Why our gambling service thread moved to token section?

[JustBet]

Here is the thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276693.msg55218181#msg55218181


This is a clearly gambling service includes a token but we are promoting the service not the token. Why it is moved to token board?

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[Upgrade00]

Your ANN thread was promoting more than a gambling platform, and includes the road map of the token as well as information on staking and trading.

It also does not use Bitcoin and is run on an altcoin chain;

Users are able to mint WINR tokens as they play on the JustBet platform. WINR tokens are generated (minted) by Proof of Wagering.

Unfortunately you cant play with BTC on the platform at the moment because everything works on Tron Chain. You can play with TRX and USDT(TRC20).

These could be the reason it was moved, but you can wait for a more accurate response from a mod/staff

[JustBet]

Your ANN thread was promoting more than a gambling platform, and includes the road map of the token as well as information on staking and trading.

It also does not use Bitcoin and is run on an altcoin chain;

Users are able to mint WINR tokens as they play on the JustBet platform. WINR tokens are generated (minted) by Proof of Wagering.

Unfortunately you cant play with BTC on the platform at the moment because everything works on Tron Chain. You can play with TRX and USDT(TRC20).

These could be the reason it was moved, but you can wait for a more accurate response from a mod/staff

Yeah there is a roadmap but for the platform not for the token. Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.  That would be illogical because it is on Tron chain.

Bitcoin means blockchain/decentralization and we did JustBet for decentralization and we don't deserve to be promoted on gambling section?

[Little Mouse]

I think you can have another ANN for gambling side (only) and keep the current one on altcoin token announcement. There are some other projects which also have altcoin impleneted but they have BTC too as far as I can remember. Create an ANN which serves the purpose of gambling only and post that in gambling section. I think yyou will be good to go.

[Upgrade00]

Yeah there is a roadmap but for the platform not for the token. Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.  That would be illogical because it is on Tron chain.

• An initial exchange offering and partnership with a trading platform is part of the roadmap. Gambling seems to be the major part of the platform, but you're promoting the entire platform.
• Yes, there is no specific rule limiting gambling projects to Bitcoin. But one which is exclusively run on an altcoin chain may be more fitting in the altcoins section.

we don't deserve to be promoted on gambling section?

All gambling projects can be promoted on the gambling section. Your ANN thread was likely reported and the mods agreed that it wasn't exclusively a gambling platform.

[JustBet]

Yeah there is a roadmap but for the platform not for the token. Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.  That would be illogical because it is on Tron chain.

• An initial exchange offering and partnership with a trading platform is part of the roadmap. Gambling seems to be the major part of the platform, but you're promoting the entire platform.
• Yes, there is no specific rule limiting gambling projects to Bitcoin. But one which is exclusively run on an altcoin chain may be more fitting in the altcoins section.

we don't deserve to be promoted on gambling section?

All gambling projects can be promoted on the gambling section. Your ANN thread was likely reported and the mods agreed that it wasn't exclusively a gambling platform.

Maybe we need a new ANN thread just for the platform. Thanks

[YOSHIE]

Your gambling site is like a hodgepodge, you mix tokens, gambling, sales, exchanges and so on, examples:

Token Supply

Maybe a mod, a little confused with your site, that's why it's moved, everything is included in your site's category like: coinmarketcap.

As far as I know gambling sites are not like your current gambling site, OP what is a gambling site in 2020, a new model.
If the mod moves your site to the Altcoin board, it's your own fault mixing up like a mixed vegetable.


You have to separate the gambling site with tokens / coins, share the two boards.
1. Gambling.
2. Altcoin announcement.

[LoyceV]

Your ANN thread was promoting more than a gambling platform, and includes the road map of the token as well as information on staking and trading.

I quickly read the topic, and it sounds like the same level of mumbo jumbo I remember from the ICO peak. So it fits right into the Altcoin Token board.

incentive-driven to encourage long-term engagement and customer loyalty.

That's called gambling addiction.

users simultaneously and automatically mine WINR tokens!

I don't think you can call that "mining".

anyone and everyone can examine and audit JustBet’s fairness

Most people can't do this.

JustBet games are built using the minimum public house edge

You forgot to mention how much it is.

[mprep]

As some users have already pointed out, the main boards (that being any board not in the "Alternate cryptocurrencies" section) are meant for Bitcoin-related discussions. You yourself already mentioned that your service doesn't accept Bitcoin + promotes a service-specific altcoin token:

<...> gambling service includes a token <...>

<...> it is on Tron chain.

Which is the reason why it was moved to Tokens (Altcoins).

Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.

You say that but have you actually read them? From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

14. All altcoin related discussion belongs in the Alternate cryptocurrencies and it's child boards. [3][4][e]

[JustBet]

As some users have already pointed out, the main boards (that being any board not in the "Alternate cryptocurrencies" section) are meant for Bitcoin-related discussions. You yourself already mentioned that your service doesn't accept Bitcoin + promotes a service-specific altcoin token:

<...> gambling service includes a token <...>

<...> it is on Tron chain.

Which is the reason why it was moved to Tokens (Altcoins).

Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.

