UK’s economy will lose a good amount of money if football clubs shut.

[harizen]

Furthermore if no middle ground can be reached and clubs are forced to shut down then it’ll definitely harm UK’s economy, because so many people will loose their jobs in an instant, and government will also lose the taxes that it would have normally gained from those clubs, hence it’s important that they find a middle ground soon.

Should be expected from way back the first phase of the pandemic so why concerns like that just raised?

There should be proper plans that were discussed already on the table for a scenario like that. After all, people themselves don't like to take the risk so even there's less restriction, they will hesitate to watch live.

They can consider following what other countries do for a slow return. At least, they can make revenues instead considering a total shutdown.

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[Febo]

Next summer will be packed with sport. I believe a leagues in any sports will try to start as late as possible. Then we will also have Olympic games in Tokio. A lot bi events got pushed forward because of situation this summer. I think all leagues should make it as simple as possible. Reduce number of games to bare minimum. Reduce costs that way, since will not be that much income. I am also surprised that cubs still have money. I was expecting that contracts value would decrease a lot.

[7788bitcoin]

UK government’s decision to scrap the plans that would allow fans to be back in the stadium post October 1st, has forced the football clubs to claim that if fans continue to remain absent then they could be forced to shut down their clubs.

The smaller clubs are the ones that are struggling as their main source of revenue was the audience, they do not have the major advertising revenues like the big clubs and i have heard that many clubs are really struggling to survive if the situation does not improve. Not sure whether the big football clubs are struggling but they are loosing a big chunk of money and it is a situation globally with other sports too.

[justdimin]

I understand that we are talking about billions of dollars worth of income but if you think that UK economy relies on football to continue you are incredibly wrong. They are a nation that has investments all around the world, even if the whole nation stands down and not work for a month the nation itself will have some income (even if individuals won't) because their companies have places in other nations which will make a profit and send to UK which will be taxed.

Obviously that will not happen, as long as there are no fans on stands I believe football can continue, look at NBA for example, they literally put teams in a bubble and just kept them there, UK has a lot less covid infected so all they would have to do would be cover one stadium and couple hotels around it and do not let alone get out or do not let anyone in and they can do a whole season in couple months at max.

[wack slacker]

The best way is still to stop the translation completely before reopening football matches. Trading people's health for economic activity is a bad idea. Brazil has paid the price for disregarding the disease to continue its economic growth.
The vaccine will not be enough for everyone, so be careful. Wise fighting disease and slowing economic growth is the long-term way to sustain society.

[Chrystora123]

they no longer need to close football matches because they can still be done without spectators..

The best way is still to stop the translation completely before reopening football matches. Trading people's health for economic activity is a bad idea. Brazil has paid the price for disregarding the disease to continue its economic growth.
The vaccine will not be enough for everyone, so be careful. Wise fighting disease and slowing economic growth is the long-term way to sustain society.

It is not easy for a head of state to make decisions in the middle of this "PANDEMIC", every policy that is taken must have a big risk.  Brazil, India, and the US are the 3 countries with the largest number of positive patients in the world today, this happens not because the government does not make strict rules but the lifestyle of their people who are too not following the rules that makes sufferers increase every day..

[hulla]

Thats understood er since the ease of lockdown, people are allow to go to barber shop, restaurants, place of worship etc thats should also happen in the sports scheme either so that the clubs, the people involved will also make more income and also get inspire by the fans.
It will be good if the UK government come to a good conclusion.

The fullest capacity of a well patronize barbing saloon is not greater than 30, not using numbers a barbing saloon, gym house, capacity or people in it can't match that of a football stadium which can be in an excess of seventy thousand people.
Restaurant, eatry and relaxation centers are not fully opened and there is still limitations of possible people, some has no chairs, customers can only buy take always because of the corona virus.
 Football stadium reopening is in the level of schools reopening it not rushed, if rush can spark another wave of corona virus.

I understand that. The last time i check restaurant and relaxation center are fully opened but are giving some certain rules and restrictions of practising good hygiene which will curb the spread of the virus. However, I believe the UK football clubs only want the government to allow the reopening of 1/4 of the stadium capacity not all.
 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There has to be some middle ground as you say, OP.  Believe me, I get how important sports are and the problems it would create if football clubs shut down--and I don't think a shutdown is necessary, IMO.  I think the dangers of COVID-19 have been blown so out of proportion that shit like this is even becoming an issue.

How about attendees sign waivers holding the venue blameless for cases of COVID-19 arising in the proper time period after the matches?  Mandatory masks.  Hand sanitizer everywhere--you can't eliminate the risk of infection entirely, but you can reduce it significantly, that's for damn sure.  It really sounds like the UK in this case is being overcautious IMO. 

People need to go out into the world and live, enjoy a football game.  Doesn't matter if there's a risk of contracting an infectious disease or not. 

