Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs

[ahmed_bodi]

okay, as painlessly as possible then.

[hilariousandco]

okay, as painlessly as possible then.

Haha, hard to say which is the most painless method, but I think it might actually be the bolt-gun as it apparently stuns/incapacitates the animal first, but it's not foolproof and can sometimes fail, but I imagine neither options are very pleasant for the animal involved.

[ahmed_bodi]

okay, as painlessly as possible then.

Haha, hard to say which is the most painless method, but I think it might actually be the bolt-gun as it apparently stuns/incapacitates the animal first, but it's not foolproof and can sometimes fail, but I imagine neither options are very pleasant for the animal involved.

very true +1

[Wilikon]

Fast food giant Subway has removed ham and bacon from almost 200 outlets, and switched to halal meat alternatives in an attempt to please its Muslim customers.

It has confirmed turkey ham and turkey rashers will be used instead in 185 of its stores, where all the meat will now be prepared according to halal rules.

The chain, which has around 1,500 outlets across the UK, explained its decision by saying it had to balance animal welfare concerns with ‘the views of religious communities’.

Traditional halal slaughter sees animals have their throats slit before bleeding to death. But Subway stressed that the meat served in its sandwiches would come from animals that have been stunned first, a practice that aims to reduce any suffering.

In Arabic the word halal means ‘permitted’ or ‘lawful’ and defines anything that is allowed or lawful according to the Qur’an.

It is often used to indicate food – particularly meat – has been prepared in accordance with Muslim principles and techniques.

Muslims are forbidden from eating any non-halal food and meat from pigs and Subway said customers can identify those stores selling halal food by the special ‘All meats are Halal’ sign, which must be displayed in participating branches.

In the halal-only branches ham and bacon has been substituted for turkey ham and rashers.

Many animal charities condemn halal slaughter as being cruel to animals.

Traditionally in halal abattoirs the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious – an act many campaigners say is inhumane and needlessly cruel.

In non-halal abattoirs, livestock are stunned before killing to prevent any unnecessary suffering.

Some halal butchers also practise pre-stunning, though it is not permitted by some Islamic scholars.

In Britain, killing an animal without prior stunning is illegal, but the law gives special exemption to Muslim and Jewish meat producers on the grounds of religion.

http://muslimvillage.com/2014/05/03/52945/uk-subway-ditches-pork-and-goes-halal-due-to-strong-demand-from-muslims/

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

[hilariousandco]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

[Wilikon]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

At least we know now which is the most painless method of killing an animal... 

[hilariousandco]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

At least we know now which is the most painless method of killing an animal... 

I think the most painless method would be not to kill it, or put it to sleep first, but that's probably not cost effective. But that's irrelevant, people really don't care about the pain an animal may or may not suffer, they just want a petty excuse to criticise Muslims / Halal butchery.

[Wilikon]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

At least we know now which is the most painless method of killing an animal... 

I think the most painless method would be not to kill it, or put it to sleep first, but that's probably not cost effective. But that's irrelevant, people really don't care about the pain an animal may or may not suffer, they just want a petty excuse to criticise Muslims / Halal butchery.

You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose.

So any petty excuses to criticize Muslim should be forbidden?

[LostDutchman]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

[Wilikon]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

[LostDutchman]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

Pardon me but you are nuttier than nine fruitcakes.

My $.02.

[Wilikon]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

Pardon me but you are nuttier than nine fruitcakes.

My $.02.

You maybe right about that. But the taste is all that counts to me. I don't really care how the sausage is made
https://i.imgur.com/w5z6HXE.jpg

[bryant.coleman]

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

Yuck! I don't know how people can eat dishes such as Black pudding and Blood sausage. If someone actually watches how these dished are being prepared, I bet he will never eat them. There is an even more disgusting dish from China, called blood tofu.

[LostDutchman]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

Pardon me but you are nuttier than nine fruitcakes.

My $.02.

You maybe right about that. But the taste is all that counts to me. I don't really care how the sausage is made
https://i.imgur.com/w5z6HXE.jpg

Just curious, are you a Muslim?

Just asking.

My $.02.

[hilariousandco]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

At least we know now which is the most painless method of killing an animal...  

I think the most painless method would be not to kill it, or put it to sleep first, but that's probably not cost effective. But that's irrelevant, people really don't care about the pain an animal may or may not suffer, they just want a petty excuse to criticise Muslims / Halal butchery.

You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose.

So any petty excuses to criticize Muslim should be forbidden?

The bolt gun method would seem to contradict this way. And no criticism should be 'forbidden', and you are free to criticise all you want, just as I am free to criticise the petty arguments of the people who attack Islam in such a way, especially when we all know what their true intent is.

[freedomno1]

For some reason the first time I read the title I thought it was a cooking thread
Read as Islamic law is adopted by British legal chefs
Then thought well I guess they are cooking Halal now and it must be a new trend
Then read the actual post and then a few posts and saw ah suggested lol

[Wilikon]

"You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose"

Primitive Bronze Age superstitions which have no place in the modern world.

My $.02.

.

It is not superstition, or only happening during the Bronze Age. At least you would do it with pigs for example. You grab it, have it up side down. Have a nice big bucket under the animal. All that time the pig would be screaming. Slash it's throat. The pig screams even more and you get all the blood in the bucket. After that you are ready for delicious blood pudding, fried blood, etc
You always need to let the animal bleed, no matter the animal.

Pardon me but you are nuttier than nine fruitcakes.

My $.02.

You maybe right about that. But the taste is all that counts to me. I don't really care how the sausage is made
https://i.imgur.com/w5z6HXE.jpg

Just curious, are you a Muslim?

Just asking.

My $.02.

I am not. I like my bacon too much.

[Wilikon]

For some reason the first time I read the title I thought it was a cooking thread
Read as Islamic law is adopted by British legal chefs
Then thought well I guess they are cooking Halal now and it must be a new trend
Then read the actual post and then a few posts and saw ah suggested lol

LOL. Is Subway a restaurant? Then maybe you would be right 

[Wilikon]

^^^ This is exactly the problem. Muslims are not even 5% of the population in UK. Now the remaining 95% of the population is unable to eat pork due to unfair demands from Muslims. This will open a can of worms. Next the Hindus will demand to ban beef. After that the Yazidis will demand to ban lettuce.. this will never stop.

Listen to what you're saying. It's not going to happen where 95% of the population is unable to eat pork. You're just being ridiculous. Subway as a company is free to make whatever business decisions it wants and it's probably not even due to 'demmands' from muslims. Maybe the Muslim demand for halal meat though. They've removed the products from 200 out of the 1500 restaurants in the UK and probably just from ones that are in areas that have a high Muslim population. It doesn't effect you in the slightest.

At least we know now which is the most painless method of killing an animal...  

I think the most painless method would be not to kill it, or put it to sleep first, but that's probably not cost effective. But that's irrelevant, people really don't care about the pain an animal may or may not suffer, they just want a petty excuse to criticise Muslims / Halal butchery.

You need the heart to be pumping hard so the blood gets out of the animal's body faster. You need the animal to be alive and aware of its fate. To put it to sleep first would defeat that purpose.

So any petty excuses to criticize Muslim should be forbidden?

The bolt gun method would seem to contradict this way. And no criticism should be 'forbidden', and you are free to criticise all you want, just as I am free to criticise the petty arguments of the people who attack Islam in such a way, especially when we all know what their true intent is.

What I was describing was the logic behind this method, why it was maybe used in the past and kept being used until now, not just for the Bronze Age. Bolt gun or traditional islamic way of killing, both are using gravity to let the blood leave all the way as meat of any kind is not consumed with the blood still in the vessels.