Boris is right a second lockdown could cripple UK economy.

[beerlover]

The cartoon is actually quite on the nose for many many things in the world. Right now things are not as bad but if nobody does anything about it it will become bad and because it is not bad right now nobody does anything about it. Same with climate as well, it is already bad right now, Australia burned down a lot, California burns down every few years, things are not looking good, but people still don't do anything about it for some reason, we need to do something in order to prevent a catastrophic situation but since we are not there yet people do not react enough.

Since not that many people are dead and economical breakdown would look worse for a government, they do not do anything about it. If they do, economy will be worse and that would be horrible.

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[CODE200]

It will surely affect the economy of UK the moment that they will try to impose another national lockdown for operations being implemented to somehow work on recovering the economy will put into stop once again which will make the economy cripple. But not implementing lockdown knowing that there are lots of positive cases of covid-19 is also an alarming concern that is in need to take some action because is not acted accordingly, can also brought up a more severe negative effect on the economy of UK. Instead of doing such nationwide lockdown, why not do just implement lockdowns into those place with lots of cases only so that other places won't be affected and can continue the operation for the economic recovery of their country. Both economic and health concern must be paid attention and no one must be compromised so better yet do act accordingly just implementing lockdown only on certain place so economy can still continue its recovery and at the same time cases of infected individuals can be taken into control.

[jaysabi]

The symptoms of this sickness can vary from no symptoms to the "God take my life end my torment" levels. Normally I would give it a go to the herd immu thing but knowing that the heavy virus loads can make you go through hell makes me skeptical about it.

To gain immunity to covid19, your body should fight and win against it first.

I don't know if that's the risk I would want to take. It kinda sounds stupid to me right now because it is not clear what I am going to lose during the fight against the virus. If I knew I was going to win 100% without losing half my lungs, I would go for it. Right now I would rather wear a mask and keep my social distance and as long as there are people like me, herd immunity won't work.

I know people personally that fought and won against covid19 and they became diabetes or started to use statins after the battle which in my opinion translates to -10 years from your life span.

It's also a false premise to present this as a binary outcome where people either get the virus and die (1% mortality) or recover, and so the risk is only in that 1% mortality rate.  That's absolutely not the end of the risk.  We already have evidence the virus affects other parts of the body, and sometimes severely, and doctors and researchers continually say that it likely affects the body and organs in ways we still don't know and won't be evident for years.  The complications for those that "recover" can last a lifetime, and so to ignore all the non-death consequences of contracting the virus is one way anti-maskers and those who downplay the virus are being either disingenuous or downright stupid.

[Emitdama]

I feel sorry for any country that is planning to go for another lockdown at this time, it seems the first one didn’t teach them enough lesson. The first lockdown was very bad for the economy of countries around the world, and it caused their economy to break badly.

In my country during the lockdown a lot of people were strongly against it, because it caused things to become pretty messed up, unless you have got millions and billions stored in your bank, that way you can do anything you want even during the lockdown, but it’s a very bad thing for the economy as a whole; prices for a lot of things went up and everything, even foodstuffs, were costly. But, after the lockdown things has gotten cheaper again.

[jaysabi]

UK was under lockdown for many weeks. Around 40,000 people lost their lives during this lockdown period. So what makes the critics think that another lockdown may reduce the mortality rates? The initial lockdown was successful in slowing down the community spread. But now community spread has been reported from almost all the British counties. Any new lockdown measure will have very limited positive outcomes. On the other hand, such measures can cripple the economy, to a point of no return.

All lockdown measures slow the spread of the virus.  That's not debatable, it's proven.  The virus cannot spread when infected people are not near uninfected people.  Anyone who has the virus got it by being close to someone who had the virus.  Citing 40,000 people dying despite lockdown ignores how many people would have died if not for the lockdown.  There isn't a data set in the world that shows that quarantine measures had no effect on the spread of the virus.

If you want to debate if the lockdown is worth it, that's a separate discussion, but there's no debating that lockdowns reduce the number of deaths from the virus.

[rexxarofmoknathal]

While I understand that covid effects are dangerous, but UK’s economy currently is fragile, and shutting it now could completely cripple whatever is left of their economy, hence I support Boris call that UK should not do a fresh lockdown.

I'm not sure I agree with either of you. This is a fragile time and if the government doesn't act in a more invasive way the thread of the virus will not only threaten the economy as a whole but will affect everything else including more hospitalisation, more deaths etc. This period so close to winter is crucial, and the restrictions that Johnson imposed are no different to the ones that the public should have been following up until now anyway.