[South Park]

UK government’s decision to scrap the plans that would allow fans to be back in the stadium post October 1st, has forced the football clubs to claim that if fans continue to remain absent then they could be forced to shut down their clubs.

Furthermore if no middle ground can be reached and clubs are forced to shut down then it’ll definitely harm UK’s economy, because so many people will loose their jobs in an instant, and government will also lose the taxes that it would have normally gained from those clubs, hence it’s important that they find a middle ground soon.

Lastly it’s a debatable question but is the UK government right as they’re considering people’s safety first due to the sudden increase in covid cases, or are the clubs right who're fearing for their finances, and not bothering about covid spreading if fans are allowed back?.

This should be relatively easy to solve if both parties come to an agreement, I do not see what could be the problem of allowing 25% to 33% of their total capacity and all the people were reminded to follow the necessary protocols to ensure their safety and the safety of others, however I think that clubs also need to sit down with their players and try to talk them into taking a pay cut until things go back to normal otherwise if many of those clubs close their doors they will be left with no job and no pay as well.

[AmoreJaz]

There has to be some middle ground as you say, OP.  Believe me, I get how important sports are and the problems it would create if football clubs shut down--and I don't think a shutdown is necessary, IMO.  I think the dangers of COVID-19 have been blown so out of proportion that shit like this is even becoming an issue.

How about attendees sign waivers holding the venue blameless for cases of COVID-19 arising in the proper time period after the matches?  Mandatory masks.  Hand sanitizer everywhere--you can't eliminate the risk of infection entirely, but you can reduce it significantly, that's for damn sure.  It really sounds like the UK in this case is being overcautious IMO. 

People need to go out into the world and live, enjoy a football game.  Doesn't matter if there's a risk of contracting an infectious disease or not. 

they need to settle halfway and yes, talk about this situation. we are not talking only about the pay cut but the life of people here. so these football clubs should understand our situation. it is not only them that are suffering but it is a global pandemic.
 this pandemic is not forever, maybe wait another half a year for the vaccine to be commercially available and enjoy again the freedom of being outside.
i dont think these clubs will shut down, they will only lose if they do so.

[panganib999]

That would certainly be a great problem for there is still presence of coronavirus up until this time at every edge of world not just in UK. Social gatherings are still postponed or not allowed to be held right now to prevent the spread of the virus for if it will be allowed, potential spread might happen and it can might as well make the scenario worst and all of quarantine and lockdowns being held for months already will be make no sense anymore. Yes, it is duly understandable that the economy of each and every country like UK is affected most specially UK for football become a big part of their economy and it is affected also by the pandemic. Maybe it will be managed to state into the people to allow live audience presence on the stadium but with limited capacity of 30 to 50 percent to ensure social distancing and strict observance of health protocols to make things work.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

they no longer need to close football matches because they can still be done without spectators..

What about small clubs that get their revenue from ticket sales, you need revenue to flow in to continue with the tournament and if these clubs are not getting the revenues in the form of advertisement then they will cease to exist and hence it is a growing problem for many smaller clubs around the world, unless they find an alternative solution to get that money they will be forced to shut down.

[STT]

Tourism is a valid industry that equates to a form of export but I think the majority of attendance for games is down to local money spent, so I dont see it can be qualified as vital industry.   Its very understandable that clubs especially the smaller ones do require this revenue but the OP argument was for the entire economy which I would have to disagree with.   Its a service industry which does not facilitate other trade, it cant be worth risking lives and raising infection rates which would then cause industry problems elsewhere.  Unfortunately this is one part of the UK which might have to be put on pause till a vaccine is effective.   I hope some clever alternative is found as I think technology could be utilised better then it has been.

[rodskee]

Lastly it’s a debatable question but is the UK government right as they’re considering people’s safety first due to the sudden increase in covid cases, or are the clubs right who're fearing for their finances, and not bothering about covid spreading if fans are allowed back?.

In my opinion the British government is doing very well. they just wanted to protect their people from the covid virus, and banning crowded congregations could push the UK back faster and from there the economy would grow again soon.
This is only a temporary decision, and football is already the king of sport. It won't be easy to crash forever. Therefore, I highly appreciate this action by the British government.

actually its been happening in most countries specially asian countries that has still Physical distancing now.
Churches are still not allowed to conduct masses physically,gatherings are required only by 10 persons below.
Gambling places still closed and many establishments still not operating.
this must be followed for us to fight and end the virus.
so the operation will be back in normal again for our own good of course.

[bitgolden]

I feel like having certain games without viewers and having some games with viewers would be unfair to teams. Maybe you had such a hard road game series that all happened without any viewers so you got some advantage but the other team had very easy home games without viewers but will have road games with viewers? That would be disadvantage. I would say if you made few weeks without viewers, at that point you should allow the whole league to be without fans on stadiums whole season.

