctly build a sentence, and so on.


You said it yourself, Ratimov, and this proves once again that the perfect English phrase (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575) which  verbatim and litteratim  is the same as in the article of other author not been alluded to amid your references list is nothing else  than  a copypaste piracy named a  plagiarism, commonly.



LoyceV, you are “as wise as an owl”, as ever. But what about  plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575) found in one of his “essays”? Should it be forgiven and named "ratimov's exclusion case". There have been no exceptions to the general “plagiarism” rule, yet. The least he deserves is the temporal ban for 6-12 months to think  things over, or you have a different view?


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But what about  plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575) found in one of his “essay”?
That's up to the Mods Smiley

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Lauda didn't get banned after (years old) plagiarism was found. It varies per case.

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LOL, once again you've confirmed the handle to your name, CPM, shitposter and

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Russian is Greek for me, but  I found English phrase from other author that perfectly matches yours which means you pass it off as your own.

But what about  plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55189575#msg55189575) found in one of his “essay”?
That's up to the Mods Smiley

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There have been no exceptions to the general “plagiarism” rule, yet.
Lauda didn't get banned after (years old) plagiarism was found. It varies per case.

Wise-owl-man! Probably Lauda's case was prior of that rule, and, yeah, Mods  should make their own decisions as to  Ratimov's  fresh case.

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September 17, 2020, 12:20:40 PM
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I have seen that the summary of everything happing here is plagiarism, i noted that loyceV and Ratimov comments is emphasising on translation,use of English language and plagiarism.
It's audible to the deaf and clear to the blind that English languages is some how hard to comprehend and also hard to translate, for someone to translate topic does not mean its an island of knowledge its based on level of understanding, I have not seen atoms of plagiarism if some one translate a post.

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I do not know what happened here, but I think that OP is right, since his evidence is quite convincing

Plagiarism is very bad thing, despite the merits of the user which is under discussion
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