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[mitchr4]

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Do you think for a gambler who has been successful gambling within the period of the World Cup will be willing to easily give up gambling and not see it as another source of income, after all if they can be successful in the World Cup bets, what stops them from being successful betting on other competitions?

I think even if someone feels successful in one moment like the World Cup, that does not mean it will happen again and again. Relying too much on that short success in other competitions is actually risky, because the confidence from that moment can make a person forget the limit, so more losses might happen.

[drangos]

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Do you think for a gambler who has been successful gambling within the period of the World Cup will be willing to easily give up gambling and not see it as another source of income, after all if they can be successful in the World Cup bets, what stops them from being successful betting on other competitions?

I think even if someone feels successful in one moment like the World Cup, that does not mean it will happen again and again. Relying too much on that short success in other competitions is actually risky, because the confidence from that moment can make a person forget the limit, so more losses might happen.

It is easy to become complacent and feel you're onto a winning streak after a successful World Cup betting session. But a winning World Cup doesn't mean a solid income. The World Cup is a one of a kind event. and betting odds can differ from those of regular leagues and other events. The big mistake many gamblers make is that once they succeed they think. If I can win then I will keep going, and I will increase my stakes and of course. Make more mistakes.Many gamblers go through the same cycle after a win. They believe that they will keep winning and increase their wagers, inevitably resulting in taking more losses. The idea of gambling with discipline and not too many expectations is better than making all winnings temporary successes and still gambling.

[#CapsLOck]

The FIFA World Cup runs for 39 days, and it takes 21 days to build a habit, so it means any gambler who has been gambling on all the games is at danger of addiction. You have to be cautious with gambling; gamble responsibly.

Building a gambling addiction habit is not a Month action but that should also depends on the commitment of the gambler it can take less or more. Some people like World Cup more than Club-side matches, so that person who is gambling in the world cup might not have the interest to gamble in other leagues. So the addiction might end in the World Cup. And is it possible for a gambler to bet on all the matches? Definitely, he would skip matches.

One person might only place bets during the World Cup and easily stop once it's over, while another will find an excuse to gamble year-round.

Do you think for a gambler who has been successful gambling within the period of the World Cup will be willing to easily give up gambling and not see it as another source of income, after all if they can be successful in the World Cup bets, what stops them from being successful betting on other competitions?

Winning in a World Cup can certainly help a gambler feel more confident. But confidence doesn't necessarily equate to a long-term advantage. A short tournament is a short sample and can fool an individual into thinking that he/she has identified a consistent income source. After the World Cup. The situation changes with each league as it has its own teams schedules. And dynamics, and profits are less predictable. It is this reason that many players keep playing the same success and end up losing more than they had won. It is still better to view gambling as a pastime than as a viable way to make money.

[Rruchi man]

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Do you think for a gambler who has been successful gambling within the period of the World Cup will be willing to easily give up gambling and not see it as another source of income, after all if they can be successful in the World Cup bets, what stops them from being successful betting on other competitions?

I think even if someone feels successful in one moment like the World Cup, that does not mean it will happen again and again.

How many gamblers do you think can have or maintain the clarity of mind to think and know that one successful moment in gambling does not guarantee repetition?

Success in many cases can be blinding, and it can trigger a gambler into ignoring the truth or overlooking risk and consequences. There are gamblers who started gambling more and continuously because they experienced quick success in gambling, and that triggered their belief that they will win again; many gamblers are on this table.

[Davidvictorson]

Success in many cases can be blinding, and it can trigger a gambler into ignoring the truth or overlooking risk and consequences. There are gamblers who started gambling more and continuously because they experienced quick success in gambling, and that triggered their belief that they will win again; many gamblers are on this table.

I disagree partially with your first statement.
That should be wining the jackpot for the first time and not success in gambling. To achieve success in gambling by my metric, you need to have had many years of gambling experience to the extent that you truly control your game without any reliance or influence of a third party.To me that’s how I define success. On the flip side, what I think you describe in the second sentence is irresponsible gambling which I strongly discourage.