Moreover, the covid situation is such a hard place right now, considering adding few fans with spread out could result with horrible stuff. I like to watch FA cup and low non-league levels and I have seen fans there who celebrated with the players, that is as dangerous as it could get.

[NavI_027]

Their government should weigh things precisely because sports industry, particularly football, is a huge industry in the European region. Significant amount of tax will get lost if they continue imposing strict safety protocols. But on the other hand, chances to have faster rate of infection may happen when they take things lighter. So what's the best option right now?

IMO, they should go for the first one because as far as I'm concern our country did the latter one which resulted to worse. Yeah! We are now more free to go outside but at what cost — we got the highest number of cases in SEA. Tsk . Other countries must learn from such experience. On that note, football organizations can do PPV to ease their financial burden instead of shutting down since health issues can't be compromised.

[Dorodha]

When football clubs close the UK economy will go down a lot because there is more to improve the economy than other industries through the organization of these clubs. Shops factories and construction were ordered to close in the UK to prevent the spread of coronavirus. In such a situation the country's economy came to a standstill. But the biggest economic collapse has been due to the closure of clubs. after the opening of the clubs the economy has become active again.

[worldofcoins]

UK government’s decision to scrap the plans that would allow fans to be back in the stadium post October 1st, has forced the football clubs to claim that if fans continue to remain absent then they could be forced to shut down their clubs.

Furthermore if no middle ground can be reached and clubs are forced to shut down then it’ll definitely harm UK’s economy, because so many people will loose their jobs in an instant, and government will also lose the taxes that it would have normally gained from those clubs, hence it’s important that they find a middle ground soon.

Lastly it’s a debatable question but is the UK government right as they’re considering people’s safety first due to the sudden increase in covid cases, or are the clubs right who're fearing for their finances, and not bothering about covid spreading if fans are allowed back?.

This should be relatively easy to solve if both parties come to an agreement, I do not see what could be the problem of allowing 25% to 33% of their total capacity and all the people were reminded to follow the necessary protocols to ensure their safety and the safety of others, however I think that clubs also need to sit down with their players and try to talk them into taking a pay cut until things go back to normal otherwise if many of those clubs close their doors they will be left with no job and no pay as well.

I figure we ought not to stress over it, all that will be impermanent.
Not in the UK yet this choice is taking by the whole world's government.
All they're doing protecting their peoples from an infection.
We need to look positive side as well and support the government by sitting home.
There are some other sports games too we can watch them and the governments can gather charges from there as well

[wack slacker]

they no longer need to close football matches because they can still be done without spectators..

The matches are still organized and without the audience is boring. Regular sales mostly come from soccer ticket sales that are not TV copyrights because the media have bought the rights for many years.

It is not easy for a head of state to make decisions in the middle of this "PANDEMIC", every policy that is taken must have a big risk.  Brazil, India, and the US are the 3 countries with the largest number of positive patients in the world today, this happens not because the government does not make strict rules but the lifestyle of their people who are too not following the rules that makes sufferers increase every day..

People do not follow pandemic preventive measures partly because of their habits and partly by the government.
Asian countries can do that, why can't they do it? They need more communication and effort in disease prevention activities.

[Taskford]

UK government’s decision to scrap the plans that would allow fans to be back in the stadium post October 1st, has forced the football clubs to claim that if fans continue to remain absent then they could be forced to shut down their clubs.

Furthermore if no middle ground can be reached and clubs are forced to shut down then it’ll definitely harm UK’s economy, because so many people will loose their jobs in an instant, and government will also lose the taxes that it would have normally gained from those clubs, hence it’s important that they find a middle ground soon.

Lastly it’s a debatable question but is the UK government right as they’re considering people’s safety first due to the sudden increase in covid cases, or are the clubs right who're fearing for their finances, and not bothering about covid spreading if fans are allowed back?.

This should be relatively easy to solve if both parties come to an agreement, I do not see what could be the problem of allowing 25% to 33% of their total capacity and all the people were reminded to follow the necessary protocols to ensure their safety and the safety of others, however I think that clubs also need to sit down with their players and try to talk them into taking a pay cut until things go back to normal otherwise if many of those clubs close their doors they will be left with no job and no pay as well.

I figure we ought not to stress over it, all that will be impermanent.
Not in the UK yet this choice is taking by the whole world's government.
All they're doing protecting their peoples from an infection.
We need to look positive side as well and support the government by sitting home.
There are some other sports games too we can watch them and the governments can gather charges from there as well

It's just government doesn't have a choice since there's a pandemic happening and the only solution for this os to have a vaccine, and if until next year there's no successful vaccine will be created for sure the global economy will suffer to much on this, Although football gives huge revenue but its really a must to protect the health first and this type of sport is not the only affected but all what you can see in national tv or shall we say all, But everything  will be back on shape once the vaccine will officially released and hopefully it will happen soon.