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September 18, 2020, 05:46:32 AM
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But when it comes to a safe asset part , there is literally a lot of problems that one has to take into account.

- Volatility is here to stay
It always has been, but it has shown pretty positive growth, for the past year, plus, it isn't like the banks are actually in a good situation right now, so it's probably a better risk for them to actually invest in Bitcoin instead of letting it sit as a fiat. Besides, if this investment of theirs were to show growth, that's a big thing for them, but the same could be said vice versa.

Also it seems like they also did invest in the past? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268180.0 Looked around since the name MicroStrategy was quite familiar with me. So is it this, plus the amount said in the article OP said, or is the one from the OPs article a total of the Bitcoin they bought? Since if it was added, then it'd obviously exceed their cash reserves of $500m but if it was total, then it seems to add up properly.

As I understand from the article,  $425 million is total amount of money they invested in btc.

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September 18, 2020, 05:49:31 AM
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This is old news, and initially there was many threads about this, so you can use the search function to read those discussions if you're interested.

My opinion, it's better not get hyped, this is just one company, and we don't see many other big companies following it. It's kinda reckless to think that Bitcoin is a safe heaven in case US dollar falls, because this idea has never been truly tested, so it's just a big bet. The whole idea is based on Bitcoin's scarcity, but scarcity alone is not a guarantee of value.

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September 18, 2020, 10:26:09 AM
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It's good to know that big companies are now investing in bitcoin but if they think bitcoin is a safe asset,  I think they re wrong. First,they need to consider that bitcoin is volatile ,anytime their investment either increase or decrease. It's really good to invest in bitcoin ,no doubt it but we always think very well putting all money in bitcoin. Wht if government will suddenly ban bitcoin and crypto exchanges? It could be a big problem for every company that look at bitcoin as a safe asset.

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September 18, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
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nowadays gold and bitcoin are new type of assest people are investing in
crypto currency is the future for new investment

I have a friend who told me that he saw cryptocurrency as the new form of Stock exchange. I couldn't just believe him but that is also what I see since people don't really see the value of Bitcoin for peer to peer transaction but rather see Bitcoin as a safe haven for investment. Anyway, as long as I keep using Bitcoin, I am convinced that I also contribute to its development. With regards to this, there could be a possibility that big tech companies will create their own token instead of stock as cryptocurrencies are more accessible to people.

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September 18, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
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Bitcoin can be an extremely profitable investment but I disagree about investing in bitcoin as a safe asset.
Everyone understands that investing in the crypto and bitcoin markets is a risky investment. You can see bitcoin go up to 20000 $ also see it drop to 1000 $ in just a short time.

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September 18, 2020, 11:53:29 AM
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When you think, using "safe asset" word for Bitcoin could be strange. In the end, Bitcoin is volatile and fiat money isn't. However, fiat money can always be manipulated easily or go down in value while an economic crisis. But there is no such thing that a government etc. can control Bitcoin. In an economic crisis, Bitcoin will be better choice compared to fiat money.

In terms of a safe haven, we need to accept the fact that bitcoin is not the same as GOLD.

To secure your future, you need to invest in Gold because that's a long term asset and not volatile like bitcoin.

But some of the big companies are still investing in Gold as a safe haven because bitcoin is new to them. Bitcoin should be manipulated depending on the market and a sudden changes or spike in its price should be monitored so that you know when to make transactions. Maybe some companies thinks that bitcoin is one of the way to reduce the suffering from economic crisis.

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September 18, 2020, 02:20:18 PM
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I am sure that many of them hide the fact that they invest in crypto. This is plan b, after all.

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September 18, 2020, 02:41:28 PM
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This has pointed out that bitcoin has been accepted  by all circles, I heard there are several firms/companies who start to buy bitcoin for investment purpose and it will give a good effect for bitcoin.

Bitcoin has a unique function, they can still it for payment system, sending money and an asset. Comparing to gold, bitcoin is more useful then it. So why, there will be many companies who will start to safe their money into bitcoin. Moreover with this crisis economic situation bitcoin can be made as an alternative to safe their money.

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September 18, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
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It looks like the number of people who believes in Bitcoin is continuing to increase. Although I find the word "safe asset" for Bitcoin not too related, I think Bitcoin is a very good choice in the long run. The profit amount could be very high compared to investing in fiat money.

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September 18, 2020, 03:36:12 PM
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Bitcoin is the most risky asset from the safest list, heh
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September 18, 2020, 03:43:39 PM
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As we already know that Bitcoin us an avenue to invest money that is not in use for a particular period of time, so therefore, companies can invest in Bitcoin to save money that they don't intend to spend aside from running capital and concurrent capital in order to keep the company running and to avoid bankruptcy.
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September 18, 2020, 04:26:15 PM
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Behind is an abbreviated translation of my own post here in the Croatian section of the forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276508.0
I believe that the facts presented are of greater importance to the wider bitcoin community, so I decided to transfer my post here (in English).