In order to prevent all the massacre that is to come, I feel tougher restrictions and better policing need to be put in place, as people are deliberately not following the rules.

[bryant.coleman]

I'm not sure I agree with either of you. This is a fragile time and if the government doesn't act in a more invasive way the thread of the virus will not only threaten the economy as a whole but will affect everything else including more hospitalisation, more deaths etc. This period so close to winter is crucial, and the restrictions that Johnson imposed are no different to the ones that the public should have been following up until now anyway.

In order to prevent all the massacre that is to come, I feel tougher restrictions and better policing need to be put in place, as people are deliberately not following the rules.

The pandemic is already 6-7 months old in many of the countries and I don't believe that lockdowns will help in reducing the spread now. The virus is present in the air and the chances of getting infected are high even if you stay at home. I would say that at this point a fresh lockdown sounds completely unnecessary. It will have no impact in reducing the number of new infections, and on the other hand it will destroy the already weakened economy.

[adzino]

Yes he is right. Another lockdown could cause a serious harm in the UKs economy. It is not just the case in UK. Every countries that had strict lockdown rules faced some major economic crisis. Further lockdown might even crumble the economy. Now it is totally up to them how they control the situation.
But if only people listed and followed the restrictions like wearing masks in public and keeping some sort of social distance. But nope, people won't do that! They would rather "die than the government control them".

[jrrsparkles]

I'm not sure I agree with either of you. This is a fragile time and if the government doesn't act in a more invasive way the thread of the virus will not only threaten the economy as a whole but will affect everything else including more hospitalisation, more deaths etc. This period so close to winter is crucial, and the restrictions that Johnson imposed are no different to the ones that the public should have been following up until now anyway.

In order to prevent all the massacre that is to come, I feel tougher restrictions and better policing need to be put in place, as people are deliberately not following the rules.

The pandemic is already 6-7 months old in many of the countries and I don't believe that lockdowns will help in reducing the spread now. The virus is present in the air and the chances of getting infected are high even if you stay at home. I would say that at this point a fresh lockdown sounds completely unnecessary. It will have no impact in reducing the number of new infections, and on the other hand it will destroy the already weakened economy.

Lockdown might helped in reducing the number of cases a lot if it got implemented in the right way but lot of countries just announced their lockdown without prior announcement so people gathered a lot and stacking things in the early months of 2020.The virus is not present in the air but it can travel through air and cause you to be infected when there is someone who is having the virus near you.

[verita1]

It is clear that the UK is experiencing a second wave of Covid19 infections. According to what was experienced at the beginning of the pandemic, the UK has a central plan "Winter Economy Plan", with this plan the government intends to support businesses and workers.
Support for workers.
Tax cuts and deferrals
Give bussinesses flexibility to pay back loans.
Investment in public services.

In my opinion it is a good plan and classified as the most generous in the world because now the government is more experienced by what it experienced at the beginning of the pandemic and because it is necessary to recover the economy that has been affected by the coronavirus.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-outlines-winter-economy-plan

[Yey09]

Second lockdown will kill economy of any country. I really hope that people understands this

[mindrust]

Second lockdown will kill economy of any country. I really hope that people understands this

What people don't understand is,

"What is dead may never die."

or

"Omae wa mou shindeiru"

[Jet Cash]

So what is the general conclusion in this thread? Has anyone pointed out that most of the population has built immunity now, and that means that crippling vaccines aren't needed. We need a knicker wetting panic to get people back into the mindset of allowing themselves to be vaccinated, or all that money that was given to the rich Pharma companies, and could have been used to save lives, will be perceived as wasted.

[jaysabi]

So what is the general conclusion in this thread? Has anyone pointed out that most of the population has built immunity now, and that means that crippling vaccines aren't needed. We need a knicker wetting panic to get people back into the mindset of allowing themselves to be vaccinated, or all that money that was given to the rich Pharma companies, and could have been used to save lives, will be perceived as wasted.

Most the population most certainly does not have immunity first of all. No country even has a majority infected to be said to mostly have immunity. The number infected still represents a very small minority of any geographic population. On top of this, there is no consensus that those who have been infected are immune to reinfection. And on top of that, the virus is known to be rapidly evolving as it moves through the population, so even if you are immune to one strain, you could be infected by another.