[Rruchi man]

Success in many cases can be blinding, and it can trigger a gambler into ignoring the truth or overlooking risk and consequences. There are gamblers who started gambling more and continuously because they experienced quick success in gambling, and that triggered their belief that they will win again; many gamblers are on this table.

I disagree partially with your first statement.
That should be wining the jackpot for the first time and not success in gambling.

Winning the jackpot is also success in gambling, and if you classify success in gambling as being able to maintain control over your game without reliance on a third party, you are not wrong. Also, two truths can exist, and if that is success for you, success could mean something else for another person.

Some gamblers need to be very careful of themselves after they win from gambling, not even before they are able to win.

[Unsoldier]

Success in many cases can be blinding, and it can trigger a gambler into ignoring the truth or overlooking risk and consequences. There are gamblers who started gambling more and continuously because they experienced quick success in gambling, and that triggered their belief that they will win again; many gamblers are on this table.

I disagree partially with your first statement.
That should be wining the jackpot for the first time and not success in gambling. To achieve success in gambling by my metric, you need to have had many years of gambling experience to the extent that you truly control your game without any reliance or influence of a third party.To me that’s how I define success. On the flip side, what I think you describe in the second sentence is irresponsible gambling which I strongly discourage.

I doubt that even years of experience will allow you to completely control the game. You can learn to manage your emotions better, stick to limits, and avoid impulsive decisions, but you still can't control the randomness of the games. I'm not sure that casino outcomes depend on a player's experience at all. Experience might help you avoid mistakes, but it won't make you rich from gambling.

[jayce]

It was my mistake for not checking the feedback given by KTChampions and nutildah. Well, I saw a $50 risk free bet promo, I deposited, won and tried to withdraw it, and it asked me to do turnover wager. Did that even though the balance is reduced, and hell they are asking my document. For just $130. Not a smart attempt for that amount of money, with the irony, I made them the signature design

[OcTradism]

Did that even though the balance is reduced, and hell they are asking my document. For just $130. Not a smart attempt for that amount of money

It's not your good experience but I feel like it a long time: KYC has become more popularly used on many services, from centralized exchanges to online gambling sites. If in their service's ToS, there are terms for AML and KYC, even they say things like no KYC at account registration but there are special cases when KYC will be used, it's risky.

Such terms imply that KYC will be used in the future, not always means to use against users but with users it is always a risk that if they don't do KYC, their money will never be processed.

With small fund, if you did not do KYC before funding your account, you are not ready to do it now, the highest possibility is accept to lose it.

Why KYC is extremely dangerous - and useless.

[TopTort777]

It was my mistake for not checking the feedback given by KTChampions and nutildah. Well, I saw a $50 risk free bet promo, I deposited, won and tried to withdraw it, and it asked me to do turnover wager. Did that even though the balance is reduced, and hell they are asking my document. For just $130. Not a smart attempt for that amount of money, with the irony, I made them the signature design

Now what, your account is "broken" now? Next time you make deposit and want to make a withdrawal, you will hit complete KYC ? If you were there not for a risk free bet promo, but instead deposited and played as usually, do you think you will be asked to complete KYC before withdrawal? If "$50 risk free bet promo" triggers automatically KYC, then it is not fair. I would say it was a huge trap.

[Catenaccio]

Now what, your account is "broken" now? Next time you make deposit and want to make a withdrawal, you will hit complete KYC ? If you were there not for a risk free bet promo, but instead deposited and played as usually, do you think you will be asked to complete KYC before withdrawal? If "$50 risk free bet promo" triggers automatically KYC, then it is not fair. I would say it was a huge trap.

