US Presidential Election: Trump Will Not Commit to Peaceful Transfer of Power

[JollyGood]

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."


It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

[Juggy777]

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."


It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.

Also if he were to loose the elections then too he can use his power to appoint a judge till January 2021, so he can appoint the judge post the election results too, and then use the court to reverse the election results, and I know it’s easy to say this and it’s difficult to execute it, but my gut feeling says that this is what he plans to do.

Sources:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-ruth-bader-ginsburgs-death-could-mean-for-2020-and-the-supreme-court/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/18/ruth-bader-ginsburg-supreme-court-faq-explainer
 

[Charles-Tim]

It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.

[Spendulus]

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden....

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

[JollyGood]

It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.

@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.

[merchantofzeny]

As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning.

[Natsuu]

BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."


It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

Supreme court rules higher than the executives. and that is given at many points, so our common sense will dictate that, "YES, they will remain unbiased" but for what is happening, there will only be 2 scenarios that we can expect. The court leans toward Biden, or trump, no in-between. The emotional state of America has gone really high, and this was cause by all the ruckus and pandemic happening around it.

It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.

Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.

[squatz1]

Sigh.

This really is just not something you want to say. Like shit you can THINK this sort of thing as Trump (I don't agree with it obviously) but you don't say it out loud. Does the Trump campaign team know that Biden is going to use this as a campaign ad now?

Shit you don't even need to sit down and piece together stuff that Trump has done with graphics and such. LITERALLY JUST PLAY HIM SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER TO DEM VOTERS. This'll easily improve voter turnout among them.

Crazy.

[JollyGood]

Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate otherwise both Trump and Biden will dispute the results. This looks like it will get very messy.

If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.

[Spendulus]

Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate ...

I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...

[JollyGood]

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.

As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning.

You seem sure he will win. I am not as sure as you but I think the way things are going in US politics and media it would not be a surprise if Trump was re-elected.

Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.

I would say that whether Trump or Biden win it must be an emphatic or resounding victory otherwise the loser will take it to Court based on mail voting irregularities.

I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...

Biden seems unelectable to me because it seems like age has caught up with him and his running mate Harris does not seem to have connected at all with voters on the basis of her being female and/or being a person of colour. This could be a massive victory from Trump but a lot of the reason for his win could simply go down to Democrats selecting the wrong candidate. Even Trump said not long ago that he was not concerned about defeating Biden but he would have a more formidable opponent in Sanders and I think the Democrats just might have handed Trump his re-election by having Biden as their candidate.

[Spendulus]

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?

I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.
...

Okay, I'll list the quote and make my point. I apologize if its obvious.

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. .

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

Really, the question is the disaster. Does it imply that Trump should commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he wins? If the election appears a "draw" and goes into litigation?

My opinion is his answer was straightforward given the ambiguity in the question. So then you get headlines that Trump will not commit to a peaceful transfer of power...

[PrimeNumber7]

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

[JollyGood]

I absolutely agree with you, Biden and Harris were a terrible choice.

I think it is fairly obvious the anti-Trump protest vote will not be enough to get him out of office because the Democrats should have had a suitable candidate and running mate to pile the pressure on Trump. Unless something changes it seems Trump will be re-elected.

Look at what Michael Moore said about Trump going to win re-election, it all seems to be playing out in his favour: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning

Biden and Harris was a terrible choice. Better would have been a relatively unknown governor, non-commie non-socialist, with few negatives in the closet. But the primaries went the wrong way.

[Spendulus]

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

[Smartvirus]

It's 41 days to the polls as you rightly said and that was rather a controversial question from the journalist which demands for a controversial answer as well of which, president Trump probably delivered.
In accepting that there would be a peaceful transfer of power could simply be him accepting that, he's lost the forth coming election which I don't believe any contestant with a vision would love to admit to himself with time still on the clock. It discourages your voter to a large extent.
He's answer of a continuation is simply assuring in himself and he's voters that's there would be a second tenor with him on seat and probably a way to win himself over some voters and ensure his antagonist if I may borrow that term plays fair in the polls to avoid court cases.
Surely if he looses, he would be left without a choice than to hand over peacefully.

[JollyGood]

I agree, Trump was very inarticulate... regularly.

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

[Spendulus]

I agree, Trump was very inarticulate... regularly.

This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".

Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.

He's also publicly stated he's not trying and not intending to be politically correct.

So what do you think? Should we require a POTUS candidate to be politically correct? Should we require him to use 50 pronouns? Raise his arm to salute Black Lives Matter?

[JollyGood]

I think it goes without say any US President should be morally correct regardless of whether he/she is politically correct or not. As for any merits a President might have as a result of having a particular type of dialect or a certain standard of the English language with a certain grasp of verbs, nouns or pronouns - none of it matters.

Whether it is BLM or any other group or umbrella group, personally I would not take a knee or raise an arm to support any type of movement no matter how much I stood by them or stood against them. I would not feel the need to do that just to show my support or opposition to any movement therefore I would not expect the President to do it.

He's also publicly stated he's not trying and not intending to be politically correct.

So what do you think? Should we require a POTUS candidate to be politically correct? Should we require him to use 50 pronouns? Raise his arm to salute Black Lives Matter?

[Gyfts]

Hillary Clinton also said to Joe Biden that under no circumstances should he concede the election. Biden has also hired a mega team of lawyers that will absolutely file a lawsuit on election day to keep counting mail in ballots if he isn't determined the clear and obvious winner.

We're not going to know who the winner is on election day if the polls continue to tighten up so litigation is what's going to end up happening. Also, let's not act like in 2016 it wasn't liberals sending death threats to state electors to force them to be faithless and pledge their vote for Clinton when she lost.