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September 22, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
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JustBet is a baby.
It is clearly that mods abusing the system.
What you are saying is very false and selfish.

You should obey the rules in this forum.
Rules for you, separate gambling with Altcoin.

Gambling discussion (child board of Gambling) - "Discussion of sports games and other gambling-related topics which are separate from games and services themselves. ".

The second rule for you, create a topic in accordance with the direction of the forum.

Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401897.0
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Please do not post about altcoins in these boards, instead use the sub forums located here instead.

thank you.

EDIT: Cloud mining is considered a service and discussion goes here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0

You want to run a gambling site, your reputation must be properly maintained here and can be trusted by others.
Than arguing that is uncertain and you don't understand.

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September 22, 2020, 11:10:04 AM
Last edit: September 22, 2020, 11:33:20 AM by mprep
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I read you but still don't understand. There is no rule on gambling section. There are only 2 rules

One thread per site ONLY
Giveaways/promos/etc do not belong in this forum!

As you see only 2 rules. Moderators don't have rights to move my thread to another section. JustBet is a gambling platform.
What you've quoted are stickied threads. Stickied threads may denote certain rules (especially those that are often overlooked), but they don't list out all the rules. If, for a thought exercise, we were to be incredibly pedantic / de jure about it, AFAIK there is no single official definitive source of rules written down anywhere. This is intentional but doesn't mean that there are no rules. To quote a post from Bitcointalk's head admin, theymos:

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But I don't believe in having a set of hard rules which is to be applied to all cases. Whenever an argument starts looking like it was written by a lawyer, or relying overmuch on precedent, you've stopped thinking about the real case and have started using rules to retreat into moral and intellectual laziness, divorcing yourself from the decision you're about to make. If you're making a decision about a case, then you're responsible for that case, and you can't say, "I don't agree with it, but I was just enforcing the rules." Every case needs to be handled individually.

So if a moderator decided to move your thread and the head admin, theymos, doesn't oppose it (or even supports that decision), the moderator in question very much has the "rights to move" your thread wherever. In reality though, there are certain rules and common practices to which all moderators adhere to (with some wiggle room for autonomous interpretation from the moderator's side as well as for exceptions to be made when theymos feels like it's warranted).

While I did previously mention that there is "no single official definitive source of rules written down anywhere", there are unofficial efforts to compile these (often unwritten) rules and common practices into a single source. One of these projects is the "Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ", which is a personal project of mine. The rule I've quoted in my previous post is from this thread. Links and translations of the thread are stickied across quite a few Bitcointalk boards so while it might contain inaccuracies, quite a few moderators have felt that it's accurate enough to be highlighted to new users that stumble upon the boards they moderate.

However, if you still feel like your topic was unfairly moved to a different board and that it does, indeed, belong in Gambling (either according to the often unwritten rules and common practices or due to this thread warranting an exception), you're free to appeal that decision by PMing Bitcointalk's head admin, theymos.


Thanks for your time to explain detailly. But I still have some concerns. As you explain there are unofficial efforts to compile these rules but How do I know these unofficial rules as a new member of the forum? At least mods should have warned us about that and we modify our thread. This is not nice we are waking up to a surprise.




You want to run a gambling site, your reputation must be properly maintained here and can be trusted by others.
Than arguing that is uncertain and you don't understand.

It is obvious you never checked what JustBet is. JustBet is a fully decentralized platform that doesnt need any reputition or trust.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

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September 22, 2020, 11:43:10 AM
Last edit: September 22, 2020, 11:56:16 AM by mprep
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Thanks for your time to explain detailly. But I still have some concerns. As you explain there are unofficial efforts to compile these rules but How do I know these unofficial rules as a new member of the forum? At least mods should have warned us about that and we modify our thread. This is not nice we are waking up to a surprise.
If you aren't aware of how Bitcointalk and its community functions before joining, AFAIK lurking is pretty much the only effective way to acquaint yourself with the forum's rules. In the context of an online forum, lurking is the practice of spending some time (e.g. several months or at least several weeks) casually (on and off) reading through a variety of topics and posts all around the forum. As you do so, whenever you encounter something unfamiliar (e.g. terminology, references to community culture, rules, etc.), you can familiarize with it through a bit of research (either via the forum's integrated search feature or via your preferred search engine). Rinse and repeat until you feel like you have a strong grasp on the community's rules and culture.

In terms of user friendliness, I can definitely agree that it's very much sub-optimal. However, to quote an older post of mine:

<...> a lot of informational / educational work is being done by the community, instead of the head administrator, theymos. This is both intentional (lack of a concrete list of rules) and unintentional (lack of newbie-friendly info on how the forum functions), in different regards. theymos has mentioned a bunch of ideas on how to ease new users into the forum though AFAIK he hasn't rolled out anything major in that regard. Maybe he's working on it right now or maybe he's saving the effort for the new forum software - don't really know.

So if you want anything done in regards to newbie-friendly info on how the forum functions, you're going to have to petition the head admin, theymos. Even if you manage to convince him that your changes are necessary and in line with the aforementioned ideals, you might have to wait till the new forum software (the currently in development forum software suite) replaces the heavily modified SMF 1.x the forum currently runs on.

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September 22, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
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C'mon man, it's implied and doesn't have to be written in the way you like/understand.
There are many gambling platforms that offer tokens such as EOSBet/EarnBet, GooseBet, etc., and they smart enough to accept betting with Bitcoin.
Why don't you do it instead of complaining?


JustBet is a baby. Of course we will add more payment option in the near future. But still this doesn't mean we cannot publish our thread on that gambling board. You are all being so emotional as it is very clear there is no rule and there is no reason to move our thread. It is clearly that mods abusing the system. That's all thanks.



Basically this is bitcointalk forum but admin gave freedom to discuss about altcoins as well but you can't expect the non altcoins platform to be in the main boards.What is wrong with adding bitcoin as your payment mode?

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September 23, 2020, 04:16:05 AM
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......What is wrong with adding bitcoin as your payment mode?
It's a decentralized gambling platform on Tron as JustBet said. It will probably take more time to add another payment option from another blockchain like Bitcoin. Blockchain interoperability or cross-chain payment isn't that fast to build and implement I suppose.

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September 23, 2020, 06:34:16 PM
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How do I know these unofficial rules as a new member of the forum? At least mods should have warned us about that and we modify our thread.
You can't modify your thread and make it fit for the gambling section if your platform doesn't accept Bitcoin. Think about adding Bitcoin as a payment option and give it another try in the gambling section.

I do agree with you that the rules are not clearly stated in the gambling sub-forum, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Go to Meta and you will find them there. If you read Newbies - Read before posting in the Beginners & Help section, there is also a link to the forum rules there.   

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