It's KYC trap and if users don't want to do KYC, they have to accept to lose all their money. Or if they try to bet more, and win money, what will be different at the end if they want to withdraw money. Possibly KYC will be requested for a second withdrawal case too. Clearly many people don't want to do KYC, sacrifice their identity and privacy for some bucks and possibly many platforms know that.

Several times I read cases like this, and many legendary members in this forum are against it with a common reason as said, they don't want to do it for withdrawing just small fund. In addition, likely there is another fear, what if they do KYC but will be still unable to withdraw fund.

So terms like "We will request KYC from you IF ..." is unsafe for users, it's like very big IF.

[Rruchi man]

If "$50 risk free bet promo" triggers automatically KYC, then it is not fair. I would say it was a huge trap.

It will be fair to let people who are interested in such promos to understand fully what they are about to get into and what may be required of them. That is transparency and it should be encouraged in the casino business because When gamblers get to discover that KYC is required for them to be able to claim a win they get from such promotions they begin to have a second opinion of the casino as them having an ulterior motive or them directly trying to discourage the user from trying to claim their win. That's not a good image for a casino to have.

Transparency is important.

[iv4n]

It was my mistake for not checking the feedback given by KTChampions and nutildah. Well, I saw a $50 risk free bet promo, I deposited, won and tried to withdraw it, and it asked me to do turnover wager. Did that even though the balance is reduced, and hell they are asking my document. For just $130. Not a smart attempt for that amount of money, with the irony, I made them the signature design

Did you try to contact them on the forum? Maybe their representative can do something about this...

KYC is, and will remain, a controversial topic. Especially in crypto casinos. It feels like a trap every time because they are doing it selectively... we don't even know what can trigger it. It seems that every casino has its own rules about it.

A few times I gave up the balance because I didn't want to complete KYC... I simply tried to make a lot more with crazy bets/bonus buys, but that never happened, so I simply stopped playing. In some other cases, I decided to stay on the site and went through the KYC process. I guess it all comes down to whether you wish to continue playing on this site or not...

[pawanjain]

Do you think for a gambler who has been successful gambling within the period of the World Cup will be willing to easily give up gambling and not see it as another source of income, after all if they can be successful in the World Cup bets, what stops them from being successful betting on other competitions?

It's just one of the possibilities but not necessary to happen. If a person wins bets on world cup matches, it does not necessarily mean he will win bets on other matches too.
Matter of fact it can just be that he was lucky. If he is indeed that skilled then he will surely try it out in other matches too.
If he keeps winning in other matches then may be he is indeed that talented but then he will keep on winning again and again and will eventually get banned by the casinos.
No casino will like a person who is keeping on winning and taking away their profits.

[MusaMohamed]

Did you try to contact them on the forum? Maybe their representative can do something about this...

I see jayce already left a negative trust feedback on the BetFury account, but it was left 3 days after a last active day of the representative account. Perhaps the person manages that account has yet seen the negative trust feedback as well as any PM sent by jayce.

Let's wait for the account to be active again, then we will know BetFury ignored this case or reply cooperatively with jayce, and if there is noting wrong from jayce, a payment is mandatory if BetFury want to defend their company reputation.

KYC is, and will remain, a controversial topic. Especially in crypto casinos. It feels like a trap every time because they are doing it selectively... we don't even know what can trigger it. It seems that every casino has its own rules about it.

A few times I gave up the balance because I didn't want to complete KYC... I simply tried to make a lot more with crazy bets/bonus buys, but that never happened, so I simply stopped playing. In some other cases, I decided to stay on the site and went through the KYC process. I guess it all comes down to whether you wish to continue playing on this site or not...

KYC if can be pulled out anytime when user submit a withdrawal will be like a trap. If it is a big withdrawal, user can feel it deserves to KYC and have privacy loss but if it is small, they will more likely accept money loss and don't do KYC like jayce and you for example.

This topic remains its value over time.
Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless.