You say that but have you actually read them? From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

14. All altcoin related discussion belongs in the Alternate cryptocurrencies and it's child boards. [3][4][e]

I read you but still don't understand. There is no rule on gambling section. There are only 2 rules

One thread per site ONLY
Giveaways/promos/etc do not belong in this forum!

As you see only 2 rules. Moderators don't have rights to move my thread to another section. JustBet is a gambling platform.

[LoyceV]

There is no rule on gambling section.

Rules don't get repeated on every board, the Unofficial rules are valid on all boards.

Moderators don't have rights to move my thread to another section.

Lol.

[JustBet]

There is no rule on gambling section.

Rules don't get repeated on avery board, the Unofficial rules are valid on all boards.

Moderators don't have rights to move my thread to another section.

Lol.

Ok tell me which rules?

[mu_enrico]

^Good old rules that everyone (should) knows.
As long as you accept betting with Bitcoin, your thread can be in the gambling section, but if you don't, the place would be in the altcoin section.

[JustBet]

^Good old rules that everyone (should) knows.
As long as you accept betting with Bitcoin, your thread can be in the gambling section, but if you don't, the place would be in the altcoin section.

There is no rule on the gambling section as you said.

[LoyceV]

There is no rule on gambling section.

Rules don't get repeated on every board, the Unofficial rules are valid on all boards.

Ok tell me which rules?

May I suggest reading this topic again?

Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.

You say that but have you actually read them? From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

14. All altcoin related discussion belongs in the Alternate cryptocurrencies and it's child boards. [3][4][e]

[JustBet]

There is no rule on gambling section.

Rules don't get repeated on avery board, the Unofficial rules are valid on all boards.

Ok tell me which rules?

May I suggest reading this topic again?

Second, there is no rule that accepting bitcoin is mandatory.

You say that but have you actually read them? From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

14. All altcoin related discussion belongs in the Alternate cryptocurrencies and it's child boards. [3][4][e]

Come on LoyceV you still don't get it. We are not talking about a token here. We are talking about a gambling platform. Just.bet  go check it and go check the thread. You seem smart you can understand easily.

It seems an arbitrary treatment. Clearly.

[mu_enrico]

C'mon man, it's implied and doesn't have to be written in the way you like/understand.
There are many gambling platforms that offer tokens such as EOSBet/EarnBet, GooseBet, etc., and they smart enough to accept betting with Bitcoin.
Why don't you do it instead of complaining?

[JustBet]

C'mon man, it's implied and doesn't have to be written in the way you like/understand.
There are many gambling platforms that offer tokens such as EOSBet/EarnBet, GooseBet, etc., and they smart enough to accept betting with Bitcoin.
Why don't you do it instead of complaining?

JustBet is a baby. Of course we will add more payment option in the near future. But still this doesn't mean we cannot publish our thread on that gambling board. You are all being so emotional as it is very clear there is no rule and there is no reason to move our thread. It is clearly that mods abusing the system. That's all thanks.

[LoyceV]

this doesn't mean we cannot publish our thread on that gambling board. You are all being so emotional as it is very clear there is no rule and there is no reason to move our thread. It is clearly that mods abusing the system.

Quoting for reference.

[mprep]

I read you but still don't understand. There is no rule on gambling section. There are only 2 rules

One thread per site ONLY
Giveaways/promos/etc do not belong in this forum!

As you see only 2 rules. Moderators don't have rights to move my thread to another section. JustBet is a gambling platform.

What you've quoted are stickied threads. Stickied threads may denote certain rules (especially those that are often overlooked), but they don't list out all the rules. If, for a thought exercise, we were to be incredibly pedantic / de jure about it, AFAIK there is no single official definitive source of rules written down anywhere. This is intentional but doesn't mean that there are no rules. To quote a post from Bitcointalk's head admin, theymos:

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But I don't believe in having a set of hard rules which is to be applied to all cases. Whenever an argument starts looking like it was written by a lawyer, or relying overmuch on precedent, you've stopped thinking about the real case and have started using rules to retreat into moral and intellectual laziness, divorcing yourself from the decision you're about to make. If you're making a decision about a case, then you're responsible for that case, and you can't say, "I don't agree with it, but I was just enforcing the rules." Every case needs to be handled individually.

So if a moderator decided to move your thread and the head admin, theymos, doesn't oppose it (or even supports that decision), the moderator in question very much has the "rights to move" your thread wherever. In reality though, there are certain rules and common practices to which all moderators adhere to (with some wiggle room for autonomous interpretation from the moderator's side as well as for exceptions to be made when theymos feels like it's warranted).

While I did previously mention that there is "no single official definitive source of rules written down anywhere", there are unofficial efforts to compile these (often unwritten) rules and common practices into a single source. One of these projects is the "Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ", which is a personal project of mine. The rule I've quoted in my previous post is from this thread. Links and translations of the thread are stickied across quite a few Bitcointalk boards so while it might contain inaccuracies, quite a few moderators have felt that it's accurate enough to be highlighted to new users that stumble upon the boards they moderate.

However, if you still feel like your topic was unfairly moved to a different board and that it does, indeed, belong in Gambling (either according to the often unwritten rules and common practices or due to this thread warranting an exception), you're free to appeal that decision by PMing Bitcointalk's head admin, theymos.