The owner of one large firm (MicroStrategy Inc), worth more than $1 billion, the so-called "unicorn" decided, driven by inflation and uncertainty around the dollar and fiat currencies, to invest in bitcoins as a "safer investment."
He believes it is not safe for the company's cash reserves, about $500 million to keep in fiat and he has decided to invest that money in bitcoin.
According to the report, he bought a total of 38,250 Bitcoins at a purchase price of $425 million.
So something new has started here, and when this becomes a trend, and other companies also start investing in bitcoin as a "safe asset" I think we will see a sharp rise in the value of bitcoin and a drop in the value of fiat currencies.

You can see the full article here (in Croatian): https://crobitcoin.com/unicorn-kompanije-kupila-bitcoin-za-425m-dolara/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=news

What do you think?
I have mixed feelings. For one, I'm sure other companies invested in Bitcoin before, even if not such a big (for the company) amount of money. Another point is that I really don't think Bitcoin make a good safe asset. The price can crash, and then these investors will be devastated and will hate Bitcoin, but I'd say that Bitcoin is not for such purposes, so relying on its overall long-term stability or even growth was their fault. I think it's too risky to put half of what a company's worth into Bitcoin, and this could lead to terrible consequences both for companies that make this risky move and for Bitcoin when the money gets aggressively pulled out after some of such investors start losing money.

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September 18, 2020, 04:31:10 PM
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When you think, using "safe asset" word for Bitcoin could be strange. In the end, Bitcoin is volatile and fiat money isn't. However, fiat money can always be manipulated easily or go down in value while an economic crisis. But there is no such thing that a government etc. can control Bitcoin. In an economic crisis, Bitcoin will be better choice compared to fiat money.
If they wgovernment or big companies such as those managed or owned by many, having bitcoin can help them aslo shows transparency, at these time that the stock market is I still affected by the economy situation due to pandemic, the only asset that makes some investors earn is thru trading crypto. It may not be the safest assets but it is not really affected by the economy of the country that makes it safer to invest too when they know how to managed it well too.

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September 18, 2020, 04:34:20 PM
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This is long back expected, but now with the prevailing economic downfall companies have come up with the plans of investing on cryptocurrency. I don't know whether it is true or not, long back itself large scale firms started to invest on cryptocurrencies indirectly as there is more legal framework required for investing.

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September 18, 2020, 04:44:09 PM
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I am sure that many of them hide the fact that they invest in crypto. This is plan b, after all.

When were talking about big public companies, they can't. Since most of these companies has investors, they'd have to publicize their financials, and their investors definitely deserve to know if a certain company they've invested in made a speculative bet.

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September 18, 2020, 04:44:37 PM
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As we already know that Bitcoin us an avenue to invest money that is not in use for a particular period of time, so therefore, companies can invest in Bitcoin to save money that they don't intend to spend aside from running capital and concurrent capital in order to keep the company running and to avoid bankruptcy.

Good to see even the companies have started adopting or investing in bitcoin during this time and may be this number will continue to grow. Only thing I fear if at a point of time all this companies or few if  they happen to sell together then it will be a huge chaos in the market as will drastically fall and then to add more panic sellers will also come into picture.

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September 18, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
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I wouldn't consider Bitcoin a safe asset to be honest. Although it has gained for more days than it has lost, it is also prone to extremely erratic price swings that can absolutely tank a portfolio.

Most companies aren't willing to risk losing more than 20% in a week, as is commonplace with Bitcoin's erratic swings. Remember, these people are answerable to their community and their investors.

If their investors see they've just last 20% in a week, even if it is part of a longer-term strategy, they will almost certainly vote to sell the asset and actualize their losses. Most investors don't understand crypto, and don't understand its long-term potential.

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September 18, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
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Bitcoin is the most risky asset from the safest list, heh
Huh ? Risky and safe at the same time ? You mean to say people think that btc is safe or in other words legit because they think that its not going to scammed them but safe in a way that their money will not fall , well they got it wrong . Bitcoin is risky not in a way that it can burst like a real bubble but it's only risky because it's value is verry unstable . Those new companies who joined the alliance of crypto are a new addition to the past and  existing companies that already invest in cryptos . That's nice because we are growing

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September 18, 2020, 05:18:01 PM
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When you think, using "safe asset" word for Bitcoin could be strange. In the end, Bitcoin is volatile and fiat money isn't. However, fiat money can always be manipulated easily or go down in value while an economic crisis. But there is no such thing that a government etc. can control Bitcoin. In an economic crisis, Bitcoin will be better choice compared to fiat money.

Volatile doesn't mean unsafe. Bitcoin has a history of sudden moves but these moves matter only for those who want immediate access to the money.

If you are thinking of storing value for a long time like people do in government bonds you don't need fast access and can ignore short-term crashes and pumps.

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September 18, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
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Globalization is turning the world so small and in this digital world, digital system is much more needed. big companies know what is benefited for them. That's why they are investing on bitcoin.

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