[Haunebu]

It was my mistake for not checking the feedback given by KTChampions and nutildah. Well, I saw a $50 risk free bet promo, I deposited, won and tried to withdraw it, and it asked me to do turnover wager. Did that even though the balance is reduced, and hell they are asking my document. For just $130. Not a smart attempt for that amount of money, with the irony, I made them the signature design

Crazy irony that you designed such a great signature for them and they actually did this to you. Their signature design is one of the best that I have seen personally so far. Am not really surprised about the KYC stuff though since they are extremely KYC happy.

Never trusted their promotions/offers and their customer support is easily one of the worst ones out there. There are far, far better alternatives out there.

[jayce]

It's not your good experience but I feel like it a long time: KYC has become more popularly used on many services, from centralized exchanges to online gambling sites. If in their service's ToS, there are terms for AML and KYC, even they say things like no KYC at account registration but there are special cases when KYC will be used, it's risky.

Such terms imply that KYC will be used in the future, not always means to use against users but with users it is always a risk that if they don't do KYC, their money will never be processed.

With small fund, if you did not do KYC before funding your account, you are not ready to do it now, the highest possibility is accept to lose it.

Why KYC is extremely dangerous - and useless.

Yeah KYC in gambling is still on the grey area, though there are many big casinos out there that offer No-KYC thing, at least for a small withdrawals.

Now what, your account is "broken" now? Next time you make deposit and want to make a withdrawal, you will hit complete KYC ? If you were there not for a risk free bet promo, but instead deposited and played as usually, do you think you will be asked to complete KYC before withdrawal? If "$50 risk free bet promo" triggers automatically KYC, then it is not fair. I would say it was a huge trap.

Well I just leave that for now. No point for me to do KYC, since the risked balance is not that worthy. Im not sure if the KYC gets activated just because of the promo, but that could be the reason, which I was able to withdraw $32 a day before. And yes, that's technically a trap.

Did you try to contact them on the forum? Maybe their representative can do something about this...

KYC is, and will remain, a controversial topic. Especially in crypto casinos. It feels like a trap every time because they are doing it selectively... we don't even know what can trigger it. It seems that every casino has its own rules about it.

A few times I gave up the balance because I didn't want to complete KYC... I simply tried to make a lot more with crazy bets/bonus buys, but that never happened, so I simply stopped playing. In some other cases, I decided to stay on the site and went through the KYC process. I guess it all comes down to whether you wish to continue playing on this site or not...

Referring to OP's last active, and the negative feedbacks he has received before, I dont think that's worth to do, nor making a proper complain thread on reputation board. Unless if he decides to be active again on bitcointalk, and has good intention to solve all problems his project has, then I'll be happily to discuss the solution. For now, I simply follow what you did, just let the balance go. Just have no idea why they risk their own reputation here with as small as $130.

I see jayce already left a negative trust feedback on the BetFury account, but it was left 3 days after a last active day of the representative account. Perhaps the person manages that account has yet seen the negative trust feedback as well as any PM sent by jayce.

Let's wait for the account to be active again, then we will know BetFury ignored this case or reply cooperatively with jayce, and if there is noting wrong from jayce, a payment is mandatory if BetFury want to defend their company reputation.

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KYC if can be pulled out anytime when user submit a withdrawal will be like a trap. If it is a big withdrawal, user can feel it deserves to KYC and have privacy loss but if it is small, they will more likely accept money loss and don't do KYC like jayce and you for example.

This topic remains its value over time.
Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless.

Nah I dont send any single pm to him, referring to his last active and how the previous issues handled.

Crazy irony that you designed such a great signature for them and they actually did this to you. Their signature design is one of the best that I have seen personally so far. Am not really surprised about the KYC stuff though since they are extremely KYC happy.

Never trusted their promotions/offers and their customer support is easily one of the worst ones out there. There are far, far better alternatives out there.

Ikr Haunebu! I thought they were super legit, but yeah KYC isnt an illegal thing in gambling. At least it could be another lesson for us to do extra check before playing in some casino.